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Cowboyhiho #1 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:13 PM

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:honoring:Today I find out if I'm addicted to WoWP, or just habituated.  Using an older box from last decade, since the kids, were, well the kids.  I have upgraded a few times and now it is:

 

Intel i5 650 at 3.20GHz

6GB ram

AMD Radeon HD 6800

ST1000DM003-1SB102 ATA device (new in last few months)

 

The local independent in my small town says he can upgrade the system using the better pieces for $600-800 Canadian.

 

Retired so money is a concern. This is the only game that I play to any extent. Could this be a good option, or is time to retire this unit?

 

Thanks to those who comment, I will tell you if it's a habit or an addiction soon.  hiho

 

 



MARS_REVENANT #2 Posted 09 July 2017 - 11:47 PM

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I purchased my system and put it together myself for about $700 CAD 3 years ago,  excluding Windows.

 

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It handles the game great at firt, but is struggling now at about 30fps in high graphics.  I stream as well and don't notice any in-game suffering for it.

 

You should be able to get a complete system for what you were quoted, although I dont know how you old good parts compare to mine.


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Zapperguy #3 Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:13 AM

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Don't put any more $$ into that rig. You can do much better for that kind of money.

 

I haven't owned an AMD so I can't speak to their reliability, but here are 4 within your dude's quoted upgrade range. https://www.amazon.ca/s/ref=sr_nr_p_89_0?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A667823011%2Cn%3A%21677211011%2Cn%3A2404990011%2Cn%3A677250011%2Cp_36%3A60000-80000%2Cp_89%3ACyberpowerPC&bbn=677250011&ie=UTF8&qid=1499644836&rnid=7590290011

I can vouch for CyberPower PCs - I had one and several people I know have had good luck with them over the years. If you visit their site you can completely customize a PC with whatever bells and whistles you want. But fair warning, it gets pricey fast if you like the good stuff.

 

In short, shop around rather than fix up that old PC.

 

I built my current rig 4 years ago and it's still running strong. It was my first and only build thus far, but I'll never buy an off the shelf PC again. The building process was intimidating initially, but once I got started I realized it's really pretty simple. YouTube videos will answer any questions you have. I found it to be significantly cheaper to assemble what I wanted (I sought advice from learned friends), than to try and purchase a pre-built PC with all the same features. Canadian prices are a bit much for some components I tried to piece out. I'm not sure how much if anything you'd save building your own there.

 

Good luck & let us know what you decide.

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The_World_Needs_A_Hero #4 Posted 10 July 2017 - 12:57 AM

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Time to retire that one. If memory serves me right, that processor is circa 08 or 09. The fact you got that much out of her is impressive. There are various vids on youtube about putting together budget builds. You'll be the surprised the bang for the buck that you'll get if you hunt around for bargain parts and put the machine together yourself. 

 

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I own an CyberPower PC also, great rig good price.

PhantomStar_ #6 Posted 10 July 2017 - 06:17 AM

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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 09 July 2017 - 04:57 PM, said:

Time to retire that one. If memory serves me right, that processor is circa 08 or 09.

 

 

If your processors are circa 08 or 09, you really need to change your computer. I had a 2009 Toshiba satellite laptop, and I could barely run this game at 30 fps on very low settings. Recently I upgraded to an Asus Gl553 and can run this game at a playable 50 fps (30 fps in furballs) on medium settings.


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Bubba_Zanetti #7 Posted 10 July 2017 - 10:31 AM

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You get what you pay for.  With our dollar so low, the deals our American friends show you won't be found up here.  I'd recommend an i7 based, 270 chipset, SSD 500gb, nvidia 1070 at least, build that'll put you in the range of $1500 or so with taxes. Especially if you're going to keep the system 5+ years.  

 

I haunt canadacomputers.com when I'm pricing parts.  That's my nickel.

 

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The_World_Needs_A_Hero #8 Posted 10 July 2017 - 01:44 PM

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 10 July 2017 - 10:31 AM, said:

You get what you pay for.  With our dollar so low, the deals our American friends show you won't be found up here.  I'd recommend an i7 based, 270 chipset, SSD 500gb, nvidia 1070 at least, build that'll put you in the range of $1500 or so with taxes. Especially if you're going to keep the system 5+ years.  

 

I haunt canadacomputers.com when I'm pricing parts.  That's my nickel.

 

P.S.  I admit it's an addiction.

 

What you just stated is what I just built for myself. i7-7700k. 32 GB 3000mhz ram. Gtx 1070. 500 gb ssd. I got a more top end motherboard which jacked me 100$ higher but I ended up at about 2200$ USD.  Unfortunately, graphics cards and ram are VERY expensive right now. 

MARS_REVENANT #9 Posted 10 July 2017 - 02:21 PM

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 10 July 2017 - 05:31 AM, said:

You get what you pay for.  With our dollar so low, the deals our American friends show you won't be found up here.  I'd recommend an i7 based, 270 chipset, SSD 500gb, nvidia 1070 at least, build that'll put you in the range of $1500 or so with taxes. Especially if you're going to keep the system 5+ years.  

 

I haunt canadacomputers.com when I'm pricing parts.  That's my nickel.

 

P.S.  I admit it's an addiction.

 

I have found that a 250GB SSD is more than adequate, with a regular 1TB HDD for all my data storage.  So there may be some cost savings if 250 SSD are even still available.  I run all my programs off the SSD.  Currently I have WOWP, WOT, WOT Blitz, WOWS, Adobe Creative Suite, AutoCAD and a bunch of little here and there stuff, with about 50GB still free on my SSD.  I have always been a fan of having a separate HDD for Data and OS.

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The_World_Needs_A_Hero #10 Posted 10 July 2017 - 02:45 PM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 10 July 2017 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

I have found that a 250GB SSD is more than adequate, with a regular 1TB HDD for all my data storage.  So there may be some cost savings if 250 SSD are even still available.  I run all my programs off the SSD.  Currently I have WOWP, WOT, WOT Blitz, WOWS, Adobe Creative Suite, AutoCAD and a bunch of little here and there stuff, with about 50GB still free on my SSD.  I have always been a fan of having a separate HDD for Data and OS.

 

Not trying to pick on you, although quite easy at times. But, traditional disc based hard drives are antiquated and shouldn't even be considered for a new build. Heck, I abandoned disc based hard drives 5 years ago and never looked back. Data transfer speed is currently the biggest bottleneck in systems today. Even Sata SSDs are quickly becoming more or less obsolete in favor of M.2/PCI-E which can read at 4 to 6 times what sata could. I put a sata in mine, as a pure cost savings, because I wanted the better motherboard and ram for now. But, I sure as heck made sure I got a MB with at least 2 - M.2 slots for future upgrade to M.2 when the prices come down a bit.

 

When you build a system, always build with the future in mind. Not the now. 

 

edit: and if you actually put your OS on the disc based hard drive... lol. 


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 10 July 2017 - 09:21 AM, said:

 

I have found that a 250GB SSD is more than adequate, with a regular 1TB HDD for all my data storage.  So there may be some cost savings if 250 SSD are even still available.  I run all my programs off the SSD.  Currently I have WOWP, WOT, WOT Blitz, WOWS, Adobe Creative Suite, AutoCAD and a bunch of little here and there stuff, with about 50GB still free on my SSD.  I have always been a fan of having a separate HDD for Data and OS.

 

Budgetwise, sure.  But 500gb have come down in price.  Benchmarks usually favour the larger capacity due to chip counts and their controller magic, though real world may be negligible.  I don't rule out mechanical for capacity/cost.  Data recovery can be easier versus SSD too.

 

Its funny how over the years we'd go from single disks to multiple disks/partitions back to single, usually for speed/efficiency or logical/practical reasons.

 

m2 is the bomb also!  I put a Samsung 960 500gb in my primary gaming/wowp tower with win 10 and after a recent gigabyte bios update it's at login screen within seconds of powerup. Before that I striped a couple intel 180gb SSD's via sata. (520 series I think)


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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 10 July 2017 - 09:45 AM, said:

 

Not trying to pick on you, although quite easy at times. But, traditional disc based hard drives are antiquated and shouldn't even be considered for a new build. Heck, I abandoned disc based hard drives 5 years ago and never looked back. Data transfer speed is currently the biggest bottleneck in systems today. Even Sata SSDs are quickly becoming more or less obsolete in favor of M.2/PCI-E which can read at 4 to 6 times what sata could. I put a sata in mine, as a pure cost savings, because I wanted the better motherboard and ram for now. But, I sure as heck made sure I got a MB with at least 2 - M.2 slots for future upgrade to M.2 when the prices come down a bit.

 

When you build a system, always build with the future in mind. Not the now. 

 

edit: and if you actually put your OS on the disc based hard drive... lol. 

 

I guess I should have mentioned, although I thought it was obvious, the OS is also on the SSD with all the games.  OP is talking about a budget mid-range gaming system, not a top of the line.  Depending on the amount of data required for storage and also the amount the data is accessed, in the OP's case, it would be a waste of money to have 2 SSDs installed.

 

I would agree, having an SSD for data storage would be faster.  There is a cost-benefit ratio that would have to make sens though.  I am talking about a gaming/home  PC, not a work computer.  I don't require those speeds, therefore it would be a waste of $.


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GouIdy #13 Posted 10 July 2017 - 04:50 PM

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Ok now that all the experts have chimed in can we get the poor guy back on track.

 

#1   He is retired & maybe doesn't have the disposable income for a mid-top of the line build.

 

#2   He said WOWP is the only game he plays.



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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 10 July 2017 - 06:31 AM, said:

You get what you pay for.  With our dollar so low, the deals our American friends show you won't be found up here.  I'd recommend an i7 based, 270 chipset, SSD 500gb, nvidia 1070 at least, build that'll put you in the range of $1500 or so with taxes. Especially if you're going to keep the system 5+ years.  

 

I haunt canadacomputers.com when I'm pricing parts.  That's my nickel.

 

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Actually the deals I posted are from Amazon.ca  - I looked up PCs on Canadian sites.

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View PostZapperguy, on 10 July 2017 - 11:50 AM, said:

 

Actually the deals I posted are from Amazon.ca  - I looked up PCs on Canadian sites.

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Newegg.ca is also a great site. And a lot of free shipping.

 

I just got a gaming mouse through newegg. http://forum.worldof...284#entry688284


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View PostGouIdy, on 10 July 2017 - 04:50 PM, said:

Ok now that all the experts have chimed in can we get the poor guy back on track.

 

#1   He is retired & maybe doesn't have the disposable income for a mid-top of the line build.

 

#2   He said WOWP is the only game he plays.

 

He didn't actually give us a budget. He only mentioned what his guy could upgrade it for. Tough to give specific advice when I don't know the numbers involved. WOWP may not always be the only thing he plays either. 



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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 10 July 2017 - 12:01 PM, said:

 

He didn't actually give us a budget. He only mentioned what his guy could upgrade it for. Tough to give specific advice when I don't know the numbers involved. WOWP may not always be the only thing he plays either. 

 

View PostCowboyhiho, on 09 July 2017 - 06:13 PM, said:

:honoring:Today I find out if I'm addicted to WoWP, or just habituated.  Using an older box from last decade, since the kids, were, well the kids.  I have upgraded a few times and now it is:

 

Intel i5 650 at 3.20GHz

6GB ram

AMD Radeon HD 6800

ST1000DM003-1SB102 ATA device (new in last few months)

 

The local independent in my small town says he can upgrade the system using the better pieces for $600-800 Canadian.

 

Retired so money is a concern. This is the only game that I play to any extent. Could this be a good option, or is time to retire this unit?

 

Thanks to those who comment, I will tell you if it's a habit or an addiction soon.  hiho

 

 

 

Fairly obvious.


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 10 July 2017 - 05:10 PM, said:

 

 

Fairly obvious.

 

No...actually not. Where in that statement does it say exactly how much money there is to work with? Nice try, though. You are just failing all over the forum lately :-)

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lol.....I play on a 6 year old HP Pavilion laptop (windows 7) with mouse, and fly light fighters to boot..........

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View PostThe_World_Needs_A_Hero, on 10 July 2017 - 12:25 PM, said:

 

No...actually not. Where in that statement does it say exactly how much money there is to work with? Nice try, though. You are just failing all over the forum lately :-)

 

Um when he says that money is tight, and asks if the quote was a good deal?

 

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