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ramp4ge #1 Posted 26 October 2017 - 12:56 AM

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Tier 2: Curtiss A-8 Shrike

4 forward 30-cal, 1 rear 30-cal, 4 100-pound bombs.

 

Tier 3: Northrop A-17

4 forward 30-cal, 1 rear 30-cal, 4 250-pound bombs

 

Tier 4: Curtiss A-18 Shrike

4 forward 30-cal, 1 rear 30-cal, 2 500-pound bombs, 2 250-pound bombs

UPGRADE: 4 forward 50-cal

 

Tier 5: Douglas A-20 Havoc

6 forward 50-cal, 2 turreted 50-cal, 6 500-pound bombs

UPGRADE: 2 forward 50-cal replaced with 2 20mm Hispano

UPGRADE: 500-pound bombs replaced with 12 4.5" rockets

 

Tier 6: North American B-25G/H

8 forward 50-cal, 6 turreted 50-cal, 1 forward 75mm cannon, 6 500-pound bombs

UPGRADE: 1 forward 75mm cannon

UPGRADE: 8 5" HVAR rockets

 

Tier 7: Douglas A-26B Invader

14 forward 50-cal, 4 turreted 50-cal, 8 500-pound bombs

UPGRADE: nose 50-cals replaced with 1 75m and 1 37mm cannon

UPGRADE: 14 5" HVAR rockets OR 8 additional under-wing 50-cal

 

Tier 8: Douglas A-1 Skyraider

4 forward 20mm, 1 toilet, 8 500-pound bombs, 12 5" HVAR rockets

 

I don't really know what to put after the A-1 except some 1950s jets, honestly.

 

Also, this would require the premium A-26B be replaced with the A-26C with the pathfinder nose. Or not, really. Could just have the tech tree plane as a separate, upgradable aircraft.

 

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hawkeyededic #2 Posted 26 October 2017 - 01:19 AM

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You could  use an 8-gun A-26B, plus add in the 6 wing guns and underwing stores, that thing would be just plane nasty....

 

Tier-9 the AD2 Skyshark, not a jet but a turboprop, at Tier-10 A4D-1 Skyhawk

 

 

 

Oh and for the Skyraider, don't forget the kitchen sink.


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View PostThat's hawkeyededic, on 25 October 2017 - 05:19 PM, said:

You could  use an 8-gun A-26B, plus add in the 6 wing guns and underwing stores, that thing would be just plane nasty....

 

Tier-9 the AD2 Skyshark, not a jet but a turboprop, at Tier-10 A4D-1 Skyhawk

 

 

 

Oh and for the Skyraider, don't forget the kitchen sink.

 

He's only partly kidding

That's 6 500lb and 2 250lb bombs and a toilet on that Skyraider.


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DICTA BOELCKE for WoWP
    1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking.
    2. Always continue with an attack you have begun
    3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights
    4. You should always try to keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses
    5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind
    6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try run away from his attack, but fly to meet it
    7. When over the enemy's lines, always remember your own line of retreat
    8. It is better to attack in groups of four or six. Avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent

cmholt_2007 #4 Posted 26 October 2017 - 11:08 AM

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Sounds good to me. I like the idea.

Raptor95662 #5 Posted 26 October 2017 - 03:27 PM

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Why not the B25 - A25 with guns? Besides the 4-10 .50 cals there was some that had a freaking artillery piece installed on pilot side. i think was a 105 but I can't remember with out google LOL.

 

There are so many more planes i would love to see as well as features from WOWS. Need to copy the success of that game and stop re-inventing the wheel.



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View PostPogo68, on 25 October 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

 

He's only partly kidding

That's 6 500lb and 2 250lb bombs and a toilet on that Skyraider.

 

I know, they also dropped a kitchen sink from one in Korea.

 

 



 

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View PostRaptor95662, on 26 October 2017 - 07:27 AM, said:

Why not the B25 - A25 with guns? Besides the 4-10 .50 cals there was some that had a freaking artillery piece installed on pilot side. i think was a 105 but I can't remember with out google LOL.

 

There are so many more planes i would love to see as well as features from WOWS. Need to copy the success of that game and stop re-inventing the wheel.

 

It was a 75mm and that's already in the tier 6 recommendation.

 

 



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No. USA has a lot of lines. Britain, and Japan need two lines each first. We also don't mix ordanance here.

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This rose from A-26B being bomber when the designation is attack plane...indeed US already has a lot of lines already, and British haven't got anything save a few prem four years later.

 

...and I sure'd love to drop some Elsan's from British Bombers...



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View Postpyantoryng, on 27 October 2017 - 03:02 AM, said:

This rose from A-26B being bomber when the designation is attack plane...indeed US already has a lot of lines already, and British haven't got anything save a few prem four years later.

 

...and I sure'd love to drop some Elsan's from British Bombers...

 

View PostFog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai, on 27 October 2017 - 01:23 AM, said:

No. USA has a lot of lines. Britain, and Japan need two lines each first. We also don't mix ordanance here.

 

 

It's equally true that we could use another GA line. Do we really need another multirole/fighter line when there are only two GA lines?



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View Postvonluckner, on 28 October 2017 - 02:16 PM, said:

It's equally true that we could use another GA line. Do we really need another multirole/fighter line when there are only two GA lines?

 

Pretty much how I feel. And of them, really, only the Soviets are worth playing. Because IL-2 stronk.



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View Postvonluckner, on 28 October 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

 

 

 

It's equally true that we could use another GA line. Do we really need another multirole/fighter line when there are only two GA lines?

Look up Jellyfish. Japan has some attack or bomber lines it could use and you bet your butt Britain does too.


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View PostFog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai, on 31 October 2017 - 03:11 PM, said:

Look up Jellyfish. Japan has some attack or bomber lines it could use and you bet your butt Britain does too.

 

Absolutely!

 

I'm not saying it must be one or the other, just that they've all been neglected.

 

I think the A-4 makes the most sense for the next GA line. UK needs a Hawker multirole line, Japan a HF or bomber line.



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I thought about the turboprop A-1 for tier 9 and the A-4 for tier 10 but wasn't sure if people would consider the A-4 too modern.

 

so the obvious solution is the Cessna O-1.

 



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It would be hard to put in. Correct me if I am wrong but, the theme at Tier 10 is aircrafts from the 50's.

If so, the US didn't really bother with Ground Attackers all that much. They relied on Fighter-Bombers or Multirole. During the 50's there wasn't something like the Supermarine Scimitar.

I am all for it if they can make it happen though.

jack_wdw #16 Posted 02 November 2017 - 01:22 PM

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I would retain the Douglas A1 skyraider at tier 8, Douglas xb-42/43 at tier 9 and Martin xb-51  at tier10.

The A-4 seems more something for the MF role in Wowp.

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Would the A6 be considered too new?

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View Postramp4ge, on 29 October 2017 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

Pretty much how I feel. And of them, really, only the Soviets are worth playing. Because IL-2 stronk.

 

Hey, I actually like my ridiculously anemic German ground attackers.  They're so bad, but so fun.  But so bad.....but so fun....BUT SO BAD!

 

I approve of a U.S. Ground Attack line.  That said, the devs will need to actually buff ground attackers to be more meaningful towards pushing a base overall.  Right now they don't really meaningfully impact bases compared to shooting down targets with a light fighter, and I find that to be a serious design and balance problem.



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I kinda favour having an attacker line based on US Navy bombers; unlike other attackers, they would focus more on bombs than guns, so probably have a quicker bomb reload than other attackers.

 

Roughly, something like this:

Tier 4: SB2U Vindicator

Tier 5: SBD Dauntless

Tier 6: SB2C Helldiver

Tier 7: BTD Destroyer

Tier 8: AD/A-1 Skyraider

Tier 9: A2D Skyshark

Tier 10: A4D-1/A-4A Skyhawk

 

The A-4 Skyhawk is iffy; the plane ended up being comparable to the MiG-17, but the early A/B/C versions had a much weaker engine than the E and later, so it just might work.

I'd also make these planes a fair bit faster and more agile than other attackers, but not as durable (and from T7 onwards they don't have rear gunners).

 

 

Could even some alternates that are US Navy torpedo bombers (minus torpedoes; they'd carry bombs instead). Versus the Dive bomber/Attackers above, they'd be slower but have better bombload and gunners.

 

Tier 5: TBD Devastator

Tier 6: TBF Avenger

Tier 7: XTB2D Skypirate

 

Technically, the BTD and AD were combination dive/torpedo bombers, as was the BTC, BT2C, BTK and BTM/AM of that time... which reminds me that there is a LOT of alternate planes; the USN had a bunch of bombers in the works, with many that made flying prototype stage before they were cancelled due to the war ending. Some like the BTD and AM even had a limited time in service.

There's also the Boeing XF8B, which was a very heavy naval fighter that could carry a 6400 lb bombload (or a pair of torpedoes).

 

And there's the less famous dive/torpedo bombers that were produced in some numbers, like the TBY Sea Wolf, SB2A Buccaneer and A-31 Vengeance (not a naval plane).

 



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Most of those planes (divebomber, torpedobomber) don't meet the firepower requirements for a GA, but some could fit in the MF role (skyhawk, xf8b).
A-4 is impossible as TierX GAA . Are you gonna give 1000+ hp points to the tiny skyhawk in Tier X knowing that it will outmanoeuvre most of the planes at that tier.

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