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hoom #1 Posted 13 December 2017 - 09:09 AM

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As title: I think Archipelago map is too big for T3 planes.

T3s take ages to get to the spawns because they are too slow -> if you die it takes a really long time to get back into the fight, likewise traversing between caps takes forever.

Also T3s really don't have the height to get up to stop bomber flights.


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Mercsn #2 Posted 13 December 2017 - 12:20 PM

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Any dev who doesn't agree with this needs to play a few full consecutive matches in a Tsh-3 on that map.   IIRC, we're missing at least one lower tier map that could easily fill in, for variety sake.

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LMG #3 Posted 13 December 2017 - 03:59 PM

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On that note, I also find Northern Bridgehead a little too big for tier VI GAAs. My poor IL-2 (t) can't really climb those mountains, and going around takes a very long time :(
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Soylent_Red_Isnt_People #4 Posted 14 December 2017 - 08:03 AM

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View Posthoom, on 13 December 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

Also T3s really don't have the height to get up to stop bomber flights.

Agreed - I have planes at tier VI & VII that can't climb up to bombers, heavy fighters, or jets that aren't even cruising at anywhere near their maximum capability.

Expecting low or mid-tier aircraft to somehow climb up to bombers is questionable when they already cannot usually deal with the neutral Di-6i or AO-192 planes given their typical less than 1,000m altitude rating.

 

Likewise, while the matchmaker in planes is not as bad as in ships, or at least not as often, I've queued a tier II plane a couple of times now only to end up on Scorching Sands because of a single tier III thrown onto each team.

Some mid-tier aircraft cannot contribute on that map, especially if there are no airfields that can be captured; fighting on that map in a low-tier aircraft is painful, even more so if they keep having to respawn from the border.

 

If a tier II can get drug onto Scorching Sands because of a single plane of the appropriate tier being added by the MM, then the possibility exists that those low-tier aircraft can (and will) end up on Archipelago.

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Mercsn #5 Posted 14 December 2017 - 10:43 AM

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Somewhere, deep in a cave near WG headquarters, is a group of devs wearing robes and holding lit candles chanting, "Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp Derp".

 


 

Officially, SerB has stated this is simply part of the "game design process".


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hoom #6 Posted 14 December 2017 - 11:53 PM

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 On that note, I also find Northern Bridgehead a little too big for tier VI GAAs

 Which one is that?

Probably more important is for the bot GAs to learn how to go round mountains.

 

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 Agreed - I have planes at tier VI & VII that can't climb up to bombers, heavy fighters, or jets that aren't even cruising at anywhere near their maximum capability.

 The difference is there are a bunch of other T6/7 planes that can, T3 has literally nothing except maybe Fw-57 & Do-17.


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LMG #7 Posted 15 December 2017 - 12:31 AM

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View Posthoom, on 14 December 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

 Which one is that?

Probably more important is for the bot GAs to learn how to go round mountains.

 

It's the winter map that's like a bunch of valleys interconnected. One of the map variants has 2 comand centers, one central airfield and a garrison that's closer to the bottom team. From experience it has the tallest mountains in the whole game, and there's a lot of them everywhere. I don't have much trouble travelling through the valleys on my IL-8 or my recently purchased ME 265, but my IL-2 (t) and Ju 88 P can't really move around that map :(


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hoom #8 Posted 15 December 2017 - 02:05 AM

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Yeah I just played it again, was the one I was thinking you meant.

It does have very very tall mountains but the valley bottoms are pretty low so I wouldn't have thought it'd be too hard to get around in a GA? I haven't had to try it though.


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Northern Bridgehead? I want to say this is the pre-2.0 ''Observatory'' map, and not the one that had the dam complex.

It also seems to be ''the map'' when I queue any of my tier VIIs, and even for my VIs other than a very rare foray onto Asian Border or Archipelago (which may only have been due to being in a flight with a V).

 

edit: I think the map with a military base in the center is the new Observatory, but the map where an airbase is in the center surrounded by mountains is Alpine or something like that.

Both are ''winter'' though, and thus the only camo I utilize on my tier VIIs.


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Soylent_Red_Isnt_People #10 Posted 17 December 2017 - 10:06 PM

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View PostSoylent_Red_Isnt_People, on 15 December 2017 - 12:09 AM, said:

Northern Bridgehead? I want to say this is the pre-2.0 ''Observatory'' map, and not the one that had the dam complex.

Was paying more attention here yesterday, and Alpine Gambit is the map from pre-2.0 that had the dam complex along the Western border area.

 

And I've also had a couple of games now in a tier II on Archipelago without any airfields because of matchmaker throwing a tier III or two onto each side.


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