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SkywhaleExpress #1 Posted 18 October 2017 - 01:56 PM

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So, basically... y’all need to get over yourselves. 

 

So and so being less skilled in strict air to air combat engagement, BnZ, etc.... are equally important to the win now, plain and simple.

 

Those whom prefer bombing and/or escorting bombers can have thst... 

Those whom prefer air to air combat only can still have it.

Those who like to bomb/rocket/beer cannon the enemy can still do t....

 

 

However, if you care about your precious win rate and “PvP stats at the same time, best get used to either covering your bombers/IL’s, or seriously contend with the enemy’s....

 

Because Warthunder like respawns are here... Survival rate is no longer there. Your performance rating in all areas have changed to average per game, etc....

 

Can’t have a true SR with the respawns...

 

 

 

 

Now, SAME goes for us IL drivers (even those of us who emphasis PvP first...” 

Quit whining about skilled fighter pilots and/or OP flights... With the new ststem, there’s no such thing. Your contribution on the ground, and then assisting in the PvP holding of the GA zones is crucial to the win... you get to feel important and necessary for the dynamic win of the battle.

 

 

 

Oh, and literally, win rate doesn’t matter anymore. Coming fromsomeone whom is equal parts ground slammer and top-100 (still, after two years gone..) win rate on the server...

 

It’s just like having a work/life balance in the real world.... you gotta do what it takes to win if you want... but now we get to enjoy it too....

 

 

 



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CamoCladWarrior #2 Posted 18 October 2017 - 04:00 PM

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The arcade capture the flag [edited]sucks plain and simple, no desire to play anymore...  If this is the style of play I wanted I would have been playing WT which does it better...  I reinstalled this turd at the request of my clan mates to stick it out in the hope it will improve but given the level of tone deafness already by the powers that be I don't see it improving sadly...  They took a good game that had some minor flaws and completely replaced it with something that sucks.  Other than the intro video I have not found one thing I can honestly say I like better about this turd...

 



MelBrooks #3 Posted 18 October 2017 - 04:22 PM

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I appreciate the feedback from Skywhale. He really does know what he is talking about. Unfortunately we have had way too many old alpha testers who were not so good at the first reiteration, come back and praise the new version. Most of them did not know what they were doing in the first time. Note, I did not say all. Wargaming had to do this if there was any chance of saving the title. If this new game mode and direction is working for them, fantastic. You can't make everyone happy. I've said my peace and will be watching to see how things go.

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SkywhaleExpress #4 Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:53 PM

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Yeah, I am watching as well. 

 

I do, however, feel as if there should be some higher percentage to thw contribution of air to air combat. 2.0 does seem like they went far too much over to the PvE participation trophy side... but hey, if their numbers meet up to scrutiny, it would ne great.



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SkywhaleExpress #5 Posted 18 October 2017 - 09:55 PM

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View PostCamoCladWarrior, on 18 October 2017 - 10:00 AM, said:

The arcade capture the flag [edited]sucks plain and simple, no desire to play anymore...  If this is the style of play I wanted I would have been playing WT which does it better...  I reinstalled this turd at the request of my clan mates to stick it out in the hope it will improve but given the level of tone deafness already by the powers that be I don't see it improving sadly...  They took a good game that had some minor flaws and completely replaced it with something that sucks.  Other than the intro video I have not found one thing I can honestly say I like better about this turd...

 

 

I wouldn’t say it full on blows, as it is something that both air to air and air to grond players have been wanting.... Some more actual legitimacy to the attacker roles, other than the lol ikillfighturz w/my bomburz.

 

However, I think it takes too much away from thebair to air.



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CamoCladWarrior #6 Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:03 PM

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View PostSkywhaleExpress, on 18 October 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

 

I wouldn’t say it full on blows, as it is something that both air to air and air to grond players have been wanting.... Some more actual legitimacy to the attacker roles, other than the lol ikillfighturz w/my bomburz.

 

However, I think it takes too much away from thebair to air.

 

I am sick of taking out 10, 12 15 planes, dying once, and while unable to respawn watch my team lose.  It is a joke, if I wanted this [edited]I would have bough an Xbox...  It is a crapsandwich.

 



SkywhaleExpress #7 Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:14 PM

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View PostCamoCladWarrior, on 18 October 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

I am sick of taking out 10, 12 15 planes, dying once, and while unable to respawn watch my team lose.  It is a joke, if I wanted this [edited]I would have bough an Xbox...  It is a crapsandwich.

 

 

That’s part of my “i think some of it went too far to the left”


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mnbv_fockewulfe #8 Posted 18 October 2017 - 10:54 PM

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Do you think manually setting the bomb fuse for high alt bombers might be considered "too difficult".

Be sure to check your logic privileges before posting on the forum.

 

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Bubonic4U #9 Posted 18 October 2017 - 11:45 PM

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View PostSkywhaleExpress, on 18 October 2017 - 08:56 AM, said:

So, basically... y’all need to get over yourselves. 

 

So and so being less skilled in strict air to air combat engagement, BnZ, etc.... are equally important to the win now, plain and simple.

 

Those whom prefer bombing and/or escorting bombers can have thst... 

Those whom prefer air to air combat only can still have it.

Those who like to bomb/rocket/beer cannon the enemy can still do t....

 

 

However, if you care about your precious win rate and “PvP stats at the same time, best get used to either covering your bombers/IL’s, or seriously contend with the enemy’s....

 

Because Warthunder like respawns are here... Survival rate is no longer there. Your performance rating in all areas have changed to average per game, etc....

 

Can’t have a true SR with the respawns...

 

 

 

 

Now, SAME goes for us IL drivers (even those of us who emphasis PvP first...” 

Quit whining about skilled fighter pilots and/or OP flights... With the new ststem, there’s no such thing. Your contribution on the ground, and then assisting in the PvP holding of the GA zones is crucial to the win... you get to feel important and necessary for the dynamic win of the battle.

 

 

 

Oh, and literally, win rate doesn’t matter anymore. Coming fromsomeone whom is equal parts ground slammer and top-100 (still, after two years gone..) win rate on the server...

 

It’s just like having a work/life balance in the real world.... you gotta do what it takes to win if you want... but now we get to enjoy it too....

 

 

 

 

Again, as i said in another forum post, Testers represent the company, so your introductory insult to those of us who feel put off by this overhaul is felt as if it were from the company itself.  These are being screencapped to show how abrasive WoWP is being in trying to force people into giving up something they loved for something they never asked for.  I think you, and WG, are missing the point of peoples frustrations altogether and it will cost them in the end... 



SkywhaleExpress #10 Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:13 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 18 October 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

Do you think manually setting the bomb fuse for high alt bombers might be considered "too difficult".

 

No, and it would be interesting to see a good long delay, and then a few planes flying over the bomb blast seconds later haha.


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SkywhaleExpress #11 Posted 19 October 2017 - 02:16 PM

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View PostBubonic4U, on 18 October 2017 - 05:45 PM, said:

 

Again, as i said in another forum post, Testers represent the company, so your introductory insult to those of us who feel put off by this overhaul is felt as if it were from the company itself.  These are being screencapped to show how abrasive WoWP is being in trying to force people into giving up something they loved for something they never asked for.  I think you, and WG, are missing the point of peoples frustrations altogether and it will cost them in the end... 

Hey, I’ve been very much for the player base. And, if I were paid by WG, I sure haven’t seen the money.

 

My comments here aren’t necessarily for or against the 2.0 model... just about how the “top fighter/heavy players” and the “casual GA” player treat each other.



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View PostBubonic4U, on 18 October 2017 - 07:45 PM, said:

 

Again, as i said in another forum post, Testers represent the company, so your introductory insult to those of us who feel put off by this overhaul is felt as if it were from the company itself.  These are being screencapped to show how abrasive WoWP is being in trying to force people into giving up something they loved for something they never asked for.  I think you, and WG, are missing the point of peoples frustrations altogether and it will cost them in the end... 

 

All alpha and closed beta testers got from WG was ignored and a couple free planes at launch.

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