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Lt_Haruhi_Suzumiya #21 Posted 06 December 2017 - 10:23 PM

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P-80A was OP, and Will be OP forever unless WG nerf it as hell.

 

I haven't tried my P-80A on 2.0 yet, so..  according to 1.9
That bastard has nearly same basic characteristic from US regular tier 8 LF P-51H Mustang.

but while P-51H is basically minor improvement of Tier 7 P-51D (bit better gun, little bit better engine).

P-80A achieved much better improvement than P-51H achieved. (little bit nerfed version 12.7mm M3 that T10 F-86A uses, and J35 Jet engine which FJ-1 Fury also uses)

If you don't need T10 F-86 or T9 FJ-1.  and not a big fan of P-51 series or even P-47s  ..  but want to do something with good-old Fifty-caliber MG.

Then P-80A is your plane.

OP plane but not recommended to newbies who just started this game.  as same as almost all tier 8 prems in WG universe.

 

but I am bit surprised that you guys can make that good with fifty-cal pew-pew thing.

M3 nearly never overheats, but according to my memories, It's DPS is lower than 20mm machine-cannons or  damn 3sec guns from JL-1A

It can sustaining damage to enemies, but it also makes P-80A takes damage longer from rear-gunner or AA than high DPS, but overheat fast planes.

 

but still, for me. best Tier 8 ever I've had in world of warplanes 1.9, both on T8 prem or all of T8 I've tried.

If I am not busy (everyday life, division 1.8, R6:Siege Y2S4 white noise, World in Conflict from free-giveaways and WOWS HMAS Vampire missions..), and I need to farm creds..  when that days come..  I also will fly with my P-80A.

Can't wait to see how much P-80A's characteristic on new meta 2.0 is changed from old meta 1.9.

 

View PostEinssniper, on 06 December 2017 - 01:59 PM, said:

 

No.1 ranked KAIM_INVICTUS has 74% win rate while an average exp of over 3000.

and wait. 74% win-rate? seriously?  I thought 69.99% is somewhat kinda of sound-barrier thing of win-rate.


I guess, This pilot is worst teammate when you are on match, *Facepalm

 

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I am extremely sad they are finally offering the P80 for sale.  I waited a year for this plane to become available, had they offered it for sale in 1.9 I would have snatched it up in a heartbeat but sadly I don't see a scenario where I would invest another $50 into this game the way it is...

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View PostLt_Haruhi_Suzumiya, on 06 December 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

P-80A was OP, and Will be OP forever unless WG nerf it as hell.

 

I haven't tried my P-80A on 2.0 yet, so..  according to 1.9
That bastard has nearly same basic characteristic from US regular tier 8 LF P-51H Mustang.

but while P-51H is basically minor improvement of Tier 7 P-51D (bit better gun, little bit better engine).

P-80A achieved much better improvement than P-51H achieved. (little bit nerfed version 12.7mm M3 that T10 F-86A uses, and J35 Jet engine which FJ-1 Fury also uses)

If you don't need T10 F-86 or T9 FJ-1.  and not a big fan of P-51 series or even P-47s  ..  but want to do something with good-old Fifty-caliber MG.

Then P-80A is your plane.

OP plane but not recommended to newbies who just started this game.  as same as almost all tier 8 prems in WG universe.

 

but I am bit surprised that you guys can make that good with fifty-cal pew-pew thing.

M3 nearly never overheats, but according to my memories, It's DPS is lower than 20mm machine-cannons or  damn 3sec guns from JL-1A

It can sustaining damage to enemies, but it also makes P-80A takes damage longer from rear-gunner or AA than high DPS, but overheat fast planes.

 

but still, for me. best Tier 8 ever I've had in world of warplanes 1.9, both on T8 prem or all of T8 I've tried.

If I am not busy (everyday life, division 1.8, R6:Siege Y2S4 white noise, World in Conflict from free-giveaways and WOWS HMAS Vampire missions..), and I need to farm creds..  when that days come..  I also will fly with my P-80A.

Can't wait to see how much P-80A's characteristic on new meta 2.0 is changed from old meta 1.9.

 

and wait. 74% win-rate? seriously?  I thought 69.99% is somewhat kinda of sound-barrier thing of win-rate.

 

Once you find the deflection angle on the target, the P-80A melts enemies with all it's firepower centered in the nose rather then the wings like in the tech-tree tier 8s for US. Same reason why I love the XP-75 Eagle.

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View PostTornadoADV, on 06 December 2017 - 06:31 PM, said:

 

Once you find the deflection angle on the target, the P-80A melts enemies with all it's firepower centered in the nose rather then the wings like in the tech-tree tier 8s for US. Same reason why I love the XP-75 Eagle.

 

head-mounted is more accurate, that's why p228 so much better than Javelin

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I am still missing an American premium... so the P80 is a good plane, ja?

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View PostSpiritFoxMY, on 06 December 2017 - 07:27 PM, said:

I am still missing an American premium... so the P80 is a good plane, ja?

 

It's better in every way to the P-51H, the other aircraft of the line may outgun it, but their weapons are in the wings/belly and are slower/less agile. Can't go wrong with the Shooting Star.

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But just like any plane it needs to be flown with the correct tactics to be effective.  In the hands of a wallet warrior it turns into a credit/xp piñata.  When I'm in my J7W1 and they start trying to out turn me I know I am going to have a good day.

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View PostKiwiav8r, on 07 December 2017 - 04:37 PM, said:

But just like any plane it needs to be flown with the correct tactics to be effective.  In the hands of a wallet warrior it turns into a credit/xp piñata.  When I'm in my J7W1 and they start trying to out turn me I know I am going to have a good day.

 

Considering the J7W1 and P-80A both have the same time to turn, it really comes down to who has the better pilot and proper equipment/consumables mounted.

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P80 has good combination of firepower, speed, altitude, and maneuverability.

It's really the one-can-do-all plane--fly high to BNZ on other fighters, catch bombers

and heavy, and turn with multirole. The most versatile is usually the most OP in

experienced hands. Pretty much like obj140 & 62a & t110e5 in tanks, almost every

good clan has those vehicles.



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View PostTornadoADV, on 07 December 2017 - 06:53 PM, said:

 

Considering the J7W1 and P-80A both have the same time to turn, it really comes down to who has the better pilot and proper equipment/consumables mounted.

 

Under low speed P80 might lose, since J7W1 is designed to operate well under low airspeed. J7W1 could also

try to head on with P80, but P80 could also try to disengage, and has the advantage of choosing when

to attack.  P80 has higher roll rate which helps it stay on target more easily. Whereas J7W1 can keep an eye

on GAAs and help a lot for the team.


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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 06 December 2017 - 09:25 PM, said:

WR means squat in this VERSION as it pertains to how skilled one is in dogfighting. You can hang onto that if you want. But, it's empty. You aren't that good. You never were. 

 

Winrate requires knowing what wins battles, and playing for those wins. Things like teamwork, or what locations to cap, in addition to ability to score those caps.

 

Basically, scoring kills and damage are irrelevant on their own; scoring kills and damage that result in the team achieving and maintaining a cap advantage is what wins battles, and is considered 'skill' in the 2.0 meta.

 

 

View PostLt_Haruhi_Suzumiya, on 06 December 2017 - 10:23 PM, said:

and wait. 74% win-rate? seriously?  I thought 69.99% is somewhat kinda of sound-barrier thing of win-rate.

 

I'm over 71% here.


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View PostZergling, on 08 December 2017 - 07:06 AM, said:

 

Winrate requires knowing what wins battles, and playing for those wins. Things like teamwork, or what locations to cap, in addition to ability to score those caps.

 

Basically, scoring kills and damage are irrelevant on their own; scoring kills and damage that result in the team achieving and maintaining a cap advantage is what wins battles, and is considered 'skill' in the 2.0 meta.

 

 

 

I'm over 71% here.

 

True...if it wasn't a bot dominated game. 

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Very strong all around plane, IMO.  It has the maneuverability to tackle most threats in a dogfight.  If it is fighting something with more agility in a dogfight, P80 has the power to easily get away.  Unlike some of those super low-mid level dogfighters, P80 has the ability to go up high and fight just as fine.

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P-80A is a very good plane and fun as hell to fly. Previous reiterations of the game, all you had to do was jump into a ME209, Seafang , or a P51H to give a P80A heartburn. P51H used to be better at high altitude than P80A.

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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 08 December 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

True...if it wasn't a bot dominated game. 

 

Which does not invalidate high winrates being a measurement of skill; it only makes it easier to achieve high winrates.

 

In other words, a 70% winrate player is still better than a 50% winrate player in WoWP, but 70% winrate in WoWP is easier than in WoT.

 



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View PostZergling, on 08 December 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

 

Which does not invalidate high winrates being a measurement of skill; it only makes it easier to achieve high winrates.

 

In other words, a 70% winrate player is still better than a 50% winrate player in WoWP, but 70% winrate in WoWP is easier than in WoT.

 

 

The part that you are missing is that people with a 70% W/R in WOWP have better bots, and the people with a 50% W/R are always on teams with bad bots...

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 08 December 2017 - 07:43 PM, said:

The part that you are missing is that people with a 70% W/R in WOWP have better bots, and the people with a 50% W/R are always on teams with bad bots...

 

I'd like to hear an explanation for how that can happen over hundreds or even thousands of battles.

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View PostZergling, on 08 December 2017 - 03:13 PM, said:

 

I'd like to hear an explanation for how that can happen over hundreds or even thousands of battles.

 

Some people believe it just does, winning has nothing to do with skill.  They have resolved to accept damage per battle and experience as participation trophies.

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 08 December 2017 - 08:34 PM, said:

 

Some people believe it just does, winning has nothing to do with skill.  They have resolved to accept damage per battle and experience as participation trophies.

 

Lets put it this way. If I had as much GA play, Bomber play, and low tier play as you, I'd have a pretty nifty win rate. The system can be gamed for WR now, just like it could in 1.9. So, that's why I don't place emphasis on it. If we had all human teams, then skill would more or less equal WR. XP per battle, for now, is probably the best indicator of skill. When we get a bigger human population, then my opinion will change. 

 

We know what happens when you try games with 100% human populations. It's not pretty. 



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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 08 December 2017 - 03:51 PM, said:

XP per battle, for now, is probably the best indicator of skill.

 

Even that can be gamed if you fly higher tiers more often, which would score higher experience I believe.  The whole stats comparison should be taken with a grain of salt.  It can indicate personal trending, but until everyone is flying the same plane/pilot/map/game mode/flight mate/exact scenario, its unreliable. 


 

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