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Mercsn #21 Posted 02 January 2018 - 12:59 AM

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 01 January 2018 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

You, sir, deserve a downvote for saltiness. WG made a bad move by removing them. They are helpful to show disapproval of posts that are in bad taste, like yours.

Odd, I gave him an upvote for speaking the un-sugar-coated-truth.

 

OP, if you want to enjoy the 262, you need to learn the Bf110.  The Me 262 is the tier 8 version of the Bf110.  

 

Unfortunately, the game's xp economy doesn't force you to do this. When I played prior to 2.0 (about 4 yrs ago in beta through 1.0), 250 battles would have probably been enough to max out the tier 5 Bf110.  250 battles in the 262 alone would probably have been enough to unlock everything including the (xp intensive) rocket booster engines module.   

 

To give you an idea of the old xp economy that you can relate to:  my 1 german pilot that moved from plane to plane had 7 skill points before finishing tier 5. 

:playing: :great:

 

I'll give you more tips later, but for now, go back to tier 4 and 5 and learn the bf110. 


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I'm looking forward to the 262 myself. A lot of people said the Fw190s were crap and I love those things to bits so I'm eager to prove to myself that I can use the 262 to murder just as effectively.

 

Still love the A-5 though. First loves and all that.


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View PostMercsn, on 01 January 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

Odd, I gave him an upvote for speaking the un-sugar-coated-truth.

 

OP, if you want to enjoy the 262, you need to learn the Bf110.  The Me 262 is the tier 8 version of the Bf110.  

 

Unfortunately, the game's xp economy doesn't force you to do this. When I played prior to 2.0 (about 4 yrs ago in beta through 1.0), 250 battles would have probably been enough to max out the tier 5 Bf110.  250 battles in the 262 alone would probably have been enough to unlock everything including the (xp intensive) rocket booster engines module.   

 

To give you an idea of the old xp economy that you can relate to:  my 1 german pilot that moved from plane to plane had 7 skill points before finishing tier 5. 

:playing: :great:

 

I'll give you more tips later, but for now, go back to tier 4 and 5 and learn the bf110. 

 

Bubba's a salty old sailor of a player, who seems to rarely tell the "un-sugar-coated-truth." He just usually wants to make new players feel bad for consulting the forums, and also to make them feel bad for judging too quickly an insanely hard plane to play, that is one with a very high skill floor.

 

It's funny, I noticed he didn't bother Desmios for his hatred of the J8M Shusi(another REALLY HIGH SKILL FLOOR plane).

 

I guess Desmios gets the benefit of the doubt, when this thread's OP apparently does not.

 

What a jerk of a guy, that Bubba.


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View PostMercsn, on 02 January 2018 - 12:59 AM, said:

Odd, I gave him an upvote for speaking the un-sugar-coated-truth.

 

OP, if you want to enjoy the 262, you need to learn the Bf110.  The Me 262 is the tier 8 version of the Bf110.  

 

Unfortunately, the game's xp economy doesn't force you to do this. When I played prior to 2.0 (about 4 yrs ago in beta through 1.0), 250 battles would have probably been enough to max out the tier 5 Bf110.  250 battles in the 262 alone would probably have been enough to unlock everything including the (xp intensive) rocket booster engines module.   

 

To give you an idea of the old xp economy that you can relate to:  my 1 german pilot that moved from plane to plane had 7 skill points before finishing tier 5. 

:playing: :great:

 

I'll give you more tips later, but for now, go back to tier 4 and 5 and learn the bf110. 

 

Or he could go back to the Zwilling and play it with 30's...very similar style but with kiddie pool planes in comparison for competition...

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 01 January 2018 - 09:09 PM, said:

 

Bubba's a salty old sailor of a player, who seems to rarely tell the "un-sugar-coated-truth." He just usually wants to make new players feel bad for consulting the forums, and also to make them feel bad for judging too quickly an insanely hard plane to play, that is one with a very high skill floor.

 

It's funny, I noticed he didn't bother Desmios for his hatred of the J8M Shusi(another REALLY HIGH SKILL FLOOR plane).

 

I guess Desmios gets the benefit of the doubt, when this thread's OP apparently does not.

 

What a jerk of a guy, that Bubba.

 

 

What's really funny are the new influx of super sensitive types that get their panties in a bunch when they hear truth that is not to their liking.

 


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Everyone chill. Telling someone to practice before condemning is fair even if it is salty. But let's try to tone down the overall salt as well? Don't need to start another fight over this - if you think someone is being salty, but with some justification, just be nice yourself. It evens out.

 

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View PostPerco_lator, on 02 January 2018 - 02:30 AM, said:

 

 

What's really funny are the new influx of super sensitive types that get their panties in a bunch when they hear truth that is not to their liking.

 

 

I'm down with truth telling.  Problem is most of my experiences IRL and online have seen many peeps who can dish it but cain't take it.  As if they are the only ones who anyting mon...

 

 

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View Posthawkeyededic, on 01 January 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

I'm going to start by saying I have not played the 262 since Closed Beta, back when it was the T-8 LF, but I am familiar with it's playstyle having faced in many times over the last several years.

 

To start with, the Me.262 is very dependent on playstyle, it is not a dogfighter by any stretch of the imagination, it is in game and irl an interceptor. The only thing you will be able to turn fight with is another Me.262 so don't even try.

 

You one strength is speed, use it to your advantage, fly in fast take some shots and fly away level using your speed to separate. Learn how to barrel roll, it will make you harder to hit without loosing too much speed.

 

Those big 30mm guns can be hard to hit with, so use the team training room for a few fights to shoot up bots, watch where your shots are going when you aim so you can learn the best lead on different targets. Use standard ammo for this and avoid consumables and rockets so you don't loose any credits. Yes this is boring but is worth the time spent learning the plane.

 

Pick your targets carefully if you can, look for damaged or distracted enemies, they can give you easier targets, but don't slow down and turn as little as possible.

 

When you disengage do it in level flight or a slight nose down angle, don't try to climb away, it makes you an easier target.

 

When going after bombers, aim at the wings and engines, especially the engines if you are hitting an attack flight formation. This will cause them to slow down and drop out of formation, making them an easier target with less help for the gunners in the other planes in the formation. This tactic is one used by the Luftwaffe during WWII to deal with heavy bombers in tight formations, it works in game as well.

 

Most of all, as with any plane, stick with it and learn it's strengths and weaknesses.

 

idk what plane your talking about but i learned things from this to take to t5 so thanks

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 01 January 2018 - 10:09 PM, said:

 

Bubba's a salty old sailor of a player, who seems to rarely tell the "un-sugar-coated-truth." He just usually wants to make new players feel bad for consulting the forums, and also to make them feel bad for judging too quickly an insanely hard plane to play, that is one with a very high skill floor.

 

It's funny, I noticed he didn't bother Desmios for his hatred of the J8M Shusi(another REALLY HIGH SKILL FLOOR plane).

 

I guess Desmios gets the benefit of the doubt, when this thread's OP apparently does not.

 

What a jerk of a guy, that Bubba.

 

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View PostCamuMahubah, on 01 January 2018 - 09:47 PM, said:

 

I'm down with truth telling.  Problem is most of my experiences IRL and online have seen many peeps who can dish it but cain't take it.  As if they are the only ones who anyting mon...

 

 

How now brown cows jump over the moon verry very soon and simmer down boys...

 

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View PostMercsn, on 01 January 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

Odd, I gave him an upvote for speaking the un-sugar-coated-truth.

 

OP, if you want to enjoy the 262, you need to learn the Bf110.  The Me 262 is the tier 8 version of the Bf110.  

 

Unfortunately, the game's xp economy doesn't force you to do this. When I played prior to 2.0 (about 4 yrs ago in beta through 1.0), 250 battles would have probably been enough to max out the tier 5 Bf110.  250 battles in the 262 alone would probably have been enough to unlock everything including the (xp intensive) rocket booster engines module.   

 

To give you an idea of the old xp economy that you can relate to:  my 1 german pilot that moved from plane to plane had 7 skill points before finishing tier 5. 

:playing: :great:

 

I'll give you more tips later, but for now, go back to tier 4 and 5 and learn the bf110. 

 

You and I will have to disagree on this one. When he went into trophy generation he went past unvarnished truth into gratuitous insults. You can dish out truth without personal insults. 

 

To follow on what you are saying here, I have several tier 6 and 7 planes unlocked, but I am mostly tooling around in tier 5 and 6, flying my Yak 7, Mig 3, Hurricane 2, Fw 190 A-1, IL2t. Everything is turned to accelerated training and I am just getting crew ready and honing my skills. One thing I learned in tanks is rushing up the trees before I am ready will just frustrate me like the OP is.

 

I get that XP is accelerated now to get people to upper tiers but a man's gotta know his limitations.  Another thing I learned in tanks is, first thing to do to get a better win rate is cut down the different tanks you're driving. Settle on a few and get good with them. That's my plan. 



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View PostCamuMahubah, on 01 January 2018 - 08:27 PM, said:

 

Or he could go back to the Zwilling and play it with 30's...very similar style but with kiddie pool planes in comparison for competition...

 

The Zed doesn't operate quite the same way that the 262 does, the Bf110 is a more accurate analogue with it's nose mounted weaponry and it's in a tier where the bots are less skilled and the game play is a bit slower, thereby giving the opportunity to learn the basics of how to operate the craft as BnZ with more room for error.

 


 

OP, First, welcome to the forums!  It's unfortunate that your first post is a complaint or really QQ.  But maybe we can help you out.


 

Look at the 262 in your hangar.  It looks a bit like a shark.  When you fly it, that's the mindset you want to be in.


 

You want to circle lazily above your prey (you can outclimb almost anyone in the tier and even the few who could climb up to your altitude will likely be more interested in the multitude of targets available at furball altitude).  Once something catches your interest, you will dive in for the attack and be viciously snapping at anything that gets in front of you.  And you will always be moving, keeping your energy.


 

So, the Me 262 is a bit out of place in the current meta of low altitude turn-fight and overcompressed altitude.  But, it has speed, altitude ceiling, and weight of firepower in it's favor.


 

You want to let your teammates enter a sector first.  This will require self control because you will be fast enough that you can get their first.  Use your time at the start of a battle to gain altitude and follow the biggest herd of teammates, preferably players if they all go one direction, but mainly you want to be above and behind the biggest group of friendlies.  The reason is that one of your biggest sources of targets will be enemies chasing your teammates.  You need to let your teammates engage before you.


 

You have 3 primary targets.


 

-First, any red player/player bot that is climbing up towards you in a head-on intercept course.  This guy is aware of your presence and wants to engage and shoot at you.  You need to eliminate him for that reason as well as he's giving you an easy no lead shot.


 

You have altitude advantage though, and he's losing energy (speed) and/or wasting all his boost to attempt to engage you.  Keep your altitude and keep track of him by using your free look to avoid dipping your nose until he's maybe 800m-1km away.  Keeping your altitude until you engage lets you close the distance while making him lose more energy or waste more boost.  At the same time, you'll be diving and accelerating (since you have the HF improved polish equipped), making your get-away easier.


 

The range of the Mk108 stinks.  (Back when I last played, gun range was primarily based on caliber with a loose tie-in with muzzle velocity; iirc all 30mm were good out to 800m or so, could be remembering wrong though, it's been a while).  But, it's the same effective range as a .50 cal which is the typical weaponry of the Mustangs that can climb up to you.  The German high altitude fighters with 30mm are less common (and have similar accuracy and range problems as you).  A 109G won't want to go head on with you and is too slow if he had to climb up to catch you was you escape.  A Ta-152 is rare in player hands and bot or player, will probably be engaging the teammates you let enter ahead of you.


 

So, you dive down at him accelerating and line up your head-on shot and start firing at 700-800m out (letting closure speed make up for the 600m range).  Hopefully you pop him if he doesn't turn away, running him over if you didn't kill him with guns and he didn't turn.  Ideally, you will break off your attack before you reach his altitude and nose slightly up as you escape.  Take shots at anything in front of you (within a 30 degree or so cone in front of you) as you exit the zone.  The current thinking with BnZ is that you won't want to climb until you are well clear of the combat zone.  With the 262, you can climb under boost.  Boost combined with the energy you picked up in your dive will give you enough speed to escape while forcing your low energy (and potentially stalling out) enemy to keep his nose up if he wants to shoot at you.  That will keep him slower if he had to climb up to you and if he's stalling, you staying above his altitude means he can't really shoot at you.  And, you are going to dive down on your next target, so climbing while exiting the engagement zone also sets you up for your next attack a tiny bit sooner.


 

-Second, (if no targets are trying to engage you head-on) you want to prioritize targets that are chasing your teammates.  This is two-fold.  It allows you to prevent your teammate getting killed and giving up capture points while also helping your side have advantage in numbers.  AND, the big reason (as if keeping your teammates alive isn't reason enough) is that when you are engaging an enemy who is chasing a teammate, you KNOW WHERE HE WILL BE GOING.  You see where your teammate is going.  You know the enemy is following.  This makes it much easier to guestimate where to shoot.  Now, the hard part, a leading shot with the slow firing arcing trajectory Mk108 30mm cannons.  This just requires practice.  The Me262 was one of my most flown craft 4 years ago. And, when I got into my first match with it, the lead distance was still stuck in the back of my brain and I was able to land shots on enemies chasing teammates fairly reliably.  Call it brain muscle memory.  The only way to get it is to practice with it and learn the lead distance at different ranges and target speeds.


 

With the 262, because of it's "deliberate" maneuvering performance, you have to pick your aim spot well before you get in range to shoot.  That way, as soon as you get to effective range (600m or so) you can shoot for 300-400m before disengaging and escaping (hopefully killing or at least wounding and getting the enemy to break off his attack on your teammate).  As you realized, especially with the top engines and in a dive, you won't have time to adjust your aim.  Either you guesstimated correctly or you missed and have to escape and set up for your next pass.   In the previous iteration of the game, there was a lead indicator pip that most players could aim at to hit a target with more ease.  I played on sketchy net and my laptop at the time could dip into the teens for framerate and at the speeds involved, the indicator was never accurate for me.  So, I never used it. Which is the exact same situation in the current game, with the lack of lead indicator pip.  You just have to learn where you need to aim in front of the target, in the path your teammate is creating, to hit the target.


 

When I do this type of attack, I imagine the enemy is being pulled along on a string by my teammate. I judge my closure rate (how fast I'm catching up to them).  Then, just pick a spot that my teammate will be traveling through (and therefore pulling the enemy target through) that will put me about 600m away.  Then, just shoot at that spot and hopefully the target gets there when the 30mm do.  Again, if you guessed wrong, you missed.  You need to keep your speed and escape.  Slow down and something is going to gun you down.  Another part of this is also picking targets at the highest altitudes first, but that's standard target priority that I'm sure you already know to do.   If there's no fighters engaging you or your teammates, then you probably have an enemy who's acting foolishly (if in a fighter) and attacking ground targets.  Same thing as with the teammate chase/string idea.  You know where that guy is going.  Pick a spot in between him and the target he's strafing, where he'll be when you're 600m out, and let him have it.  Obviously, if you're down on the deck, you want to make sure there are no fighters in the area that will be diving on you.


 

-Third, if you have no easy head-on challenges or teammates to save, you will likely be engaging a target that is not looking up and isn't aware of you or you are in the sun or a cloud above him and he can't see you.  Same principle as the point above.  Try and guess where he's going and shoot at that spot as you dive down on him, break off your attack before you get to his altitude.  He has decent energy (speed) since he was likely traveling to a location instead of furiously maneuvering or climbing, as in the previous points.   So, you want to break off your attack before you get to his altitude.  You will have the advantage of surprise, but he'll have enough speed to engage and shoot you if you fly down to his altitude.  If you do fly down to his altitude to try shooting longer (if you're landing hits but not quite killing him before you should disengage and escape), you need to boost and continue your dive.  Continuing the dive and giving up your altitude will put you at risk from other lower aircraft if any are nearby.  So, it's not the ideal tactic, but if it gives you enough time to kill that one plane and there isn't anyone else nearby, you may be ok.


 

-Other targets include ai bomber formations, player bombers, and ground attack craft.  Because of your high stall speed, engaging player ground attackers may require several passes.  Don't do a low speed stall behind them at low altitude while he's tailgunning your engines, forcing you to crash.  That's embarrassing.   Attacking player bombers at very high altitude will be a challenge as you'll have to engage them head on otherwise the tailgunner of an RB-17 in player hands with crew skills will be chewing on you from 1.5km out, possibly spec'd for increased crit chance also.  You should be able to make short work of ai "player bot" bombers however from any angle.


 

As you can see by the length of this post, confirming what others have said, the plane is fine. It just requires a higher than (currently) normal level of skill, practice and experience to operate it successfully.   Again, it's not entirely your fault that you don't know how to use it.  WG's current xp economy didn't give you time to learn how to BnZ, manage energy, prioritize targets, etc.  By comparison, the Seafang, at tier 8 is much easier to use.  But...the seafang doesn't go "whoosh" or have the unmistakable 30mm cannon sounds.


 

At 250 battles, you really are a babe lost in the woods at tier 8 in craft that are out of sync with the current meta.  That's not an insult or slight, either.  Despite WG's attempts to remove skill and/or experience as a factor in gameplay, some things still require and reward it.  If you like HF gameplay, hopefully you'll reconsider the Me262 when you have more experience with HF and BnZ.


 


 


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Merc the tier 4 and 5 do not play at all like Me 262 to me.  They are flying tanks that fire forever with tailgunners to boot.

 

OP needs to understand the 30mm guns more than he needs to go back to tier 4 and 5.  Besides Me 262 feels fragile and catches on fire so much compared to those planes.  

 

He needs to understand the way of the 30mm and energy fighting of which he will not get at tier 5.  Those planes are simply not fast enough and much easier to tank around in.  The Zwilling with top engines and all 30mm's is what he needs to go back to.

 

He needs to learn to make those shots count.  And he needs to learn proper energy fighting target selection.  



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262 was my first-ever tier VIII I've flown...and I can't say I really excelled in it. Hell, I can't fight off a tier 6 for my life back in the very end of Closed Beta...and I found myself back behind its controls again in live, grinding right from two-gun stage. Never excelled in it, but the grind went okay just because of its massive damage output translating into more EXP...

 

The style of play that defines the 262 just don't translate well into the 2.0 version, is all.



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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 02 January 2018 - 04:54 AM, said:

 

How'd you know I'm flying out to Jamaica tomorrow until the 13th?

 

Salty...that term was rarely if ever used on this forum until last October...not sure it belongs on an aviation themed forum.  Some posts also haven't been seen here much until recently as well.  But that's a positive, means new players!  And cheese!

 

I've never used the term salty in my WoWP career.  98% sure I've never used it in my WoT career.  I have seen it everywhere though for about two or three years especially in the online gaming communities.  It's not really new.  I guess you just don't play many other games.  

 

I didn't click your cheesy link as I imagine it leads to a picture of cheese and I usually run a three miles a day so seeing a pic of dairy products that I enjoy might tempt me to invade the fridge instead of sticking to what I know my body needs.  Midnight cravings are the worst for me.  

 

When I was kid there was an old guy I knew who was always asking peeps if they wanted cheese to go with their wine.  That was twenty years ago and I imagine that dude may not even be around anymore.  Not sure.  Don't care.  He was always talking about how hard he worked but I usually saw him drinking Budweiser and smoking pot.

 

Have fun in Jamaica.  Never really wanted to there as I grew up in Florida close to the beach and just couldn't imagine going to another place like Jamaica that was known for beaches when I practically grew up on the beach.  I actually wanted to go somewhere where it snowed lol.  

 

Ta ta for now little salty bunnies!

 

There I used the term salty.  

 

Oh and and get the marksman perk and use gun sights on that Me 262.



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View PostMercsn, on 02 January 2018 - 12:21 AM, said:

 

A lot of stuff......

 

Dude, seriously, you could write up an instruction manual for WOWP newbies, post it on Amazon and charge like $.99 (no offense, but hey, who's going to pay more than that).  

 

That way, your forum posts could be less verbose as you could just point people to your Amazon book link.  

 

At maybe 2000 total NA players tops, if about 5% of the players bought your book it would bring in roughly $100 (less Amazon fees).  You could then use that money to buy gold or other goodies and then think about Episode 2.   With translation to other languages, you could possibly bring in upwards of $500.  

 

Just a thought....  Good write-ups by the way, just try to use less words.   



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View PostBobby_Tables, on 02 January 2018 - 07:01 AM, said:

 

Dude, seriously, you could write up an instruction manual for WOWP newbies, post it on Amazon and charge like $.99 (no offense, but hey, who's going to pay more than that).  

 

That way, your forum posts could be less verbose as you could just point people to your Amazon book link.  

 

At maybe 2000 total NA players tops, if about 5% of the players bought your book it would bring in roughly $100 (less Amazon fees).  You could then use that money to buy gold or other goodies and then think about Episode 2.   With translation to other languages, you could possibly bring in upwards of $500.  

 

Just a thought....  Good write-ups by the way, just try to use less words.   

 

Gilligan! That's no way to talk about the Professor!

HazeGrayUnderway #38 Posted 02 January 2018 - 07:09 AM

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You dogfight in 262 you're dead.

 

Speed, altitude are your best friends.  If you come down to lower altitudes, it has to be short and get your altitude back up.  Make your attack runs and get out.  You are also a very potent bomber killer.

 

You try to do Turn & Burn you will spectacularly fail.  Maintaining energy, speed, altitude and spending them wisely takes discipline.

 

The guns inaccurate?  No, they are on the nose and are very accurate.  But you need to get good in leading with them as you can't spray and pray.

 

The only real misgiving I have with 262 and 262 HG II is that the style of play is not conducive to contesting the caps.  The style of play is Hit & Run oriented unless you're killing bombers.  Such play demands time and in the caps, that may not be good for your team as light fighters are chewing up your teammates.  You're zooming in / out of the caps, setting another run up, all while stuff is blowing up in the caps.



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View PostHazeGrayUnderway, on 02 January 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

 

The only real misgiving I have with 262 and 262 HG II is that the style of play is not conducive to contesting the caps.  The style of play is Hit & Run oriented unless you're killing bombers.  Such play demands time and in the caps, that may not be good for your team as light fighters are chewing up your teammates.  You're zooming in / out of the caps, setting another run up, all while stuff is blowing up in the caps.

 

Tend to agree with this statement.  

 

Plus at tier 8 and 9 the game becomes World of Ground Attack Super Tank 5000 Planes with a game within the game called, "Who wants to die to my giant epeen tail guns that fire forever and ever ever!?".



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View PostCamuMahubah, on 02 January 2018 - 12:35 AM, said:

Merc the tier 4 and 5 do not play at all like Me 262 to me.  They are flying tanks that fire forever with tailgunners to boot.

 

OP needs to understand the 30mm guns more than he needs to go back to tier 4 and 5.  Besides Me 262 feels fragile and catches on fire so much compared to those planes.  

 

He needs to understand the way of the 30mm and energy fighting of which he will not get at tier 5.  Those planes are simply not fast enough and much easier to tank around in.  The Zwilling with top engines and all 30mm's is what he needs to go back to.

 

He needs to learn to make those shots count.  And he needs to learn proper energy fighting target selection.  

 

We'll just disagree on this then.  The place to learn energy fighting, target priority and shooting from speed is in lower tier with a plane that aims with nose mounted guns. There's a bigger difference in shooting feel between spread out wing guns and nose guns, regardless of caliber. The 30mm shoot different than the 20mm, but it's just a matter of learning the new lead distance.  

 

The zed doesn’t shoot the same as the 262. Even if you pick the correct aim point, a target can fly through the spread out rounds of the zed.  With the 262, the shots are more closely grouped and will reward good aim point prediction by hitting the enemy.  The enemy won't be able to "accidentally" dodge the 262's the way he can with the zed's dispersed shots.

 

And, at 250 battles, tier 7 also isn't a friendly learning tier, the OP hasn't done enough of this style of play to not be overwhelmed by the speed of events while still having opportunity to focus on what he should be doing.  


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