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Hardstrike #41 Posted 26 May 2018 - 08:31 AM

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Ki-94II and Spit XIV are great handling with impressive firepower, but for altitude with absolutely insane guns the Ta152 is boss.  I've had fantastic games with all 3 aircraft, it just depends on my mood which I'd say is best.
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Coming back to this two months later and I have to say the best tier 8 fighter is, without a doubt (IMO at least), the Dornier Do335 Pfeil.

 

It's fast - the second fastest thing at tier 8, beaten out only by the Me 262. It climbs like a homesick angel with only the third fastest climb rate (at least by the old measure) of any tier 8 (behind the Pancake and the Shusui). Its guns look weak but make up by sheer sustained DPS (its 30mm overheats less than half as fast as those on the Ta152), it has a massive bombload that can take out any ground target in a single pass and it has an excellent rate of roll which allows you to easily track even fighter sized targets in a dogfight.

 

This thing is my definition of a "hard carry" plane for when you absolutely must grab your team by the scruff of their necks and carry them like a sack of potatoes: the Do 335. Accept no substitutes.

 


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trikke #43 Posted 27 May 2018 - 12:10 PM

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i don't fly T8 often, but when i'm up there...  i'm not seeing the Pheil as often as we used to?         wonder why?
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View Posttrikke, on 27 May 2018 - 08:10 PM, said:

i don't fly T8 often, but when i'm up there...  i'm not seeing the Pheil as often as we used to?         wonder why?

 

I bought too many other tier 8 premiums :trollface:


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trikke #45 Posted 27 May 2018 - 02:17 PM

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i'm a much worse pilot than you... so all of my T8s are preemies        i've only got 3 tech tree T7s... the Spit, the Gustav and the 265 GA

 

i'm just not disciplined enough to grind out an entire line, but i'll admit that those three were effortless love-fest grinds...  at least this far

 

 


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View Posttrikke, on 27 May 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

i'm a much worse pilot than you... so all of my T8s are preemies        i've only got 3 tech tree T7s... the Spit, the Gustav and the 265 GA

 

i'm just not disciplined enough to grind out an entire line, but i'll admit that those three were effortless love-fest grinds...  at least this far

 

 

The Me209 is a great airplane - think a mustang but with a 900m ranged hub sledgehammer and two 20mms to back it up. Basically the same armaments as the Pfeil.

 

Spit XIV is a brilliant airplane in the right circumstances - its basically like any other spit but with quad 20mm cannons which give it a monstrous, bomber-killing punch. Its kinda like the tier V Spitfire I all over again - borderline overpowered in its element which is dogfighting. Struggles in large ground maps.

 

329 is... eh, its a decent GA. Not quite as fun as the 265 tbh, because it lacks the maneuverability and acceleration. It actually has less ordnance than the IL-10M. Firepower is decent but isn't as good against other airplanes as the -10M and 265.


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 27 May 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

The Me209 is a great airplane - think a mustang but with a 900m ranged hub sledgehammer and two 20mms to back it up. Basically the same armaments as the Pfeil.

 

Spit XIV is a brilliant airplane in the right circumstances - its basically like any other spit but with quad 20mm cannons which give it a monstrous, bomber-killing punch. Its kinda like the tier V Spitfire I all over again - borderline overpowered in its element which is dogfighting. Struggles in large ground maps.

 

329 is... eh, its a decent GA. Not quite as fun as the 265 tbh, because it lacks the maneuverability and acceleration. It actually has less ordnance than the IL-10M. Firepower is decent but isn't as good against other airplanes as the -10M and 265.

 

I'd say 209 is miles better than the contemporary Mustang just because the cannon bias inherent to 2.0...

WoWP makes a great jousting game...especially with the 262 and people busy in furballs...
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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 27 May 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

329 is... eh, its a decent GA. Not quite as fun as the 265 tbh, because it lacks the maneuverability and acceleration. It actually has less ordnance than the IL-10M. Firepower is decent but isn't as good against other airplanes as the -10M and 265.

 

Personally I prefer the 329 over the 265 for those four 30s. The Me 265 with so many different guns felt a bit inconsistent at times. The bombs can somewhat keep up with the IL-20's if you throw in a few 30mm shells and hit from the right angles, though lag can and will screw you over. I did go for Engine Guru 1 to improve the acceleration too


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View Postwscarter007, on 27 March 2018 - 06:17 PM, said:

For tier 8 I prefer the Spitfire XIV

 

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View PostHardstrike, on 26 May 2018 - 03:31 AM, said:

Ki-94II and Spit XIV are great handling with impressive firepower, but for altitude with absolutely insane guns the Ta152 is boss.  I've had fantastic games with all 3 aircraft, it just depends on my mood which I'd say is best.

 

Wait a second people criticize the ME-262 for it's slow firing 30's which according to the online tech tree have a ROF of 240.  The top guns on the TA-152 show a ROF of 60!  that seems crazy slow.  Is that right?  Also it shows a lower dps than the preceding 30mm.  Does not make sense.

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View PostStab74, on 28 May 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

 

Wait a second people criticize the ME-262 for it's slow firing 30's which according to the online tech tree have a ROF of 240.  The top guns on the TA-152 show a ROF of 60!  that seems crazy slow.  Is that right?  Also it shows a lower dps than the preceding 30mm.  Does not make sense.

 

The MK 108 and MK 103 in WoWP operate on different principles. The former fire in rapid bursts while the latter fire single shot per squeeze. Actually, the 262's 30mm fires very fast for its caliber, which is only topped by the postwar/advanced revolver 30mms...the Ta 152's 30mm has massive shot damage but is balanced by being limited to single-shot action.

 

The problem with the 262 is that it is way too fast with high stall speed and has very sluggish handling to top it off. You have few precious seconds on your target and that's not even factoring in the target taking evasive actions, possibly limiting your damage output to the low damage grazing hits. The Ta 152, on the other hand, is hit-or-miss. You either go big or go empty as you land those MK 103 shells and 1-burst planes or miss and having to make another pass. Being a prop it has much lower stall speed going for it so it can slow down if absolutely need be, unlike the 262 which has to constantly go fast or it will stall out. The MK 103 also has a much longer range than the MK 108, so it makes Ta 152 that are armed purely with those, in a sense, "sniper".

 

The Japanese 30mms (which are basically MK 108 clones), on the other hand, are on platforms with much better handling and they can be relied on for concentrated attacks on slower targets that are optimal for the gun's caliber or chasing lighter targets and knocking them down with the heavier shell, but they won't be chasing high-speed targets far due to their lack of speed and the short range of the burst 30mm cannons.


Edited by pyantoryng, 28 May 2018 - 09:00 PM.


WoWP makes a great jousting game...especially with the 262 and people busy in furballs...
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Ah good info.  I've got the 262 but so far it's my only tier 8.  I agree with your assessment of it.  

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 the 262's 30mm fires very fast for its caliber

Isn't it the shell velocity that is slow? ie need to lead a long way -> easier for an agile target to dodge shots.


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Agree with what many others have said, the pancake and the 152 are the stand-outs at T8. 

 

TL;DR - If I could only keep three T8 fighters, would be Pancake, Ta-152, and BV P.210 

 

That having been said, T8 seems actually pretty balanced to me. Can't think of any real clunkers among the light fighters, at least fully upgraded. To me, choices at T8 are more about play-style, what comes after or what it takes to get there. Can't speak to premiums at T8 as they are out of my price range (only one I have is the XF-15C from the event).

 

- The Spit XIV, still solid all-arounder

- The Ki-94, good altitude, good turning, hits like a truck

- The La-9, another good all-arounder

- The I-250, altitude, speed, boom-stick

- The 209, great at altitude, that 30mm hub is mean.

- The P-51H, great vertical fighter 

- The Yak-15 is freaking unbeatable at low altitude

 

The MFs I found a little more "know your role"; except the F2G, that thing is truly "multi-role"; the lawn dart surprisingly maneuverable and hits soooo hard, the XP-72 is...fine... the P.210 is a LF with air-to-air rockets, super fun.

For the HFs, well... pancake. Not quite to the UK T8 Heavy but from what I've seen and heard it's "OK"; the T8 262 is challenging in the meta as you have to have those 30s really dialed in; the T9 262 is much more forgiving.

 

-edit - sorry, had repressed the T8 Soviet MF - the Su-9. Not. My. Favorite. Starts getting too situational to reliably hit with the blap cannon; still capable of having good games, but always felt like I was taking what the match gave me, very rarely dictating anything.

 


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View Posthoom, on 29 May 2018 - 03:00 AM, said:

Isn't it the shell velocity that is slow? ie need to lead a long way -> easier for an agile target to dodge shots.

 

Fire fast, yes, shell traveling fast, not so much.

WoWP makes a great jousting game...especially with the 262 and people busy in furballs...
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I don't have the best fighter in tier 8. However, I would think it's Japanese Ki-94-II.

Because I like Ki-84 in tier 7 and planning to get Ki-94-II sometime in the future.

Spitfire in tier 8 is probably good too.

 

In tier 8 I have P-51H, XP-72, Yak-15, BvP-210, XF5U Pancake. They are not the best fighters in tier 8, but they are fun.



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pancake is a blast. just have to watch out for the mustangs, they are hard to get away from.

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Bumpsienecro time :bajan:

 

With Ta-152 & Pancake getting nerfs, Equipment changes, new Japanese Heavy, Vampire & Tempest do we have new opinions on this?

 

I'm still perplexed by people like Retousair apparently seriously recommending I-250, when this thread came out I wasn't there yet, now I've finished the grind, didn't find it horrible but also not particularly great, possibly hurt fairly bad by the Equipment changes?

I'm enjoying the MiG-9 much more.

 

Me-209 is kinda interesting, while the long range hitting power can be nice I've actually switched back to the Mk108 guns rather than the long Mk103 and finding it more effective.

 

I think I hadn't got to P-51H at this time either, also now through it, similarly it was OK but not great.

 

I've got the Su-9 too, sort of not as bad as I'd expected but certainly not a candidate for best T8 :teethhappy:

 

Partly upgraded Tempest feels pretty good but so far I still vote Spitfire XIV for best I think.


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The I-250 is a divisive airplane - some love it because it has massive alpha mounted to a decent airframe that is competitive in all areas. Others hate it because its airframe has no real strengths that can easily be exploited and its guns are both hard to use and overheat instantly. Personally, I found it usable and by the time I ground through it, I thought it was overall a pretty decent plane... but definitely not the best.

 

Vampire is just borderline broken and is only held back by its very modest altitude. Its basically a Spitfire XIV but waaaaay faster and with an even more overpowered boost. I personally feel it eclipses the Spitfire XIV in almost every way except in a low-speed turnfight. Which you should never be in. Overall I would peg it as the best tier 8 fighter of the lot currently in-game.

 

The Me-209 and P-51H are struggling - especially the -51H and its really all the Vampire's fault. I don't fly the 209 personally but the -51H is in a world of hurt if there's a skilled Vampire pilot on the opposing team.

 

If you're including heavies and Multiroles, the Tempest is just splendid and a strong contender for top spot. Certainly I'd put it at the top of the tier 8 multirole heap for its sheer power and versatility. It can give the Vampire fits as well because of its larger pool of boost. The Do-335 Pfeil is straight up the best tier 8 Heavy right now - with the trashing of the Pancake, the Pfeil really has no contenders as a versatile multi-purpose heavy. It isn't as specialized as other airplanes but its ability to do everything well makes it the standout tier 8 Heavy and a strong contender for best tier 8.

 

The Ki-94-II is a menace and I personally feel its superior to the Spitfire XIV in what it does. 

 

My personal fighter of choice at tier 8, however, is still the Ta-152. The nerf bat appears to have *gently caressed* this plane. Its guns feel as accurate as ever, I haven't found myself in a situation where I would miss the control authority and the rest of the plane hasn't changed. It still deletes people at over 700m with ease.


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