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Razzopper #21 Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:30 PM

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I'll take a second to say hi and show some respect to the guys who stuck with the game through everything. Frankly, I've avoided posting seeing other "newbie" post getting blasted by some really salty people. I tried WoWP a couple of times in the past. I think I had 150 or so pre 2.0 games. I was really involved with WoT during the WoWP beta and didn't put much time in and when I came back the meta was being sealclubbed at tier 1 by guys with tier 10 pilots. Not fun.

 

I saw some of the hype about 2.0 and decided to try it. It is simple, it is arcade-y, but I like it. I can relax and have fun and nobody is $hit talking me for being new at it. Now seal clobbers because we're all seals now. Hope to learn from and meet some of the older folks in the coming days. Look Forward to seeing where it goes. Am really glad to get to play those low tier premiums I bought way back when and always considered a write off. Keep up the good work Mugsy!


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MelBrooks #22 Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:49 PM

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I understand what you did, and actually am very glad to see an effort to save the game. You know the other title Mugsy, I'll not mention it. I can see conquest mode becoming a good base to build on. The current flight mechanics and physics just does me in, that's not a criticism, but a comment on my own personal preferences, everyone is different. As you grow the game, I'll be watching to see the game mode expansion ( ranked battles, death matches up to 10 on 10, end game content ) and as your new player base matures the need for more sophiscated flight mechanics might need to arise. I'm not saying 1.9 and earlier versions were great flight mechanics, but you did have the sense of speed and control or loss of it. I'll be watching as things develop.

Mugsy_ #23 Posted 17 October 2017 - 08:53 PM

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View PostMelBrooks, on 17 October 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

I understand what you did, and actually am very glad to see an effort to save the game. You know the other title Mugsy, I'll not mention it. I can see conquest mode becoming a good base to build on. The current flight mechanics and physics just does me in, that's not a criticism, but a comment on my own personal preferences, everyone is different. As you grow the game, I'll be watching to see the game mode expansion ( ranked battles, death matches up to 10 on 10, end game content ) and as your new player base matures the need for more sophiscated flight mechanics might need to arise. I'm not saying 1.9 and earlier versions were great flight mechanics, but you did have the sense of speed and control or loss of it. I'll be watching as things develop.

 

I understand, I appreciate you continuing to keep us in your awareness as we build on this base. 

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View PostMugsy_, on 17 October 2017 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

I understand, I appreciate you continuing to keep us in your awareness as we build on this base. 

 

Still in the chocolate business?

 

We conversed many years ago and I'm still chugging along in chocolate. 


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IF OTHERS WOULD FLY THE WAY I TELL THEM TOO.

If ONLY THEY WOULD DO AS I SAY.

 


Mugsy_ #25 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:03 PM

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View PostRazzopper, on 17 October 2017 - 12:30 PM, said:

I'll take a second to say hi and show some respect to the guys who stuck with the game through everything. Frankly, I've avoided posting seeing other "newbie" post getting blasted by some really salty people. 

 

Hello,

I am aware that new players or returning players who are enjoying the changes have faced a harsh reception and frankly directed their appreciation towards Social Media, Reddit, and Forum PMs rather than feeling comfortable openly discussing their thoughts on the forums. While we do understand feelings were running hot over the weekend we cannot continue to allow that to be part of the experience people are having in the forums and we'll be moderating personal attacks moving forward.



Mugsy_ #26 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:04 PM

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View PostClickez4Fun, on 17 October 2017 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

Still in the chocolate business?

 

We conversed many years ago and I'm still chugging along in chocolate. 

 

No, got addicted to Game Dev. haha. How are you Prankster (right?)?

Bubba_Zanetti #27 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:13 PM

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View PostMugsy_, on 17 October 2017 - 04:03 PM, said:

 

Hello,

I am aware that new players or returning players who are enjoying the changes have faced a harsh reception and frankly directed their appreciation towards Social Media, Reddit, and Forum PMs rather than feeling comfortable openly discussing their thoughts on the forums. While we do understand feelings were running hot over the weekend we cannot continue to allow that to be part of the experience people are having in the forums and we'll be moderating personal attacks moving forward.

 

Oh.  So this is the patch notes?  We're now playing forum game 2.oh-one?

 

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View PostMugsy_, on 17 October 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

 

​Hello,

I can confirm that 2.0 is doing well, we've seen exponentially more people online and we're working hard to continue the positive trends.

 

May wanna check the online player status ......

 

Since the 12th the population has dropped to half of what it was.....138 online was the highest I saw

 

In my 2 clans alone I am lucky to see someone other than myself online and i may have 3-5 contacts if I am lucky.

 

What type of proof do you have that states otherwise because i'd like to see that

 

 

as for answering only positive threads....well that would seem easier considering there are very few of them :teethhappy:

 

 


 

 

         


Mugsy_ #29 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:19 PM

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 17 October 2017 - 01:13 PM, said:

 

Oh.  So this is the patch notes?  We're now playing forum game 2.oh-one?

 

​I don't understand what you are saying but please don't interpret my statement as a challenge, we want everyone to feel comfortable expressing their opinions on our forums without fearing how others will respond. We definitely wanted to give folks room to vent and express how they were impacted but we also need to dial in moderation now so people don't feel targeted or bullied for how they feel.

Mugsy_ #30 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:23 PM

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View PostTeamTerrible, on 17 October 2017 - 01:16 PM, said:

 

May wanna check the online player status ......

 

Since the 12th the population has dropped to half of what it was.....138 online was the highest I saw

 

In my 2 clans alone I am lucky to see someone other than myself online and i may have 3-5 contacts if I am lucky.

 

What type of proof do you have that states otherwise because i'd like to see that

as for answering only positive threads....well that would seem easier considering there are very few of them :teethhappy:

 

 

 

Your information is not correct. We are experiencing substantially more players online, high peak concurrency, and while some folks do not like the change, many others are enjoying 2.0

We know that there are additional updates, content, and features we need and intend to implement but we see 2.0 as a positive step forward in a new direction.

 



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View PostMugsy_, on 17 October 2017 - 02:05 PM, said:

 

Hello Pilots,

 

Many of you have been with World of Warplanes since release or even before. You might remember WG folks like Hathore, Yoott, TzarIvan, and I from back in the day. Years later, I am very glad to be here discussing changes to the game rather than a closure announcement. This update is a testament to Wargaming’s commitment to our games and to you our players.

 

This recent update introduced many sweeping changes to the game with the goal of improving the gaming experience of the average person. We understand that some of these changes might be unpopular with players who have grown accustomed to World of Warplanes as it has been over the last few years but in an effort to increase the number of people enjoying World of Warplanes we are committed to this new direction. I understand how this might make you feel, but staying the course was no longer an option.

 

That being said, good things are coming. In the coming months, we will be implementing a variety of features, content and UI improvements including adding manual flaps, introducing a Deathmatch mode, and adding UI features such as an artificial horizon. We also have plans for special events and ranked battles which will be a great time for our competitive Aces. http://blog.worldofwarplanes.com/indev/world-warplanes-20-new-beginning/

 

This update also means an increased commitment from both the development and publishing arms of Wargaming to reinvigorate our game and our community. You will see more staff involvement, more promotions, more partnerships, more content, and more game updates. But most importantly, you should see new pilots to battle against. We genuinely appreciate the devotion and support you have shown to World of Warplanes and also to our community here. Our hope is that you will give the new game a chance and give room for new people who might like the changes.

 

Thank you,

Mugsy

 

doubtful that new pilots will stick around, as you just rebadged Warthunder.

 

Second, the only thing you need to do to make loyal customers happy is return the same broken game that was here in 1.9 with the improved graphics.

 

Put standard battles back in play, and call this new mode "Super bad arcade mode that no one but baddies enjoy, but please give us  money badies because you suck so bad we appreciate it and don't want to piss off those whoa ctualy invested in this game and continue to give WG money."

 

 

Seriously though,

 

Add Standard battle back, with all the previous mechanics, with the improved graphics, but the old sound, and no auto aim. Everyone will be happy. Feel free to continue to develop this new game mode for new players; but, let those of us who don't enjoy it, enjoy the game we spent money on. Thanks.



dityboycom #32 Posted 17 October 2017 - 09:32 PM

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View PostMugsy_, on 17 October 2017 - 05:23 PM, said:

 

Your information is not correct. We are experiencing substantially more players online, high peak concurrency, and while some folks do not like the change, many others are enjoying 2.0

We know that there are additional updates, content, and features we need and intend to implement but we see 2.0 as a positive step forward in a new direction.

 

 

I guess you guys have the liberty to report whatever player statistics you so please, as it is hidden now. I don't doubt that you have players returning to check in, and new players signing up. Good for them; but, there is a reason thousands have hung out for this game. It was not Warthunder.

 

 

Reward us for funding your failures for 3-5 years by not punishing us with a game we have no interest in playing.



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Can we have a new sub forum titled Crusty Old Vets Venting forum?  Maybe that'll satisfy all concerns?

 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 17 October 2017 - 05:34 PM, said:

Can we have a new sub forum titled Crusty Old Vets Venting forum?  Maybe that'll satisfy all concerns?

 

Yes please!

 

Along with optional 50% refunds!



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View PostMugsy_, on 17 October 2017 - 04:23 PM, said:

 

Your information is not correct. We are experiencing substantially more players online, high peak concurrency, and while some folks do not like the change, many others are enjoying 2.0

We know that there are additional updates, content, and features we need and intend to implement but we see 2.0 as a positive step forward in a new direction.

 

 

and again...where is your proof?

 

 

         


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View PostTeamTerrible, on 17 October 2017 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

and again...where is your proof?

 

What would you find as acceptable proof, TT?  Keep in mind that you're not taking Mugsy at his word; a guy who has always been up front and a straight shooter when talking directly with us, all the way back to Alpha.

 

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View PostMugsy_, on 17 October 2017 - 04:19 PM, said:

 

​I don't understand what you are saying but please don't interpret my statement as a challenge, we want everyone to feel comfortable expressing their opinions on our forums without fearing how others will respond. We definitely wanted to give folks room to vent and express how they were impacted but we also need to dial in moderation now so people don't feel targeted or bullied for how they feel.

 

is that why multiple posts have been deleted?

 

At this point I could care less if you are trying to hide something.

 

Take in mind though your truly loyal players who have been put through some of this game's least favorable moments feel disrespected and are still looking at one of WG's favorite words......"hope"

 

Most of these jackwagons will be leaving again as well your new breed so give this some thought before you gather the strength to reply.

 

and yeah sorry if i seem to be coming off strong but when I smell b.s i tend to grab the dictionary.

 

 


 

 

         


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View PostMagusGerhardt, on 17 October 2017 - 05:47 PM, said:

 

What would you find as acceptable proof, TT?  Keep in mind that you're not taking Mugsy at his word; a guy who has always been up front and a straight shooter when talking directly with us, all the way back to Alpha.

 

Reputation is irrelevant, this is a new beginning. Also, WG has lied to us plenty over the years, it's okay to question things we cannot see.

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View PostMagusGerhardt, on 17 October 2017 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

What would you find as acceptable proof, TT?  Keep in mind that you're not taking Mugsy at his word; a guy who has always been up front and a straight shooter when talking directly with us, all the way back to Alpha.

 

we do have a server status webpage....lets see if his matches ours.

 

 


 

 

         


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View Postdityboycom, on 17 October 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

 

Reputation is irrelevant, this is a new beginning. Also, WG has lied to us plenty over the years, it's okay to question things we cannot see.

 

Reputation is quite relevant; Mugsy has never misrepresented or directly misled us before.  He was never the frontman for an untruth; others got that distinction in the past, and he's higher up the chain now than before, so pardon my reluctance to think that he's being used as a throwaway here and now.   And question all you want; I was asking what would be accepted as proof for something that can't be made public since the word of a rep with no record of lying apparently isn't good enough.

 

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