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Straun007 #1 Posted 01 August 2017 - 06:24 PM

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See the win rates at 46% for the 8 and the 10 having like 53-54%...but why?

 

the il-8 has masively more firepower, the same bombs/rocket totals.....I don't get it?  _massive_ more firepower...any thoughts?



Mackunaima #2 Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:02 PM

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IL-10 has more capabilities to dogfight, and when you need to help your bots you need to dogfight; Just it. Nothing more.

 

FP is not the only thing necessary to dictate the things. The plane need to be realiable and IL-8 are not even close to it when you need to fight for your life.


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Front guns and W/R are two different things on this aircraft.

Front guns are for damage per sec on ground or air targets.

W/R is many things such as bomb kills, rocket kills, air to air 

kills, supremacy wins, vanishing from enemy with the lead.

In tier five you have two ground attacks IL- 2 AND IL- 2 MOD.

              IL - 2                 IL - 2 MOD

Average 49.65                50.36

You        39.53                57.61

Me         57.68                61.63

The maneuverable plane IL-2 MOD we both do better in.

The IL-2 has massive fire power over the IL-2MOD.

Same with the IL-8 and IL-10 in tier 7.

IL-8 front guns do more damage per second to targets.

IL-10 will get you more wins because its more maneuverable.

 

LOL yea what Mack said LOL ^^

 


Edited by Zigfreid, 01 August 2017 - 07:17 PM.


Mackunaima #4 Posted 01 August 2017 - 07:51 PM

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I didn't even try IL-8 when it came to public. I hated it on closed beta.

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Game wise they have two different missions. The IL-8 is excellent at getting Thunders and not very good at air to air. The IL-10 is excellent at air to air particularly hunting other GA's but not very good against ground targets. Of course YMMV.

Edited by BrushWolf, 01 August 2017 - 08:26 PM.

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gerr22 #6 Posted 02 August 2017 - 11:45 AM

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agree with Brush two completely different planes

scipionmk #7 Posted 02 August 2017 - 12:18 PM

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I prefer IL-10 ower IL-8.

Total        912              46

WR              60             52

Actually the most games I have been playing were in an IL-10. It is my choice for a daily missions at mid tier. It can kill GT and the planes using any assets available: front guns, rockets, bombs, tail gunner. Even ramming enemy planes. It is very durable, and with trained crew it can bring you miracles and a lot of joy.


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Mackunaima #8 Posted 02 August 2017 - 01:45 PM

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"Ramming..."

 

Tis is the most awful mechanics in this game for me..


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Lt_Haruhi_Suzumiya #9 Posted 02 August 2017 - 02:18 PM

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I didn't bought my IL-10 yet, but I faced a lot of bloody IL-10 and IL-10Ms while I fly with IL-8 and IL-20.  
so, I think I can throw my thinks on this topic.  
#1 and #2 is Joke, but #3 is real.

1. Originally, IL-10 was Tier 8 plane, while IL-8 stays on Tier 7.  when IL-20 was tier 9.(Before update 0.4.3, maybe)
As joke, That is why IL-10 is completely better than IL-8.
Better maneuverability, better engines..

2. Historically IL-10 was way too much better than IL-8.
4,966 IL-10(+ 1,200 Czech B-33) built. while IL-8 only built 3. because even IL-8 got some improvement from IL-10 design,  IL-8 was inferior in performance to IL-10.  + IL-10 was already in service.


3. And, also It came from difference of two plane's play-style.
IL-8 is good for grinding ground with big strong 45mm NS-45 cannon.  and have more HP than IL-10 does.
IL-10 is good for 'hunting enemy GA down' with reliable 23mm NS-23 auto-cannon & maneuverability. 

IL-8 is not Yak-9 or Yak-9U. 45mm gun are nearly worthless on Air-Combat.  while IL-10's NS-23 prove that they are reliable good gun from La-7 or La-9.
IL-10 even can hunt enemy Attack Aircraft down easily.  Like those damn Chinese IL-10M or f***in German Attackers always does.  for Prevent loss of allied ground target and ticket points.

When the match's end is near, We face the final curtain with IL-8 or IL-10...  
IL-10 can throw everything they have with good maneuverability.  IL-8 can do nearly nothing as those 37mm IL-2 and 37mm IL-2(t) does.  just using 20mm B-20 rear-gun well, and drop some bomb for bomb-kill if you saved some bombs for it.

Ah,  IL-8 has two good points than IL-10 does.
1. IL-8 can use 37mm NS-37 from IL-2(t), It makes IL-8 stock less painful.  until you grab ROFS-132 rocket.
2. IL-20 is somewhat kinda of Tier 8 version IL-8.  57mm gun with terrible maneuverability.   If you grind XP for IL-20 with IL-8,  you can get used to big worthless attacker quickly.   Because IL-20 Almost always get hunted by All of T8 GA which are not IL-20 (NC 1070, IL-10M, Me 329. All of these damn things are good for hunting enemy ground attacker.)


I guess, This pilot is worst teammate when you are on match, *Facepalm

 

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View PostMackunaima, on 02 August 2017 - 05:45 AM, said:

"Ramming..."

 

Tis is the most awful mechanics in this game for me..

 

Miss old ramming mechanics that Even A6Ms can kill bigger planes..  easily.
 

I guess, This pilot is worst teammate when you are on match, *Facepalm

 

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View PostLt_Haruhi_Suzumiya, on 02 August 2017 - 11:22 AM, said:

 

Miss old ramming mechanics that Even A6Ms can kill bigger planes..  easily.
 

 

Look this way with this "new" ramming machincs

 

You pick an HF, more FP, more HP, more speed, more altitude, more boost (and engine cooling) than LF... Aaaaaand that LF is coming towards you. What do you need to do?

 

Just try a headon. If he still stay in your way, so he is going to lose a lot of HP or problably be killed. If he is not, you just could hit some shots and speed up getting away.

 

But if he stands in front of you (he is a kamikaze), and didn't die yet, so just ram it. You can kill him and stay alive with just a max 30% loss of your HP.

 

You don't even need to concern about getting away from this fight alive. In other hand LF need to do his best against all odds to match HF up.

 

Before it, you needed to concern about dodge the enemy while heading on... Even when an A6M was coming.. Even falling dead planes could kill.

 

Again, the most awful mechanics in this game, at least for me.


Edited by Mackunaima, 02 August 2017 - 03:47 PM.

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neither takes ANY skill.........

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View PostMackunaima, on 02 August 2017 - 08:45 AM, said:

"Ramming..."

 

Tis is the most awful mechanics in this game for me..

 

The old ramming mechanic was too harsh for an arcade game but what they went with far too much RNG.

 

View PostTexthor, on 02 August 2017 - 02:50 PM, said:

neither takes ANY skill.........

 

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armydoc83 #14 Posted 03 August 2017 - 10:20 PM

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The IL8 requires a much different view of dogfighting than the IL10. You have to let your close relationship with gravity throw off the pilots that are used to BnZ and turnfighting being the only options in the game. You can 'breach', make sweeping lazy turns that no other plane is capable of, and you can fight effectively from your butt. Using these 3 things together I've brought down a decent number of 109Zs thinking they were in for an easy kill and won by supremacy while practically turning in circles on a mountainside while a frustrated 265 pilot tried to kill me off.

 

Of course, these tactics don't work as well with multiple enemies engaging.

 

As for the guns, yes, they stink at fighter combat (unless they hit). They are however a dream to use against JU88s, IL2(t)s, fellow IL8s, and even inattentive IL10s. Nothing makes a human pilot start to flail their plane about in a panic like seeing half their HP suddenly shot out from them.

 

So I guess in the end the IL8 just takes more skill (just close your eyes and breathe slowly IL haters on this thread) to dogfight with while the IL10 is much more straightforward. I could generally clear 100 points rather easily with the IL8, so it was a better support for my team if I was unmolested. It was also a great source of free XP once I elited it so that I could buy some parts for new planes instead of grinding with stock.

 

But in the end, when I finally bought the IL 20, it was the IL10 I kept with my alternate crew instead of the 8. The 20 is pretty much the IL8 mkII and I wanted variety in my experience. Still, my IL8 sits proudly in my hangar with the largest grouping of crosses and bombs on its side of any of my planes (you haven't experienced ecstasy until you've achieved Ace in that plane).

 

As for the IL10M and the 1070, those are ptw fail skywhales that can't do their jobs so they just troll the other skywhales to be of any benefit for the team. Call them out as such when they beeline for you then spend the rest of the match trying to avoid being hunted down and not making 1 point more of progress for their team.



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View PostBrushWolf, on 03 August 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

 

The old ramming mechanic was too harsh for an arcade game but what they went with far too much RNG.

 

 

The broken record has arrived. 

 

Exactly...

 

But the old title for this game was "MMO PVP Arcade/Simulator game based on Historical Warplanes"

 

Now we don't have MMO, nor PVP, nor Arcade neither nothing about simulator.. lol, just historical non accurated planes

 

This is an entire new genre of games. I think...  :hiding:


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