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Desmios #1 Posted 28 December 2017 - 02:59 AM

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I can't believe I spent all my free time christmas eve/christmas/the day after christmas and all my christmas money to get this plane only for it to totally suck :(:(:(

I love this game but this really really hurts.

 


Edited by Desmios, 28 December 2017 - 03:02 PM.


SpiritFoxMY #2 Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:04 AM

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Desmios #3 Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:08 AM

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 27 December 2017 - 10:04 PM, said:

Explanations are in order

 

It says it is a fighter but it can't fight.  It turns slower than any other aircraft I've flown, minus my IL-2.  It overheats after 4 shots, it is inaccurate, and it doesn't get kills; only assists.

 

I usually score about 7 - 13k in my fighter's each game; in the J8M, I am breaking about 3.5k.  It is horribad.



Furysghost #4 Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:16 AM

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Ah thats too bad...

l know the feeling l sprung for a XP-58....ugh you think yours is awful



Desmios #5 Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:25 AM

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View PostFurysghost, on 27 December 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

Ah thats too bad...

l know the feeling l sprung for a XP-58....ugh you think yours is awful

 
That feel when hard work doesn't pay off

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Dru83 #6 Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:38 AM

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You need to research the actual plane and learn what it's built for. Learn what it does well and then do that. The J8M, really the Me-163 Komet, was designed for high altitude bomber interception. It's really a glider with a rocket booster. So, in game, it's best at taking out heavies and bombers, especially bomber flights. It's the ultimate boom and zoom. Yeah, the firepower is a little lacking, but that's to be expected as it's as minimal a plane as you can get. It's basically a pilot, two stubby wings, and two cannons sitting on top of a rocket. The gameplay with it is similar to playing the Me-262. It's tricky because of the speed differences, you only get a second or two to aim and shoot at a target before you're already way past it. You're not going to turn with it, you should only turn with it when there is no one anywhere near you. For that matter, vertical turns would almost be better when you can because in a diving vertical turn, at least you'd have a lot of speed, where as a horizontal turn would just slow you down. Speed management is critical. If you run out of speed to close to the enemy, they will quickly take you out.

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Both had strengths in 1.9 that made them very good,not so much anymore

CamuMahubah #8 Posted 28 December 2017 - 03:48 AM

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There is a poster named vonluckner that wrote about using g the radiator to recharge boost.  He said something about diving down on unsuspecting targets.  Slamming on the brakes and getting as many shots on target as per circumstances.  And then boosting straight up and away from said victims if they were still flying.  When you slam on the brakes the radiator would regen boost faster.  The radiator only works when you use the "S" button.  

It sounds like an opportunistic fighter that will grow on you with experience.  

 

 



CamuMahubah #9 Posted 28 December 2017 - 04:24 AM

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http://forum.worldof...the-j8m-shusui/

Quesnel #10 Posted 28 December 2017 - 04:52 AM

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The video maybe from a different era, but could be worth checking out for possible ideas to try in this age....

 



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The J8M was good in 1.9 for its unparalleled climb rate (gains tremendous speed at 90 degree nose up with rocket fired) that can simply outlast most of equal tier enemies and keep up with even tier 9s in vertical battle with good boost management.

 

...that advantage is lost in 2.0 with climb rate universally buffed, and how battles play out that more or less require one to be at 2km or below to effectively play to the objectives. Having only 2 guns doesn't help either, with the advantage that made them so effective now gone.

 

Once a good plane, now a lemon...but it's the only Japanese T8 premium at the moment, and the payout is significant even with little result...



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View PostDesmios, on 28 December 2017 - 02:59 AM, said:

I can't believe I spent all my free time christmas eve/christmas/the day after christmas and all my christmas money to get this plane only for it to totally suck :(:(:(

I love this game but this really really hurts.

 

im sorry, but you should have tried playing with planes that have similar gun characteristics first before buying it., like me 262. I hate 262 thats why I would have never bought it. it gets really tough in higher tiers with short range slow firing weapons.

FlakValleyExpress #13 Posted 28 December 2017 - 12:22 PM

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For comparison, here is a WG RU Developer playing the plane prior to update 2.0+. I never favor the plane, but others did rather highly.

 


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CamuMahubah #14 Posted 28 December 2017 - 01:54 PM

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View PostFlakValleyExpress, on 28 December 2017 - 12:22 PM, said:

For comparison, here is a WG RU Developer playing the plane prior to update 2.0+. I never favor the plane, but others did rather highly.

 

 

That was intense!  We need a mode like that without respawns like a search and destroy mode.

 

I don't have that aircraft in my hangar and it looks way beyond my skill level.   I would have never tried some of the tactics that pilot was using to evade enemy fire.

 

I feeel like I learned something here today from this video but I don't know if I could put this into application in the current meta. 

 

It looks like AA is much stronger in 2.0 and bots always seem to jump me if I try to engage a single enemy.  I feel like I am fighting a mongol horde at all times.



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View PostDesmios, on 27 December 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

I can't believe I spent all my free time christmas eve/christmas/the day after christmas and all my christmas money to get this plane only for it to totally suck :(:(:(

I love this game but this really really hurts.

 

 

Welcome to the world of being ошуканий by WOWP.

 

It's not like you couldn't of asked here first if the J8M was worth buying.

Hell they gave one to everyone that played enough prior to 2.0 & there would have been no shortage of people telling you that it is a turd now.



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View PostPerco_lator, on 28 December 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

Welcome to the world of being ошуканий by WOWP.

 

It's not like you couldn't of asked here first if the J8M was worth buying.

Hell they gave one to everyone that played enough prior to 2.0 & there would have been no shortage of people telling you that it is a turd now.

 

wait I played prior to 2.0 and I didn't get one?

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View PostDesmios, on 28 December 2017 - 10:48 AM, said:

 

wait I played prior to 2.0 and I didn't get one?

 

View PostPerco_lator, on 28 December 2017 - 10:42 AM, said:

 

Welcome to the world of being ошуканий by WOWP.

 

It's not like you couldn't of asked here first if the J8M was worth buying.

Hell they gave one to everyone that played enough prior to 2.0 & there would have been no shortage of people telling you that it is a turd now.

 

149 games in 4 years obviously wasn't quite enough.

You also had to play recently before the release of 2.0.



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J8M is one of the only viable BnZ planes in the current meta.

With horizontal compression, you need to go faster to get farther away quicker. Anything less than a 300km/h discrepancy in velocity between planes won't get you out of gun range fast enough to be an effective zoom. The Komet is one of the only planes that can achieve this, and by extension is a bomber killer without the hitpoints to take out more than one bomber. I like it, but I need to fly it with a cockpit view, and without the silly floaty camera.


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Desmios #20 Posted 28 December 2017 - 09:42 PM

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I'm literally a bomber killer without the hp to take out a bomber




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