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Gavel #1 Posted 01 January 2018 - 07:03 PM

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I heard so many 'good' reports on the ME 262. So, during the holidays, I unlocked it, and all of its parts. On paper, it looks amazing. But, when you fly it, it is terrible!

 

In every match I play with it, I lose 10 - 18 k so far, even on a win and premium account. I can only seem to do 7k combat damage on a good match, and she turns like a turtle! I can turn my bomber faster than this thing!

 

A breakdown on its flaws (they are many):

  • It's guns are super inaccurate at distance, and require you to close distance, but by the time you do, you're already almost over-running the enemy, giving you very little time to shoot them down. The only way I've seen is to try to hit someone from behind, so you have 1 or 2 more seconds to fire before over-running them. FORGET DOG FIGHTING!
  • It's extremely vulnerable to all types of hits! 
  • It catches fire if you fart too hard.
  • I have to use up 2 or 3 consumables to stop the fires, or getting its wings/tail blown off in 1 or 2 shots.

 

The only things I like about it are the autocannons (if you have time to shoot them), and the rocket spread (really fun on bombers).

 

If I fly a Spitfire XIV or the Seafang, I can outgun this piece of junk any day, and make a hellova lot more coin and XP per matchup. So, this leads me to conclude:

  1. Either Wargaming nerfed the tar out of this plane because it WAS a good plane
  2. Or, they need to seriously fix this plane so it has a chance to do some damage to SOMETHING before it dies. 

 

Suggestion: longer-range on the guns, with a little more accuracy, and a little more turn rate would be nice! The rest I can live with, if at least I get a chance to kill my enemy before they turn and shoot me down with 1 or 2 shots.



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View PostGavel, on 01 January 2018 - 02:03PM

 

So, this leads me to conclude:

  1. Either Wargaming nerfed the tar out of this plane because it WAS a good plane
  2. Or, they need to seriously fix this plane so it has a chance to do some damage to SOMETHING before it dies.

 

3.  I'm still learning the game and need to upgrade my pilot skills whilst learning boom n zoom tactics and situational awareness before I  make a nerf/buff post based on my limited playing experience, even though I'm part of the trophy generation which doesn't want to put in too much effort for immediate gratification.


 

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pyantoryng #3 Posted 01 January 2018 - 08:21 PM

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Want to dogfight in a heavy fighter? Get the Pancake.

 

...and MK 108 had always been the crappiest 30mm weapons there is in WoWP...



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I'm going to start by saying I have not played the 262 since Closed Beta, back when it was the T-8 LF, but I am familiar with it's playstyle having faced in many times over the last several years.

 

To start with, the Me.262 is very dependent on playstyle, it is not a dogfighter by any stretch of the imagination, it is in game and irl an interceptor. The only thing you will be able to turn fight with is another Me.262 so don't even try.

 

You one strength is speed, use it to your advantage, fly in fast take some shots and fly away level using your speed to separate. Learn how to barrel roll, it will make you harder to hit without loosing too much speed.

 

Those big 30mm guns can be hard to hit with, so use the team training room for a few fights to shoot up bots, watch where your shots are going when you aim so you can learn the best lead on different targets. Use standard ammo for this and avoid consumables and rockets so you don't loose any credits. Yes this is boring but is worth the time spent learning the plane.

 

Pick your targets carefully if you can, look for damaged or distracted enemies, they can give you easier targets, but don't slow down and turn as little as possible.

 

When you disengage do it in level flight or a slight nose down angle, don't try to climb away, it makes you an easier target.

 

When going after bombers, aim at the wings and engines, especially the engines if you are hitting an attack flight formation. This will cause them to slow down and drop out of formation, making them an easier target with less help for the gunners in the other planes in the formation. This tactic is one used by the Luftwaffe during WWII to deal with heavy bombers in tight formations, it works in game as well.

 

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nuttydave1234 #5 Posted 01 January 2018 - 08:24 PM

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I disagree with a lot of this...

  • It's guns are super inaccurate at distance, and require you to close distance, but by the time you do, you're already almost over-running the enemy, giving you very little time to shoot them down. The only way I've seen is to try to hit someone from behind, so you have 1 or 2 more seconds to fire before over-running them. FORGET DOG FIGHTING!

You can take down basically everything before your guns overheat within 2000 feet. You can hit S and drop speed easily. 

  • It's extremely vulnerable to all types of hits! 

Sure its large, you have double the HP of other fighters, great boost.

  • It catches fire if you fart too hard.

It doesn't burst into flames every game...

 

Any sort of head-on is a joke with fighters.

Any sort of fighter trying to chase you down is a joke. 

Turn-fighting is a joke, you will die. You are a heavy fighter. 

Bombers are a joke, climb and destroy easily.

 

This plane is not that bad.  

 


Edited by nuttydave1234, 01 January 2018 - 08:25 PM.


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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 01 January 2018 - 02:41 PM, said:

 

3.  I'm still learning the game and need to upgrade my pilot skills whilst learning boom n zoom tactics and situational awareness before I  make a nerf/buff post based on my limited playing experience, even though I'm part of the trophy generation which doesn't want to put in too much effort for immediate gratification.

 

10.  Or instead of being an jerk you could give hims some tips to help him with the 262

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Or you could just play British planes...best in class IMO. The only other lines to have in your hanger are USA for multi roles and USSR for ground attack.

StoptheViolins #8 Posted 01 January 2018 - 08:52 PM

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Rock that Hornet which has the same weapons as the mosquito.  If he can't rock big gun heavies he'll pass out trying the itty bitty guns on the uk line.

pyantoryng #9 Posted 01 January 2018 - 08:57 PM

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View PostStoptheViolins, on 01 January 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

Rock that Hornet which has the same weapons as the mosquito. If he can't rock big gun heavies he'll pass out trying the itty bitty guns on the uk line.

 

At least the ADEN is better than MG 213...or is it the better handling of UK heavies...

WoWP makes a great jousting game...especially with the 262 and people busy in furballs...
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Bubba_Zanetti #10 Posted 01 January 2018 - 09:13 PM

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View Postcomtedumas, on 01 January 2018 - 03:36 PM, said:

 

10.  Or instead of being an jerk you could give hims some tips to help him with the 262

 

I just did.  And where's 4-9 great forum moderator?  I learned this game by playing it and never asked for advice on the forum.  I put in the time.

 

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The 262 is an acquired taste,If you don't like it sell it and go another way. Personally I will keep all three of mine!

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The guns and the stiffness in its turns is probably the big turn off of the 262. Once you get the handle of those 2 things, and learn to properly BnZ in a Heavy, it won't seem so difficult any more. You won't grasp it overnight or in the first week. Its a high learning curve plane.

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It can take many games to know if you like a plane or not - when you mention the Spitfire and Seafang to compare I can tell you right there its you, not the plane.  No offense meant, but anyone with experience in this game would tell you the same thing.

 

If you like heavies learn to use them properly and you will see 262 is pretty good.



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View Postcomtedumas, on 01 January 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

 

10.  Or instead of being an jerk you could give hims some tips to help him with the 262

 

To be fair its not as if OP was asking for help..he was suggesting 262 was junk.


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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 01 January 2018 - 11:41 AM, said:

 

3.  I'm still learning the game and need to upgrade my pilot skills whilst learning boom n zoom tactics and situational awareness before I  make a nerf/buff post based on my limited playing experience, even though I'm part of the trophy generation which doesn't want to put in too much effort for immediate gratification.

 

You, sir, deserve a downvote for saltiness. WG made a bad move by removing them. They are helpful to show disapproval of posts that are in bad taste, like yours.

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View Postlegoboy0401, on 01 January 2018 - 05:03 PM, said:

 

You, sir, deserve a downvote for saltiness. WG made a bad move by removing them. They are helpful to show disapproval of posts that are in bad taste, like yours.

 

Sometimes the truth hurts.  Are you also a cheese connoisseur?

 

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View PostGavel, on 01 January 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

I heard so many 'good' reports on the ME 262. So, during the holidays, I unlocked it, and all of its parts. On paper, it looks amazing. But, when you fly it, it is terrible!

 

In every match I play with it, I lose 10 - 18 k so far, even on a win and premium account. I can only seem to do 7k combat damage on a good match, and she turns like a turtle! I can turn my bomber faster than this thing!

 

That's interesting, I just recently picked up the 262 as well and I have the opposite opinion.  I think it's pretty good.  I haven't lost any money playing it either.  Do you use universal ammo?  If so, then I could see how you could be losing money, that stuff is very expensive for very little (imo) benefit.  I personally don't use it on this aircraft.

 

View PostGavel, on 01 January 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

A breakdown on its flaws (they are many):

  • It's guns are super inaccurate at distance, and require you to close distance, but by the time you do, you're already almost over-running the enemy, giving you very little time to shoot them down. The only way I've seen is to try to hit someone from behind, so you have 1 or 2 more seconds to fire before over-running them. FORGET DOG FIGHTING!
  • It's extremely vulnerable to all types of hits! 
  • It catches fire if you fart too hard.
  • I have to use up 2 or 3 consumables to stop the fires, or getting its wings/tail blown off in 1 or 2 shots.

 

1.  The guns are actually pretty accurate, by my reckoning; they're tightly clustered in the nose, so the spread is fairly small.  I think the problem you're having is that the shell velocity of the 30mm guns is much lower than what you're used to, and as such you're not leading as much as you need to with the 30s.  I had the benefit of knowing this going into the plane, and a small amount of practice on the Bf 109Z (if you want to talk about a bad plane, there's one).  Once you get a feel for the amount of lead you need to use with the 30s, I think you'll have a much better time.

2.  I'm not sure what you mean here.  I guess it might get critical damage a bit more than usual, but that's what consumables are for.  Frankly, I find that if I'm flying correctly (making quick, high-speed passes at enemy aircraft) I don't get hit very much in the first place.

3.  Haven't noticed this at all, but I have the same advice as above.  Put a fire extinguisher on your plane and try to minimize how much you get hit by flying to the plane's strengths.

4.  I don't run the wings/tail repair consumable.  The play style of the 262 doesn't really require it, imo.

 

View PostGavel, on 01 January 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

If I fly a Spitfire XIV or the Seafang, I can outgun this piece of junk any day, and make a hellova lot more coin and XP per matchup. So, this leads me to conclude:

  1. Either Wargaming nerfed the tar out of this plane because it WAS a good plane
  2. Or, they need to seriously fix this plane so it has a chance to do some damage to SOMETHING before it dies.

 

It's interesting that you say this.  Looking at your profile, I wouldn't say that you're significantly better in the Spitfire or Seafang than you are in the 262, at least in terms of damage/kills per battle (of course, 3 battles in both 262 and Spitfire is a very small sample size to work with).  I will say that of course you make more money in the Seafang, as making money is kind of the point of having a premium aircraft.



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View PostGavel, on 01 January 2018 - 02:03 PM, said:

I heard so many 'good' reports on the ME 262. So, during the holidays, I unlocked it, and all of its parts. On paper, it looks amazing. But, when you fly it, it is terrible!

 

In every match I play with it, I lose 10 - 18 k so far, even on a win and premium account. I can only seem to do 7k combat damage on a good match, and she turns like a turtle! I can turn my bomber faster than this thing!

 

A breakdown on its flaws (they are many):

  • It's guns are super inaccurate at distance, and require you to close distance, but by the time you do, you're already almost over-running the enemy, giving you very little time to shoot them down. The only way I've seen is to try to hit someone from behind, so you have 1 or 2 more seconds to fire before over-running them. FORGET DOG FIGHTING!
  • It's extremely vulnerable to all types of hits! 
  • It catches fire if you fart too hard.
  • I have to use up 2 or 3 consumables to stop the fires, or getting its wings/tail blown off in 1 or 2 shots.

 

The only things I like about it are the autocannons (if you have time to shoot them), and the rocket spread (really fun on bombers).

 

If I fly a Spitfire XIV or the Seafang, I can outgun this piece of junk any day, and make a hellova lot more coin and XP per matchup. So, this leads me to conclude:

  1. Either Wargaming nerfed the tar out of this plane because it WAS a good plane
  2. Or, they need to seriously fix this plane so it has a chance to do some damage to SOMETHING before it dies. 

 

Suggestion: longer-range on the guns, with a little more accuracy, and a little more turn rate would be nice! The rest I can live with, if at least I get a chance to kill my enemy before they turn and shoot me down with 1 or 2 shots.

 

Seriously, the 262 junk? Granted, it WAS better back in 1.4, but still a decent plane. The tier 9 is much better, and arguably better than the tier 10.

 

Your post is like 4 years too late. Heavies fighters require boom and zoom tactics, and the 262 has amazing boost and ceiling. The guns must be fired when close to the enemy. See in-game hanger for gun range to know when to open fire and do the most damage to your opponent.


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View Postcomtedumas, on 01 January 2018 - 08:36 PM, said:

 

10.  Or instead of being an jerk you could give hims some tips to help him with the 262

 

​Then he would be correct twice






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