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thegreenbaron #21 Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:24 PM

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View PostGouIdy, on 13 October 2017 - 02:13 PM, said:

 

I think it's great that all the old alpha testers that couldn't cut in the old PVP game are returning & enjoying the new WT clone.

The truth is skilled or unskilled really makes no difference on the outcome of a game in the new game, WG has stated as much themselves.

 

 

Gouldy, why don't you and your clan release an official statement instead of wasting 1's and 0's posting all over and PM'ing me.

 

View PostVandrel, on 13 October 2017 - 02:17 PM, said:

 

This same exact discussion has been had many times in the wot community. "You're just one person on a team of 15, therefore win rate is all luck." Trust me, this is a losing argument for you. Both teams will always have the same number of boots, +/-1. That means the difference comes down to the human players on both teams.

 

He's talking about the fact that the bots are either way worse than a person or much better than one.  A person, your argument has merit, but with AI, there's a bit more to it than that.

 

And, I'll hold out that I'm a person with a terribad 50% WR in WoT and landed a Kolobanov's and Poole's on the same match, so luck is a thing.


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Lt_Haruhi_Suzumiya #22 Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:25 PM

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View PostVandrel, on 13 October 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

Polish will come with time. 

Yeah..  I hope that comes within time,  not too late.

2.0 already came out without polish, and being attacked by old veterans.

It would be great that polish were came before releasing 2.0,  Late is better than never :/

 

View PostVandrel, on 13 October 2017 - 10:58 AM, said:

They're in a rather tricky situation right now, where they need money to improve things to attract new players, but need new players to fund development to improve things.

Yeah,  Situation are pretty much FUBAR.   Warplanes need new players cause of money, but New players will attracted by good games,  and Improvements for good game need money. and Warplanes need money again,  coming back-to-back..

 

View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 11:02 AM, said:

Based on the nasty grams I've been getting because 'YOU SUCKED AND I DIDN'T AND IT"S UNFAIRRRR!', and how so many people keep coming back to 'Oh, my poor stats I built up over years!' yes, I'd say that it's core to a good many people who are complaining's argument.

Well...  God dammit If it is really true, I think I feel sadness.

I didn't care my stat much, Because personally I don't think I am good player. (bit sad that I failed to achieve #500, remained on #700)

 

I cared the point that Persha didn't polished game again, and I really didn't liked the 2.0's conquest mode at all (I didn't liked it since I experienced it on Battlefield or AC:AH) than my meaningless stats.

 

I didn't liked new experiences that 2.0 gave to me. planes are too sluggish,  bots are still stupid, and more.

 

but 2.0 already came out, and It will not removed.  whatever we do

(Boycott, removing the game,  remove the accounts,  Persha will not care, as same as they didn't listened the feedbacks)

It's no use crying over spilt milk.   

Sigh..  I think even I hate current 2.0,  all I can do is 'getting used to 2.0' :(
 


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View PostLt_Haruhi_Suzumiya, on 13 October 2017 - 02:25 PM, said:

Well...  God dammit If it is really true, I think I feel sadness.

I didn't care my stat much, Because personally I don't think I am good player. (bit sad that I failed to achieve #500, remained on #700)

 

 

See Gouldy's post above for proof. 

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View PostVandrel, on 13 October 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

 

Did you even read what I said?

 

Did you read what you said?

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 Polish will come with time

 

The 2.0 game is far rougher than the original release. This is built on the old game so that polish should still be there.


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View PostVandrel, on 13 October 2017 - 03:17 PM, said:

 

This same exact discussion has been had many times in the wot community. "You're just one person on a team of 15, therefore win rate is all luck." Trust me, this is a losing argument for you. Both teams will always have the same number of boots, +/-1. That means the difference comes down to the human players on both teams.

 

#1 This isn't WOT, totally different type of game & requirements for winning not to mention WOWP teams are comprised of mostly re-spawning bots.

#2 You are assuming that the bots will behave exactly the same on each team when in fact they don't.

 

Maybe you can come up with a valid argument as to how one person can make a large impact on the outcome of a game because so far you are just talking out your arze.

 



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View PostBrushWolf, on 13 October 2017 - 02:30 PM, said:

 

The 2.0 game is far rougher than the original release. This is built on the old game so that polish should still be there.

 

I disagree with that, since you're clearly forgetting the part where WG laid off the entire Ukrainian Dev team shortly after release and crapwent unfixed for weeks.

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View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 03:24 PM, said:

 

Gouldy, why don't you and your clan release an official statement instead of wasting 1's and 0's posting all over and PM'ing me.

 

 

I have no clue who you are & I doubt anyone in my clan would waste their time PM'ing a fool like you.

Enjoy the WT clone while it lasts.



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View PostBrushWolf, on 13 October 2017 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

Did you read what you said?

 

The 2.0 game is far rougher than the original release. This is built on the old game so that polish should still be there.

 

What polish do you think is missing that was present before? Do you have anything more specific than "where's the polish?"



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View PostGouIdy, on 13 October 2017 - 02:37 PM, said:

 

I have no clue who you are & I doubt anyone in my clan would waste their time PM'ing a fool like you.

Enjoy the WT clone while it lasts.

 

First part I don't doubt.  Second, I guess 20thCenturyltd finally got the memo as he deleted the thread on his side now.  And, 3rd, if the game made a fraction of what WT does, we'd have a lot more content right now.

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View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

 

  I guess 20thCenturyltd finally got the memo as he deleted the thread on his side now.

 

So you sent 20th a PM that he deleted, gotcha.

 

View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 03:44 PM, said:

 

 if the game made a fraction of what WT does, we'd have a lot more content right now.

 

So why not just play WT then?



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View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

 

I disagree with that, since you're clearly forgetting the part where WG laid off the entire Ukrainian Dev team shortly after release and crapwent unfixed for weeks.

 

Yeah that happened after 1.4 and lead to the we will fix it next patch attitude that we have come to hate. However, we had all of the basics such as a complete UI where what 2.0 has is incomplete which leads to terrible situational awareness. How long will know players stay around when they find it impossible to even get a loot at whoever is shooting them down?

 

View PostVandrel, on 13 October 2017 - 02:42 PM, said:

 

What polish do you think is missing that was present before? Do you have anything more specific than "where's the polish?"

 

The UI is incomplete, there is no artificial horizon and there is no target window since looking with keys is terrible at best and the flight modeling is a joke.

 

View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 02:44 PM, said:

 

First part I don't doubt.  Second, I guess 20thCenturyltd finally got the memo as he deleted the thread on his side now.  And, 3rd, if the game made a fraction of what WT does, we'd have a lot more content right now.

 

So their solution is to copy the worst mode from the competition who already has most of the possible player base and since we don't have simulation level modes about the only people we might attract from there will be the arcade only players and they won't want to give up their work.

 

Edit: As I have said before it I wanted to play War Thunder I would play War Thunder.


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View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 02:34 PM, said:

 

I disagree with that, since you're clearly forgetting the part where WG laid off the entire Ukrainian Dev team shortly after release and crapwent unfixed for weeks.

 

If I recall, that was the web dev's, not game devs?

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View PostGouIdy, on 13 October 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

 

So you sent 20th a PM that he deleted, gotcha.

 

 

So why not just play WT then?

 

Nope, he sent me one.  I don't really PM people outside game.

 

Because I like WoWS over WT's  battle boats mode.



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Wow, we are way past the salt and onto the venom.  

 

Personally, I am a bit ambivalent about 2.0.  The flight mechanics are poor compared to 1.9, but since I play with a joystick, it still has some feel of flight.  The graphics are good, but could use optimization as my frame rate falls a lot faster with 2.0 than it did with 1.9.  The 1.x deathmatch was becoming boring, sure I still had fun sometimes, but for the past many months I found myself logging off and watching Netflix or Prime shows or reading.

 

Trashing people who like 2.0 is useless and to me (i.e. IMO) looks petty and a bit pathetic.  If you liked 1.9 and hate 2.0, fine, but trashing people who say "It ain't all bad" is just downright nasty.  

 



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View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

Because I like WoWS over WT's  battle boats mode.

 

Oh my bad, I thought we were talking about airplane games.

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View PostGouIdy, on 13 October 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

 

Oh my bad, I thought we were talking about airplane games.

 

Account merger is account merger, WG and the competition both do it.  Since i have more invested in WG, I prefer WoWP, but it makes no money, and I'd rather it stay in biz than be shuttered.

 

View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 13 October 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

If I recall, that was the web dev's, not game devs?

 

I could have sworn that they did part of the development for WoWP.  I'm looking around because I remember talking to Mugsy about it.



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View PostBrushWolf, on 13 October 2017 - 01:50 PM, said:

The UI is incomplete, there is no artificial horizon and there is no target window since looking with keys is terrible at best and the flight modeling is a joke.

 

That's not really polish but I'll respond to them anyways. Artificial horizon would be nice as an option but is by no means necessary. Not sure what you mean about looking with keys. Are you talking about holding a key to freelook or look at your target? Because using keys to do things in games is a pretty standard thing. As for flight models, one of the absolute biggest complaints among people who tried the game and never came back was the flight models, so of course that was going to get changed. 



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View Postthegreenbaron, on 13 October 2017 - 12:00 PM, said:

 

It's mass whinging because they all lost their uber stats and have to start over.  Those of us who earned our craprather than exploiting still have our gift planes, so it's all good by me.

 

Indeed. Well you sure are earning your 25% win rate there slappy. Guess that places you #1 in your one man clan, commander clueless. Maybe come 2.1 they can dumb it down some more for you. LOL

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View PostTokyoExpress, on 13 October 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

 

Indeed. Well you sure are earning your 25% win rate there slappy. Guess that places you #1 in your one man clan, commander clueless. Maybe come 2.1 they can dumb it down some more for you. LOL

 

Your entire post was just a personal attack that contributed nothing. That's certainly not going to convince anyone you're right.



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View PostVandrel, on 13 October 2017 - 03:09 PM, said:

 

That's not really polish but I'll respond to them anyways. Artificial horizon would be nice as an option but is by no means necessary. Not sure what you mean about looking with keys. Are you talking about holding a key to freelook or look at your target? Because using keys to do things in games is a pretty standard thing. As for flight models, one of the absolute biggest complaints among people who tried the game and never came back was the flight models, so of course that was going to get changed. 

 

If you use a joystick looking around to find the plane on your tail is next to impossible because of the limitations of the hat switch where mouse users can use the right mouse button for free look at the price of flying straight and level.

Most of the complaints and people that left were with the 1.5 patch which they waited two months to address and few of those people have returned and those that did left because there now were so few plays. We had a pretty good flight model with 1.9 with the exception of the extreme bracketing from altitude bands which are still here with 2.0 and are even more extreme.


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