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Mammoth_Tank_MKI #21 Posted 15 October 2017 - 05:35 PM

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View PostDarkDaVinci, on 15 October 2017 - 05:28 PM, said:

 

:sceptic: or like u...

 

Might need new glasses because I don't see your point here.

DarkDaVinci #22 Posted 15 October 2017 - 05:36 PM

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View PostMammoth_Tank_MKI, on 15 October 2017 - 05:35 PM, said:

 

Might need new glasses because I don't see your point here.

 

in time boy u will understand. go to play 2.o.

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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 15 October 2017 - 05:00 PM, said:

 

So, is WG creating fake accounts, slapping alpha/beta tester tags on them, and then using them as some sort of propaganda tool? That is what it smells like to me. Not one of these dwellers that crawled out from under their rocks has been even minutely recognizable. 

 

I'll trust my own opinion and those of the other respected players here. 2.0 may not be complete utter garbage, but it's close. 

 

I gotta be honest with ya I cant see any other thing that would make sense , they talk about company profit and the dying revenue , noobs wont take the forum beating these guys are taking and stick around any way gonna have fun with them before Im kicked off There was some wicked battles that can never be resumed . In the history of Comp Flying games this one was  one for the online history books.

mavfin87 #24 Posted 15 October 2017 - 08:49 PM

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Wow.  You guys who won't let go need a LOT more tinfoil.

 

Absurd.  Pathetic. Hilarious.  All of those come to mind about you.  Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically 'created for propaganda' by WG.  Again, hilarious.  How insular can a group of people be?  

 

I think I know now why 1.x tanked.  If you were the 'majority' population, no wonder no one wanted to play with you, except other a-holes just like you.  

 

Have a nice day, gentlemen, and have another week or two whining that you didn't get your way.  Better that you're being toxic here, than in the game.  

 

 



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sure thing marvin if thats your real name ... the only one who knows your not really paranoid is the guy following you.

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View PostFlakValleyExpress, on 15 October 2017 - 11:57 AM, said:

OP which version of WoWP did you first start playing in? Or is it just version 2.0?  And BTW WoWP has always been an arcade game. Its use to be on a level for adults, but now its at elementary school or slow adult levels.

 

I beta tested it, and played it for the first half year of its existance out of closed beta.
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I haven't played since 1.4. This version has got me playing again. No matter what I do in war thunder, I can't get my joystick to function well enough to compete with mousers, and I don't enjoy the "ultra realism" battles enough to bother with those. So WOWP has been my only option, which means 1.5 killed it for me. I am still waiting on Star Citizen as well, if it ever comes out. So 2.0 isn't as good as 1.4, but it is a step in the right direction. Maybe one day War Thunder will make joysticks competitive, but it isn't this day.

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View PostUraniumOverdose, on 16 October 2017 - 06:33 AM, said:

Maybe one day War Thunder will make joysticks competitive, but it isn't this day.

 

I'm in the same position with WT with this. It's the only reason why I haven't fully switched over there. There's an obvious favouritism towards Mouse/Keyboard vs Joystick. Can't imagine why their developers won't further improve the support for joystick to be more user friendly.

 


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mavfin87 #29 Posted 15 October 2017 - 10:20 PM

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View Postkodiakalpha, on 15 October 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

 

​Define "most".  There is a very vocal but small group of very experienced players who dislike it.  I get that it is different and you liked it better before.  For that matter, I liked it the way it was before, but I like this as well, and, more importantly, new people are enjoying it as well.  There had to be a big enough change to get interest from new population or this was going nowhere.

 

Yeah, there's a small group of veterans who have deluded themselves that they speak for everyone, but they actually only speak for some portion of the 500 who actually logged into 1.9 regularly.  And, as you say, that wasn't enough to keep the lights on.

 



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View Postmavfin87, on 16 October 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

Yeah, there's a small group of veterans who have deluded themselves that they speak for everyone, but they actually only speak for some portion of the 500 who actually logged into 1.9 regularly.  And, as you say, that wasn't enough to keep the lights on.

 

And you're deluded into thinking that 500 figure is the entire makeup of the 3 regions: NA, EU, RU. Where infact all 3 regions have displayed the same, if not greater levels of dissatisfaction towards 2.0. Not convinced? Read their forums. It's all there. It's not just here.


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View PostLady_Athena, on 15 October 2017 - 05:32 AM, said:

Reading through the 2.0 feedback thread is giving me cancer. I don't get 9/10 of the complaints.

 

1) "Gee WGing thanks for making the game an arcade and even more simple"

 

Wasn't this game already uber arcady? You don't play Wargame Games for simulations. World of Warships, World of Tanks, none of them are remotely realistic, and 0% simulations. Why are people whining about this as a reason 2.0 sucks?

 

2) "New game mode sucks!"

 

Really? I find it enjoyable, and interactive. It gives better reason for different types of aircraft to exist in the battle. Before it was more or less zerg the ground targets as a ground attack plane, before you get rofl stomped by a fighter. leave battle, play another.


Wasn't fun. Fighters were the only real way to go, with multi role being ok but ultimately useless in the over all scheme of things in comparison.

 

3) "New game mode is confusing"

 

Really? I haven't played WoWp in 3 years, this is brand new to everyone including me, plus most of the mechanics are like I'm baby new to this. Yet I had no trouble in 2 minutes figuring this uber simplistic game modes out. Pressing F1, and reading the tips, and also reading the tips during the loading screen gave me more than enough information to know where I should be, what I should do, etc. And once I pressed Tab I found out about the ranking system, and how that works rather easily.

 

Then again I take 2 minutes to read whats in front of me... which is more than most people these days it seems.

 

4) "xx.xx version was better!"

 

Yea, that's why WoWp was considered a colossal failure for 3+ years right? Because it was so much superior...

 

Sure the game feels arcady, It is an arcade game after all, and never claimed to be anything else. It plays smooth and well for an arcade game, with obvious easy directions of what needs to be done for anyone who takes 2 seconds to read the text in front of them.

 

Strategy and tactics actually play a bigger role in the new game modes. I find having several planes of the same tier lined up to switch and counter what the enemy is doing can be a major turning point and result in victories for my team.

 

I've ran CAP for a bomber, or ground assault player, just picked a player and protected him from enemy fighters in my 109 while he strafed ground targets. We won 500-0 They couldn't stop him, or me, because I used my 109 to climb high, dive down, keep enemies off his tail, etc.

 

You can argue "oh but they're mostly bots" So? Because another big complaint is "I feel like I don't make as big of an impact in games anymore"...

 

Yes you do, or can.. just takes more strategy and tactics than before. So there goes that "its more simplified" argument out the window too..

 

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I like 2.0. Huge improvement over what it used to be.

 

The only argument I can accept that I've seen are 2 things.

 

1) The CBT (apparently there was one? I didn't know there was), had things that were better and most people felt were better. Fair enough.

 

2) They simply liked the older WoWp better.. While I highly disagree with this opinion, its just that, an opinion and is fair enough.

 

But the other complaints? :child:

 

 

 

1.This game was an alternative to Warthunder, now it is Warthunder.

 

2. It doesn't sound like you really understood how standard battles worked, which really nullifies the rest of your post, as an obvious reason you like the game now. You get to mindlessly fly around and do stuff, and your contribution doesn't really impact the outcome; but, you get to see whatever score you care about real high, and feel satisfied.

 

3. People complained when Wargaming made a dynamic Supremacy system, you really think they will be able to comprehend capture the flag, mixed in with 8 other game modes at the same time. You can kill all the planes in the game 8 times over and still lose becaus eyour bots never got on the right flag.

 

4. Wargaming has failed long before most of us still playing started playing. As some alpha player said "ONLY US NON 200 + Gamers know!"  There are certain phases of their failures which were more popular than others. One thing for certain, is every itteration instead of making slight changes and rolling people into new games, graphics, and sounds: we were left to feel like we were playing a brand new game every major update. 1.5, 1.6, 1.7, 1.8, 1.9, and now 2.0.

 

 

 

 

From my complaint fest I've had with my homies, anecdotal I know;but, the consensus is if wargaming had released these graphics, and this game mode as an alternative ( Does it really matter, as bots fill all the games anyway?). Leaving Standard battle in tact with UI interfaces, controls, and supremacy. No one would be upset. New players could play the mode they enjoy so much because they don't actually care about the outcome, and the players who have waited patiently, and paid 10's of thousands of dollars into this game awaiting a decent update can enjoy the new changes, without the game mode, horrendous interface, and auto aim.

 



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View Postmavfin87, on 15 October 2017 - 12:49 PM, said:

Wow.  You guys who won't let go need a LOT more tinfoil.

 

Absurd.  Pathetic. Hilarious.  All of those come to mind about you.  Anyone who disagrees with you is automatically 'created for propaganda' by WG.  Again, hilarious.  How insular can a group of people be?  

 

I think I know now why 1.x tanked.  If you were the 'majority' population, no wonder no one wanted to play with you, except other a-holes just like you.  

 

Have a nice day, gentlemen, and have another week or two whining that you didn't get your way.  Better that you're being toxic here, than in the game.  

 

 

 

We live in a world where governments and others created fake accounts on social media to assist in winning a national election.

Where companies create fake accounts on social media to sell their products.

 

So having a company create fake accounts on it's own forum, would not be out of the realm of possibility.


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mavfin87 #33 Posted 15 October 2017 - 11:50 PM

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View PostPogo68, on 15 October 2017 - 11:46 PM, said:

 

We live in a world where governments and others created fake accounts on social media to assist in winning a national election.

Where companies create fake accounts on social media to sell their products.

 

So having a company create fake accounts on it's own forum, would not be out of the realm of possibility.

 

I doubt that an actual WG account would say what I have.  But, once accused, there's no way to prove that I'm not.  i.e. gullty until proven innocent, and no way to prove innocence that will be believed by the tinfoil hat brigade.  So, I just laugh at their absurdity.

 

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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 15 October 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

 

So, is WG creating fake accounts, slapping alpha/beta tester tags on them, and then using them as some sort of propaganda tool? That is what it smells like to me. Not one of these dwellers that crawled out from under their rocks has been even minutely recognizable. 

 

I'll trust my own opinion and those of the other respected players here. 2.0 may not be complete utter garbage, but it's close. 

 

Check the time I've put into WoT and WoWS, and unfortunately the time I've put into alpha and CBT no longer shows up here.

 

EDIT:  Oh, and GhostPrime can tell you I'm very real since he met me at the D-Day Ohio player gathering.


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Oi look at this; people with 10 or 20 battles coming back.

 

You may like it. Cool. But you weren't one of the few people keeping the game alive for the past 3 years, and our views are completely voerlooked. JUst look at the official poll. 

 

Some of us like it or at least don't mind it. But the majority hate it.

 

I get many of you are WoWS players. Hell I play it. But WoWP was always a small group of people who kept it alive. Sure we were pessimistic, hated the game, etc. But it was OUR game to be pessimistic and complain about, and it was better than this. There is a difference between arcade and this roll your face on the keyboard simulator.


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The (not so) amazing Chokai is back! And he's hit all his personal goals sans one! Seriously though, nice to be back, looks like he game is improving. I continue to try to recruit new people.


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View PostFog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai, on 15 October 2017 - 06:03 PM, said:

Oi look at this; people with 10 or 20 battles coming back.

 

You may like it. Cool. But you weren't one of the few people keeping the game alive for the past 3 years, and our views are completely voerlooked. JUst look at the official poll. 

 

Some of us like it or at least don't mind it. But the majority hate it.

 

I get many of you are WoWS players. Hell I play it. But WoWP was always a small group of people who kept it alive. Sure we were pessimistic, hated the game, etc. But it was OUR game to be pessimistic and complain about, and it was better than this. There is a difference between arcade and this roll your face on the keyboard simulator.

 

Obviously not enough players for WG, not to consider a complete change to the game, in hopes of bringing in enough new players to keep the alive. 

 

Discounting anyone with a differing opinion is the vocal minorities only option at this point. The game needed change and WG made changes to their game, not yours. There's nothing stopping any of you from developing/producing your own game with the gameplay mechanics you desire. 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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IF OTHERS WOULD FLY THE WAY I TELL THEM TOO.

If ONLY THEY WOULD DO AS I SAY.

 


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View PostTedster_, on 15 October 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

 

Check the time I've put into WoT and WoWS, and unfortunately the time I've put into alpha and CBT no longer shows up here.

 

EDIT:  Oh, and GhostPrime can tell you I'm very real since he met me at the D-Day Ohio player gathering.

 

Here you go (948):


 

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Interesting, didn't realize that was there.  Thanks :)

 

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View PostClickez4Fun, on 16 October 2017 - 02:17 AM, said:

  

 

Obviously not enough players for WG, not to consider a complete change to the game, in hopes of bringing in enough new players to keep the alive. 

 

Discounting anyone with a differing opinion is the vocal minorities only option at this point. The game needed change and WG made changes to their game, not yours. There's nothing stopping any of you from developing/producing your own game with the gameplay mechanics you desire. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying alot of old plpayers are going to leave. The new version is a knock off of their competitor along with crappy respawn mechanics. That doesn't help people learn to fly at all, crutches don't help. The new players won't stick and the old players will not come back after this. People like Jingles are saying "ITS SO MUCH BETTER" without having played since 1.0. How is that even fair? They didn't play 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, etc and their memories of the game are 3 years old. 


The (not so) amazing Chokai is back! And he's hit all his personal goals sans one! Seriously though, nice to be back, looks like he game is improving. I continue to try to recruit new people.


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View PostFog_Heavy_Cruiser_Chokai, on 16 October 2017 - 04:25 AM, said:

 

No that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying alot of old plpayers are going to leave. The new version is a knock off of their competitor along with crappy respawn mechanics. That doesn't help people learn to fly at all, crutches don't help. The new players won't stick and the old players will not come back after this. People like Jingles are saying "ITS SO MUCH BETTER" without having played since 1.0. How is that even fair? They didn't play 1.4, 1.5, 1.6, etc and their memories of the game are 3 years old. 

 

However, there are also a quite a few people who play other WG games, and never played WoWP because they didn't like the form it took pre-2.0  Some of those will probably try out the reboot, and some will stay.  Neither you nor I know how it will actually shake out six months from now.  I won't even take a guess, and, anyone who wants 1.9 back, well, you were just keeping a zombie breathing anyway.  I know, it sucks to be in that position, but, what is done is done, and no Russian company is going to go back there for you, imo.  Time will tell is the only answer.  




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