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LMG #41 Posted 16 January 2018 - 03:51 PM

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View PostRico_CotC_, on 16 January 2018 - 10:47 AM, said:

That can be hard to do when the bomber is in capable human hands.  Bot bomber pilots are meat on the table, unless they have an escort.

 

Though bot bombers in general are even worse than bot GAAs. They almost always miss with their bombs :facepalm:


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Mini_Marine #42 Posted 16 January 2018 - 05:10 PM

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Yup, bot bombers can be ignored pretty safely unless you're going for the medal that requires killing all 5 classes in a single sortie

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View PostMini_Marine, on 16 January 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

Yup, bot bombers can be ignored pretty safely unless you're going for the medal that requires killing all 5 classes in a single sortie

 

I didn't even know such a medal existed.  Now I'm going to have to try for it.  :)

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View PostRico_CotC_, on 16 January 2018 - 05:16 PM, said:

 

I didn't even know such a medal existed.  Now I'm going to have to try for it.  :)

 

10 kills in one sortie, must include all 5 plane types.

 

Much easier to get than 17 kills in a single sortie



StoptheViolins #45 Posted 16 January 2018 - 06:01 PM

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I usually get that one by accident.  Keep in mind that if a red falls in the area of two guns AI won't fire if a human is on one of the guns.

vcharng #46 Posted 17 January 2018 - 02:34 AM

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View PostLMG, on 16 January 2018 - 03:51 PM, said:

 

Though bot bombers in general are even worse than bot GAAs. They almost always miss with their bombs :facepalm:

 

Unless you're in one of the mountain maps and your bot GAAs are flying T6 Soviets.

At least bot bombers won't be trapped by mountains and can at least reach the target area.



MagicMikeV #47 Posted 17 January 2018 - 09:46 AM

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Personally I enjoy it but I find it rather fragile. AA will shred it like no other and it’s practically defenseless against high altitude Heavies. My gunner goes to town but seems like he is always shooting tic tacs at them. I can deal with the fragile aircraft, I just wish the guns had some more damage dealing strength. Is it a great bomber...it’s meh. The premium bombers are all stronger than this German line.

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View PostMagicMikeV, on 17 January 2018 - 09:46 AM, said:

The premium bombers are all stronger than this German line.

Not really, the 217M is better than the A-26, it's just still too dependent to its teammates.



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I hate the A-26 T.T the few times I flew it ended in utter disaster. I prefer all the German line bombers to the Invader and the Blenheim

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 17 January 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

I hate the A-26 T.T the few times I flew it ended in utter disaster. I prefer all the German line bombers to the Invader and the Blenheim

 

The Blehheim is the only premium bomber I still actively play, at least it can one-shot an AA gun group at T3 games, and requires only 20 sec to reload.

The A-26 can only destroy about two targets in one pass if you want a surefire destruction, the 217 can destroy up to four. Of course, 217 has double the reload time of A-26, but it's the instantaneous firepower that actually helps your team.



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View Postvcharng, on 17 January 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

 

The Blehheim is the only premium bomber I still actively play, at least it can one-shot an AA gun group at T3 games, and requires only 20 sec to reload.

The A-26 can only destroy about two targets in one pass if you want a surefire destruction, the 217 can destroy up to four. Of course, 217 has double the reload time of A-26, but it's the instantaneous firepower that actually helps your team.

 

I think I like that the Germans are pure bomb trucks and damn good at it. A26 feels like it can't decide on what it wants to be - a heavy fighter, a GAA or a bomber - and suffers for it. Blenheim just packs too little punch for how vulnerable it is - its four bombs are barely enough to move the cap meter.

 

I'm really interested to see how the Ju86E stacks against the Blenheim. Just from a historical comparison, it should be leagues better with almost double the bombload and a ventral gunner's position


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 17 January 2018 - 11:27 AM, said:

 

I think I like that the Germans are pure bomb trucks and damn good at it. A26 feels like it can't decide on what it wants to be - a heavy fighter, a GAA or a bomber - and suffers for it. Blenheim just packs too little punch for how vulnerable it is - its four bombs are barely enough to move the cap meter.

 

I'm really interested to see how the Ju86E stacks against the Blenheim. Just from a historical comparison, it should be leagues better with almost double the bombload and a ventral gunner's position

 

It also depends on how long the reload time is, if it takes a minute to reload that single 800kg bomb, then we can forget it.

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View Postvcharng, on 17 January 2018 - 11:33 AM, said:

 

It also depends on how long the reload time is, if it takes a minute to reload that single 800kg bomb, then we can forget it.

 

I'm pretty sure that article meant an 800kg bombLOAD - bombs that size didn't exist in the late 30's and a quick look at the 86E's cutaway on Wikipedia shows an internal Heinkel style vertical bomb rack

 

https://en.m.wikiped...nkers_Ju_86.jpg

 

I am more than willing to bet it'll have a 50kg stick drop like the 17Z and 88A. Probably fewer. Or the same number but a much lower ceiling


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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 17 January 2018 - 04:38 AM, said:

 

I'm pretty sure that article meant an 800kg bombLOAD - bombs that size didn't exist in the late 30's and a quick look at the 86E's cutaway on Wikipedia shows an internal Heinkel style vertical bomb rack

 

https://en.m.wikiped...nkers_Ju_86.jpg

 

I am more than willing to bet it'll have a 50kg stick drop like the 17Z and 88A. Probably fewer. Or the same number but a much lower ceiling

 

This is almost certainly the case.  Two out of three DE bombers in the game right now drop 50kg bombs in clusters of four so it is fair to assume the Junkers Ju.86 will be similar.  At a load of 800kg that would be four separate bomb drops, the same number of drops the Blenheim has.  If their reload and altitude handling are similar the ventral gun position on the Junkers makes her a more desirable bomber.

 

It will be interesting to see how she is balanced out vs the Blenny Mk IV.


 

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 17 January 2018 - 06:27 AM, said:

I'm really interested to see how the Ju86E stacks against the Blenheim. Just from a historical comparison, it should be leagues better with almost double the bombload and a ventral gunner's position

 

wait... where did we see the Ju86 was coming soon?

 

edit:   have we seen more bombers this week, since they went on sale?


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View Posttrikke, on 18 January 2018 - 01:43 AM, said:

 

wait... where did we see the Ju86 was coming soon?

 

edit:   have we seen more bombers this week, since they went on sale?

 

It was announced during the Albion event announcement as being available for Supertesters or somesuch. That's why I thought the German tree would begin at tier 3, not 4

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And the next question to ask is where is the “He-111?”

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View Postcomtedumas, on 18 January 2018 - 06:58 AM, said:

And the next question to ask is where is the “He-111?”

 

A second German "heavy" bomber tree? Starting from the He111E at t4, t5 He111H, t6 He177, t7 He 274...

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View Postcomtedumas, on 17 January 2018 - 10:58 PM, said:

And the next question to ask is where is the “He-111?”

 

Where is the Hellcat?

 

I was on an HE 111 once, the one used in Patton. Cool plane. I would expect a premium in the game



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View PostDestroyer_Suzukaze, on 18 January 2018 - 07:57 AM, said:

 

Where is the Hellcat?

It's in WOT, found under US tank destroyers.

Lol just kidding.

 

my guess, or maybe should we say my "wish":

T3: Ju86

T3~T6: we already know them

T7: He 111 H (same load with 217M with faster reload)

T8: Ju 188E (SD 250 x 12 maybe?)

T9: He 177 (10 x 500kg or 6 x 1000 kg load)

T10  He 277 or 274, preferably with Fritz X.







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