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Cowboyhiho #41 Posted 11 July 2017 - 11:31 PM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 11 July 2017 - 02:53 PM, said:

 

 

To Cowboyhiho (OP),

never listen to a fanboy, AMD or Intel... each has it's own market and at times one dominates the other for those of us with limited funds. Drew/Hero owns, like... 10 successful companies... and likely has unlimited funds when he's not dating Supermodels... we are out of his league. 

There is a lot of good advice here and if you want IM me and I will give you my 2 cents... Hiho bro!

 

 

 

 

Thanks Ace (and every one else). I have not heard back from the shop yet. :honoring:Not playing the game has provided a lot of free time, so I have been thinking.  Concluded that I should buy what I need.  Also with this I have been reading and viewing the recommended articles.  Tonight after the fresh BBQ sockeye salmon (bragging) I am going to check prices and put together a parts list. Even if my old unit is salvageable I may wind up with a new hobby. In that case I will take up your kind offers. I will keep in touch.

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The_World_Needs_A_Hero #42 Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:49 AM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 11 July 2017 - 11:13 PM, said:

 

 

My system exceeds even the recommended hardware, yet the FPS drop below minimum acceptable levels.  The game is not optimized at all, it wont run smooth using high or very high graphics on a base model machine.  As a comparative, WarThunder using Very High graphics, I run between 60 - 90FPS.

 

The minimum or even recommended system requirements are either wrong, or the game needs to be optimized.  My sense is the latter.

 

I used to use the old ATI (now AMD) graphics cards and every freakin time I had an issue with a game, it was that card brand. So, I switched to Nvidia cards and never looked back. Games and most professional software are always optimized for Nvidia. 

The_World_Needs_A_Hero #43 Posted 12 July 2017 - 11:52 AM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 11 July 2017 - 10:53 PM, said:

 

 

To Cowboyhiho (OP),

never listen to a fanboy, AMD or Intel... each has it's own market and at times one dominates the other for those of us with limited funds. Drew/Hero owns, like... 10 successful companies... and likely has unlimited funds when he's not dating Supermodels... we are out of his league. 

There is a lot of good advice here and if you want IM me and I will give you my 2 cents... Hiho bro!

 

 

 

 

 

That's one company and no supermodels. If I had 10 companies and a supermodel, I certainly wouldn't be loitering around on this forum. :-)

 

I'm not a fanboy either. I just use the best tools for the job. Always have. 



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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 12 July 2017 - 07:49 AM, said:

 

I used to use the old ATI (now AMD) graphics cards and every freakin time I had an issue with a game, it was that card brand.

 

 

View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 12 July 2017 - 07:52 AM, said:

 

I just use the best tools for the job. Always have. 

 

What's it like to be so full of it that you contradict yourself within three minutes?

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View PostGouIdy, on 12 July 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

 

 

 

What's it like to be so full of it that you contradict yourself within three minutes?

 

Very weak....VERY weak. 

 

That's as weak as your game was when Dracs played Sick in the tournament. How does it feel to always be the first one shot down and only 1 of 2 people on the entire team to bite it? That wouldn't be so bad if you played an actual competent team, but you got shot down by sick. That's like being beaten up by the captain of the high school chess club. :-) 


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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 12 July 2017 - 08:42 AM, said:

 

Very weak....VERY weak. 

 

That's as weak as your game was when Dracs played Sick in the tournament. How does it feel to always be the first one shot down and only 1 of 2 people on the entire team to bite it? That wouldn't be so bad if you played an actual competent team, but you got shot down by sick. That's like being beaten up by the captain of the high school chess club. :-) 

 

AND ... there it is folks the patented deflection attempt that you would expect from a simpleton.

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View PostGouIdy, on 12 July 2017 - 01:10 PM, said:

 

AND ... there it is folks the patented deflection attempt that you would expect from a simpleton.

 

Go make me a burger, please. 

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Back from shop. Was told it was a software issue, as services were turned off.  I asked if a failing circuit might cause intermittent problems. Was told it was possible, however they tested and found no faults. Cost $35.

 

Chatted him up about my old system. He said case, power system, hard drive 1Tb sata, and video card ( if needed to cut costs) could be used in a new build. For better performance he suggested chip and video card were best use of extra funds.  I forgot to ask if the game plays noticeably better with a ssd.

 

i will keep you informed.

 

Hope to see you in the game tonight!

 

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View PostCowboyhiho, on 12 July 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

Back from shop. Was told it was a software issue, as services were turned off.  I asked if a failing circuit might cause intermittent problems. Was told it was possible, however they tested and found no faults. Cost $35.

 

Chatted him up about my old system. He said case, power system, hard drive 1Tb sata, and video card ( if needed to cut costs) could be used in a new build. For better performance he suggested chip and video card were best use of extra funds.  I forgot to ask if the game plays noticeably better with a ssd.

 

i will keep you informed.

 

Hope to see you in the game tonight!

 

hiho

 

expect bullets and bombs... hiho


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(sorry for the long post)

 

If you're worried about price here's a few comparisons. I have one of these cpus - suprisingly more expensive than the newer ryzens that are now in the market for half the price - I paid double the price listed for the 6700k in 2015 than what is shown today - just goes to show how intel bullies their consumers nowadays. But no worries, ryzen is about to kick their behind this year and eventually drop their prices even more to stay competitive. AMD got smart and it paid well for them: (CAD Prices)

 

Ryzen 1400 (4 core 3.2ghz base) $224.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113437&cm_re=ryzen_1400-_-19-113-437-_-Product

i7 6700k (4 core 4.0ghz base) $469.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA9H53VV8416&cm_re=6700k-_-19-117-559-_-Product

i7 7700k (4 core 4.2ghz base) $454.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819117726&cm_re=7700k-_-19-117-726-_-Product

Ryzen 1500X (4 core 3.5ghz base) $249.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113436&cm_re=ryzen_1500x-_-19-113-436-_-Product

Ryzen 1600 (6 core 3.2ghz base) $279.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113435&cm_re=Ryzen_1600-_-19-113-435-_-Product

Ryzen 1600X (6core 3.6ghz base) $319.00https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113434&cm_re=Ryzen_1600-_-19-113-434-_-Product

 

There's no doubt in my mind that a 7700k is the current best choice for a high end gaming cpu with a price point doubling that to the new ryzen budget cpus. Get the 7700k for gaming past 2017+ titles at higher cost, or get the Ryzen 1500X which is half the price, same cores, lower base clock speed, lower power consumption, for World of Warplanes only. The ryzen 1500X will deliver your wowp needs.

 

Now the GPUs. As already mentioned now isn't really the best time due to the inflated costs of the current crypto mining issue that everyone is talking about (had to read alittle bit just to figure out what all this talk about "mining" was all about ,screwing with the GPU prices). At this point I'd say at best you will be hard pressed between a GTX 1050 TI or a GTX 1060. Could try the RX 470 AMD GPU but there aren't any currently in newegg. Anything higher will be at a greater cost and is unnecessary for wowp. Here are the current lowest price in newegg that I could find. If anyone can find a lower price point for him, much appreciated:

 

GTX 1050 Ti (1366 mhz base clock) $169.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487344&cm_re=1050_ti-_-14-487-344-_-Product

GTX 1060 (1607 mhz base clock) $309.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814487284&cm_re=gtx_1060-_-14-487-284-_-Product

 

Looking at those prices, it would be logical to go for the 1050ti. I would imagine they would be lower if it weren't for the current inflation. To put this into perspective - I game WOWP at Ultra settings with a 6700k coupled with a laptop GPU 980m 8gb VRAM. On average I get 50-60 FPS without taking into account those bug infested poorly optimized maps which results in drops of 20-40fps (ie Bay, Dam). If you combine say a Ryzen 1500X with a 1050Ti you would surely be able to achieve the same results if not higher. Going the 7700k you will definitely be able to keep above 60fps most battles.

 

RAM

 

View PostWeapon_of_Proliferation, on 11 July 2017 - 09:41 PM, said:

 

​He stated it best. Going the ryzen route, this is the best choice for performance. Increasing ram speeds and more ram memory do play a factor in FPS increase in most games but you're looking at 3-4 FPS counts. Very minimal improvements. $244.99 for 16gb ram total for wowp is a little bit overkill since at best all you need is 8gb if WOWP is the ONLY game you will every play. That price point will drop by 50% if you consider 8gb (2 4gb sticks at the same config/same brand if you like). Quite a few in newegg just having a quick glance. Plenty of affordable choices.

 

As for commenting about SSDs. I run a samsung 950 pro 512gb nvme m.2 SSD and WOWP is installed there. The ONLY thing that it improves is load times. No amount of FPS gain is noticeable. Just bear that in mind when you are looking for budget ssds for gaming in your current build. Might be better off with your current HDD if you don't care about having long loading times. But SSDs are great in windows booting times and loading apps if that matters to you. Here's a few:

 

Samsung 850 250gb SSD 2.5" $142.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147593&cm_re=250gb_ssd-_-20-147-593-_-Product

Samsung 960 250gb m.2 SSD $159.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147593&cm_re=250gb_ssd-_-20-147-593-_-Product

ADATA premiere SP600 2.5" 256gb SSD $119.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211853&cm_re=250gb_ssd-_-20-211-853-_-Product

ADATA Ultimate SU800 2.5" 256gb SSD $119.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820215016&cm_re=250gb_ssd-_-20-215-016-_-Product

 

You could probably cram both Windows OS and WOWP in one 250gb ssd and still have room for other apps if you wish. SD client is about 16gb? HD is 34gb.

 

Lastly, the mobo will be highly dependant on which cpu you want to go for and whether you will want to consider overclock features. Your buddies at the hardware store can definitely help with this (hoping it won't cost much to setup). Here's a few price comparisons all of which has OC features:

 

Gigabyte B350 ATX (ryzen 5-7) $154.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128991&cm_re=b350-_-13-128-991-_-Product

ASrock B350 Micro ATX $109.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157762&cm_re=b350-_-13-157-762-_-Product

MSI z270 ATX (7700k) $159.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130993&cm_re=z270-_-13-130-993-_-Product

ASRock z270 ATX $164.99https://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157740&cm_re=z270-_-13-157-740-_-Product

 

I would highly suggest getting more advice as to which is the best budget mobo that is compatible for the cpus & gpu listed above (and type of RAM!). These are the current lowest prices I could find in newegg for ya.

 

There's a few build part lists out there for both amd and intel. Managed to find one near your budget. Most of the 7700k builds I tried to find were over $1000. Would like to know if there are any below that with a gtx 1060 or 1050ti.

 

Ryzen 1500x + 1050 Ti ($530.92 CAD): https://ca.pcpartpicker.com/list/rqWbgL - he runs 2 storage units (1 HDD and 1 SSD) - You could squeeze your budget with just 1 SSD like above.

 

But that's as much info I could find with the latest competitive parts for todays gaming needs at budget prices (with the exception of GPUs). If you want my advice in replacing parts this is what I would change:

 

CPU (Ryzen 1500)

GPU (GTX 1050 ti or 1060)

RAM (atleast 8gb)

SSD (if prefered 250gb and no more) or keep the current HDD

PSU (minimum 500w)

 

Hope all that helps and good luck with your budget and your PC!

 


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View PostCowboyhiho, on 12 July 2017 - 08:44 PM, said:

Back from shop. Was told it was a software issue, as services were turned off.  I asked if a failing circuit might cause intermittent problems. Was told it was possible, however they tested and found no faults. Cost $35.

 

Chatted him up about my old system. He said case, power system, hard drive 1Tb sata, and video card ( if needed to cut costs) could be used in a new build. For better performance he suggested chip and video card were best use of extra funds.  I forgot to ask if the game plays noticeably better with a ssd.

 

i will keep you informed.

 

Hope to see you in the game tonight!

 

hiho

 

 

Everything is faster with a SSD (except framerate - no change there) - there are no moving parts. If you get a new rig, I would definitely install the operating system and WoWP on a SSD. You can install other programs to a standard HD, but running the OS & game on the SSD will help a ton. My system loads several things at start-up (anti-virus, keyboard software, etc), and I can click restart and be looking at my restarted desktop in under 25 seconds. I could change the way things load at start-up and get that time down to ~15 seconds, but there's really no need. The worst part about owning an SSD is then using a computer without one. You'll think it's frozen because you'll be used to instant everything. I strongly prefer Nvidia to AMD for a GPU. Nvidia's software is much more user-friendly. I've had nightmares about AMD's Catalyst software. I've always used Intel chips simply because AMD used to have a reputation for overheating and melting your chip - search YouTube for videos of it - it was impressive. Intel had a safety feature that shut things down before damage occurred from the heat. I'm sure AMD has fixed that problem by now, but I've always had good luck with Intel; so, I'll probably always go back to them.

 

Good luck with whatever choice you make.

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View PostCowboyhiho, on 12 July 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

Back from shop. Was told it was a software issue, as services were turned off.  I asked if a failing circuit might cause intermittent problems. Was told it was possible, however they tested and found no faults. Cost $35.

 

Chatted him up about my old system. He said case, power system, hard drive 1Tb sata, and video card ( if needed to cut costs) could be used in a new build. For better performance he suggested chip and video card were best use of extra funds.  I forgot to ask if the game plays noticeably better with a ssd.

 

i will keep you informed.

 

Hope to see you in the game tonight!

 

hiho

 

 

I recently upgraded a matx form factor cube case I built years ago, with a gigabyte 1060 3gb mini card.  It originally had a 9800gt video card.  The mobo is a gigabyte P55M-UD4 circa 2010, with a 2.8Ghz i7 860 and 4x 2gb DDR3 1600 ram running at 533Mhz bus.  I also installed Win10 on an older Intel 180gb SSD using the Windows 7 key from this PC.  This allowed me to connect the computer to a LG 4K tv via hdmi, and I've run wows at 1920x1080 high details with great frame rates.  Just installing wowp HD now to check it.

 

If you at least upgrade your video card Hiho, and possibly the SSD, those parts would be future proof and usable if you want to upgrade the other components at another time.  These would extend what you currently have noticeably, specifically system/game load times and frames per second, imho.  Fortunately wowp is still single core, so your 3.2Ghz i5 should be fine.  It's the video card for gaming that makes the biggest difference.


 


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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 13 July 2017 - 08:59 AM, said:

 

I recently upgraded a matx form factor cube case I built years ago, with a gigabyte 1060 3gb mini card.  It originally had a 9800gt video card.  The mobo is a gigabyte P55M-UD4 circa 2010, with a 2.8Ghz i7 860 and 4x 2gb DDR3 1600 ram running at 533Mhz bus.  I also installed Win10 on an older Intel 180gb SSD using the Windows 7 key from this PC.  This allowed me to connect the computer to a LG 4K tv via hdmi, and I've run wows at 1920x1080 high details with great frame rates.  Just installing wowp HD now to check it.

 

If you at least upgrade your video card Hiho, and possibly the SSD, those parts would be future proof and usable if you want to upgrade the other components at another time.  These would extend what you currently have noticeably, specifically system/game load times and frames per second, imho.  Fortunately wowp is still single core, so your 3.2Ghz i5 should be fine.  It's the video card for gaming that makes the biggest difference.

 

Should be sweet. How big is the TV?

 



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View PostZapperguy, on 13 July 2017 - 12:47 PM, said:

 

Should be sweet. How big is the TV?

 

 

50" or 55" LG in GF's bedroom.  Mostly use KODI w/addons...but I could play on it if I wanted to. :teethhappy:  But then I have a i7-4770K based PC on her main floor hooked up to an older 60" LG with a GTX 970 card running 1080p.  I mostly game on that when I'm there, if her or her daughter aren't watching something.

 


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Dude!  You brought it back!  



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View PostBobby_Tables, on 13 July 2017 - 11:38 PM, said:

Dude!  You brought it back!  

 

Aye.  If peeps think Bubba Zanetti is either an Argentinian footballer or make Forrest Gump references, who am I to try to fix stupid?

 


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View PostTexthor, on 10 July 2017 - 11:27 AM, said:

lol.....I play on a 6 year old HP Pavilion laptop (windows 7) with mouse, and fly light fighters to boot..........

 

LOL you are trying to fly heavys lawn darting and ramming team mates, and complaining about useless tailgunners.

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Great PC discussions. I Run (At home)  a 4th Gen i7K with a 970, and 16GB of 2800 RAM serves my needs. If I were to Upgrade to 4K I would need at least a 1070 though. 

 

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Well I finally made a gigantic upgrade after this thread got me thinking about it.  I have been putting it off for years, so I figured it was time to just go nuts --

 

old (2010)

Asus mATX motherboard

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32GB RAM Ballistix Elite DDR4 3466 MT/s

Seasonic 850W Titanium

 

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