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comtedumas #1 Posted 04 April 2018 - 05:44 PM

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so, I just got the 262, and got the airframe first to get the 4 30mms.  But it seems to be underwhelming at this point.  Is it going to get better or is it just a slog till I can get to T9?  

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The 262 is so very off the meta right now it's as if those Yaks et al. are taking their revenge on them. The MK 108 at high speed is an extremely unreliable weapon.

 

If you don't do well in 262 after a while, just stop there, the HG2 is just more of the same thing (The revolver 30mm is of little improvement if you are not already familiar with the old MK 108).



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comtedumas #3 Posted 04 April 2018 - 07:03 PM

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There are other lines I can pursue.  Thanks.  

Dru83 #4 Posted 04 April 2018 - 07:59 PM

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The 262 is very difficult to get good with because the guns are difficult to use and because of the disparity between your speed and everyone else's, you typically have less than 2 seconds to aim. It's very good at downing bombers and patrolling high altitude to take out heavy fighters, but other than that, it's pretty difficult to fly well.

General_Lee_Miserable #5 Posted 04 April 2018 - 08:15 PM

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The 262 is one giant pile of crap right now. Don't bother. 

YagabodooN #6 Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:16 AM

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I just want some Italian fighters already, especially the series 5 interceptors. 

 

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YagabodooN #7 Posted 05 April 2018 - 05:17 AM

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also 262 is on the list of planes I unlocked but never bothered with

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The 262 is not good until it gets fully upgraded.  Not sure how it is in 2.0 as I have not run mine in a while.  The HG2 and HG3 are powerful and I love flying them but again, not sure how they do in 2.0.  Collect them all.  

 

I have been flying mostly fighters and GA since 2.0 came out

 



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Me262 suffers from - ironically - many of the same problems it suffered historically; ineffective anti-fighter armaments and the inability to manage speed effectively. The plane cannot slow down without risking death, but the guns fire so slowly, with such low velocity shells and at such short range (lower than the regular 20mms) that killing fighters with it is nigh impossible without exceptional risk.  Its a phenomenal bomber hunter but not much else...

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Kenny_Chung #10 Posted 06 April 2018 - 03:33 AM

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no damage no experience so the gun must be the first

this plane is a bit of similar to game playing of J8M



MadJackChurchil #11 Posted 24 April 2018 - 01:42 AM

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I have just commented it in this (wee bit old) thread.... http://forum.worldof..._st__60#topmost

 

In a nutshell, I find this plane rather frustrating to play. I assume part of it would get better if I learn how to play it - which is hard, but I can feel it has potential. Part of it is that with play style it requires, you can outlive your opponents, but you have low engagement times, so you dont flip caps.


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Pogo68 #12 Posted 25 April 2018 - 08:04 AM

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The 262 is not a bad plane

I've had a fair bit of fun with it.

I've killed 2 planes in one pass with it, (rockets in their face then cannons on the second), with it

Gone 1 V 3 bots which escalated to 1 v 5 and killed all 5, watching the enemy planes struggle to climb while you dive on them is rather satisfying.

Flown properly its a very rewarding plane to fly.

I found it more fun than the MiG-9 and 15.

 

Mercsn summarized what you need to do when flying this bird

http://forum.worldof...129#entry713129

 

 

 


DICTA BOELCKE for WoWP
    1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking.
    2. Always continue with an attack you have begun
    3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights
    4. You should always try to keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses
    5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind
    6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try run away from his attack, but fly to meet it
    7. When over the enemy's lines, always remember your own line of retreat
    8. It is better to attack in groups of four or six. Avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent

CorvusCorvax #13 Posted 11 June 2018 - 06:02 PM

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View PostPogo68, on 25 April 2018 - 08:04 AM, said:

The 262 is not a bad plane

I've had a fair bit of fun with it.

I've killed 2 planes in one pass with it, (rockets in their face then cannons on the second), with it

Gone 1 V 3 bots which escalated to 1 v 5 and killed all 5, watching the enemy planes struggle to climb while you dive on them is rather satisfying.

Flown properly its a very rewarding plane to fly.

I found it more fun than the MiG-9 and 15.

 

Mercsn summarized what you need to do when flying this bird

http://forum.worldof...129#entry713129

 

 

 

 

He is absolutely correct.  Flying this aircraft is a joy, once you fly within its parameters.  It's not a turn fighter.  At all.  But hit the boost and stoop down on a fighter or heavy, and you can make short work of them.  Against a low-flying RB-17, it's the cure.  Against a bomber flight?  Not even a challenge.

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I just bought Me-262. It feels worse than Bf-109z, mostly because of high stall speed, the guns are a little bit better. Don't have top engine yet, when I get it I'll probably replace Engine tuning with Reinforced airframe. Improved flaps and Gyrosight are other two things. Pilot has Marksman 1 and 2.

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View Postegikov, on 11 June 2018 - 06:18 PM, said:

I just bought Me-262. It feels worse than Bf-109z, mostly because of high stall speed, the guns are a little bit better. Don't have top engine yet, when I get it I'll probably replace Engine tuning with Reinforced airframe. Improved flaps and Gyrosight are other two things. Pilot has Marksman 1 and 2.

 

I'm running mine with engine tuning, self-sealing fuel tanks and gyroscopic sight.  My pilot has engine guru I and II, and marksman.  After the Bf-109Z, I find this aircraft a joy.

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It's garbage, the Bf 109Z is more effective than it in the existing meta.

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View PostZergling, on 15 June 2018 - 01:07 AM, said:

It's garbage, the Bf 109Z is more effective than it in the existing meta.

 

Funny, I can fly the 262 like I was born to it.  Well, when there aren't server lag spikes.

 

The 109Z was a chore.  I only ever played it to get past it.



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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 16 June 2018 - 05:11 AM, said:

Funny, I can fly the 262 like I was born to it.  Well, when there aren't server lag spikes.

 

The 109Z was a chore.  I only ever played it to get past it.

 

When it comes to surviving the Me 262 is fine, but when it comes to winning battles the Me 262 is garbage.

 

Notably, my per battle damage and kill stats are lower than in the 109Z (which are total air kills/damage divided by 'selected at start of battle').

Bf 109 Z: 10.62 Kills/Battle and 6,425 Damage/Battle

Me 262: 6.00 Kills/Battle and 5,419 Damage/Battle

 

I'm even doing better in my P-80A than the Me 262, and that plane can't effectively hunt bomber waves to pad its damage stats like the Me 262 and Bf 109 Z can (which is why heavy fighters normally have much higher Damage/Battle stats than other types of fighters).

P-80A: 11.50 Kills/Battle and 5,702 Damage/Battle

 

Those stats indicate I'm just not being effective at killing enemies; I can kill bombers and attackers, but that's about it, which results in fewer kill and damage opportunities than the 109Z had (I could use that plane effectively against LF/MFs without problem) and much lower probabilities of a win.

 



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View PostZergling, on 15 June 2018 - 10:51 PM, said:

 

When it comes to surviving the Me 262 is fine, but when it comes to winning battles the Me 262 is garbage.

 

Notably, my per battle damage and kill stats are lower than in the 109Z (which are total air kills/damage divided by 'selected at start of battle').

Bf 109 Z: 10.62 Kills/Battle and 6,425 Damage/Battle

Me 262: 6.00 Kills/Battle and 5,419 Damage/Battle

 

I'm even doing better in my P-80A than the Me 262, and that plane can't effectively hunt bomber waves to pad its damage stats like the Me 262 and Bf 109 Z can (which is why heavy fighters normally have much higher Damage/Battle stats than other types of fighters).

P-80A: 11.50 Kills/Battle and 5,702 Damage/Battle

 

Those stats indicate I'm just not being effective at killing enemies; I can kill bombers and attackers, but that's about it, which results in fewer kill and damage opportunities than the 109Z had (I could use that plane effectively against LF/MFs without problem) and much lower probabilities of a win.

 

 

I don't have enough flights in the 262 to make a stats comparison yet - but I had a terrible time getting the 109Z to do even the stuff my Me-410 can still do, and that seem to be able to do in the 262.  Even when I went back to the 20mm guns, I still had a horrible time killing anything but other heavies and bombers.  The 262 is so fast, I can blow up a RB-17, then streak down and crush an IL-10.  Then fly back up and kill a heavy fighter.  Or just stoop from 3000 meters and at 900kph, just shred a light fighter, and be gone before they can even think about getting guns on you.

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View PostCorvusCorvax, on 15 June 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

 

I don't have enough flights in the 262 to make a stats comparison yet - but I had a terrible time getting the 109Z to do even the stuff my Me-410 can still do, and that seem to be able to do in the 262.  Even when I went back to the 20mm guns, I still had a horrible time killing anything but other heavies and bombers.  The 262 is so fast, I can blow up a RB-17, then streak down and crush an IL-10.  Then fly back up and kill a heavy fighter.  Or just stoop from 3000 meters and at 900kph, just shred a light fighter, and be gone before they can even think about getting guns on you.

 

I think the 109Z is an acquired taste.  Many do well in it, I do not.  I actually sold it which is rare for me because in this game I am a hoarder.  We could probably have a web series on WOWP hoarders where specialists come in and help people clear out their hangars. 

 

Anyway, some day I might revisit it.  But not today.  

 

The 262 is also an acquired taste, but the HGII is pretty damn slick.  For some reason even though the stats suck on turning, I can make that thing turn pretty well for a heavy with proper application of flaps+boost/unboost+rudder.  

 

Oh yeah, forgot to mention the rockets on both the 262 and HGII.  Those things are like having a shotgun in a narrow hallway facing someone with a knife.    


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