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Rounne #1 Posted 03 May 2017 - 02:18 AM

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Right now, I utterly hate this plane. I feel that it has been a complete waste of my time to grind down it. And yet, I see people do really well in it. What am I doing wrong? I got 8 kills today in a turn and burn plane. Yet, I study boom and zoom tactics and they NEVER work for me. 

 

1. Everyone seems to be able to climb as well as I can

2. Everyone seems to be as fast as I am

3. You can't turn for anything if you setup the plane for engines and speed. 

 

Is it just me? Is it the current meta? Has the plane been nurfed to oblivion recently? I need a guide here. This plane is NOT working for me AT ALL.


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If they are catching you, then you are definitely doing something wrong. That is the premium race horse for tier V. With out seeing some replays, it would be pure conjecture. Simply, stay high and stay fast, this plane out handles the other heavies in this tier. Do not drop down until you clear threats at your altitude.

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Would need to see some replays because the 38-F is hands down the best in the tier, it can even do very well against tier 6's.

Rounne #4 Posted 03 May 2017 - 02:38 AM

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Here you go. Here is a reply as of 2 minuets ago. The entire team died in record time. Me? I tried to dive on someone and missed and then when I went to climb the other P38F killed me. As well, another person was on my tail too that was just as fast as I was. So fun. I can see now why 99% of players STILL bail on this game.

 

(Hold on says I am not permitted to upload this kind of file. What a pathetic joke. I have to use dropbox to upload a replay to the damn forum?)

 

https://www.dropbox....wowpreplay?dl=0


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"So fun. I can see now why 99% of players STILL bail on this game."

 

What it means is 99% of the snowflake generation have no patience to learn a game that isn't spoon fed to them.


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Yeah, you are definitely doing something wrong if people are catching up to you. The only plane that is faster than The p38f in t5 is the t5 German 209v-1 or whatever it is called now(unless they nerfed the speed at some point. Not sure on the altitude rating compared to the p38f.

   The p38 is the fastest, highest alt, and most maneuverable heavy in tier. Take out high attitude threats like other p38's and 110E's. Then kill the plane that is the next highest, rinse and repeat.

 

*edit* I watched the Replay. you didn't get enough attitude at the beginning. When you are in the pre battle screen, you need to look at the other team and figure out which people/planes on the other side you have to watch out for and possibly kill first before they kill you. You started attacking other planes before you spotted the enemy p38. You dove down really low(a spitfire was at the same level as you and diving down as well). The enemy p38 spotted you first, got on your tail and toasted you. You need to have your head on a swivel in this game. Situational awareness is very important.

 

 


 

*second edit* This plane is not meant for turning horizontally(unless you are at high altitude only battling other heavies t5 and above). you need to dive, make a pass with minimal turning and get up and away. Planes generally fall into 2 broad categories boom and zoom planes, and turn and burn planes. There are a few planes that can kind of do both depending on what plane they are going against. heavies are generally bnz.


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You just need to watch the right people flying the p38f and copy them. No need to rush to conclusion that because you didn't click with one plane the game is all of a sudden crap. Which by the way I don't blame u for having that opinion. WOWP used to be a fun player only MMO. But that's a discussion for another thread. 

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View PostArrowZ_, on 02 May 2017 - 09:45 PM, said:

You just need to watch the right people flying the p38f and copy them. No need to rush to conclusion that because you didn't click with one plane the game is all of a sudden crap. Which by the way I don't blame u for having that opinion. WOWP used to be a fun player only MMO. But that's a discussion for another thread. 

 

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mullyman #9 Posted 03 May 2017 - 02:56 AM

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Here is the funny part...

You know what killed him????

A BOT P38F  LOL

 

You need to watch some vids.   You got no altitude and were one of the 1st ones dead in a 4/5 battle where you should have dominated.   You had poor battle vision and didn't look out for the ONLY plane on the entire red team that could match your speed and alt.


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Not the "F" but you will get the idea

 


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That didn't take long.... :hiding:

 

Idk man. Still waiting for this conquest crap to come out. 

 

 


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View PostArrowZ_, on 02 May 2017 - 09:59 PM, said:

That didn't take long.... :hiding:

 

Idk man. Still waiting for this conquest crap to come out. 

 

 

 

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View PostRounne, on 03 May 2017 - 02:18 PM, said:

1. Everyone seems to be able to climb as well as I can

2. Everyone seems to be as fast as I am

3. You can't turn for anything if you setup the plane for engines and speed. 

 

1&2.  Never let your speed get below the bright green section on your airspeed indicator.  While the P-38F is fast it doesn't accelerate all that quickly (in fact there are a number of planes that can out accelerate you at low/medium altitude) so you need to watch your speed. 

3.  With speed you don't need to turn.  If they evade, just pull up into a climb, convert your speed to height then have another go.  As a basic rule of thumb, if you have to deviate your nose by more than 45 degrees from your original heading to maintain your firing solution you need to give up the attack and climb away.


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View Postmullyman, on 03 May 2017 - 02:58 AM, said:

Not the "F" but you will get the idea

 

 

So you got ZERO kills and your entire team is dead halfway into the game. Then, some newbs try to chase you into the sky and they stall and you kill them. This doesn't help me at all. What I guess I need to do is go sky high and wait for everyone to die and then see if i can get some newbs to try to chase me.

 

As well, this is a fully upgraded plane with a pilot with many skills. Apparently you can't do anything in this until it is fully upgraded and a topped out pilot. 



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View PostRounne, on 02 May 2017 - 10:14 PM, said:

 

So you got ZERO kills and your entire team is dead halfway into the game. Then, some newbs try to chase you into the sky and they stall and you kill them. This doesn't help me at all. What I guess I need to do is go sky high and wait for everyone to die and then see if i can get some newbs to try to chase me.

 

As well, this is a fully upgraded plane with a pilot with many skills. Apparently you can't do anything in this until it is fully upgraded and a topped out pilot. 

 

Slow your roll dude... and yes... basic HF play is get high and keep your altitude and energy

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Show us your replay and we can give more advice. And yea gotta upload through 3rd party like one drive. 

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View PostArrowZ_, on 03 May 2017 - 03:21 AM, said:

Show us your replay and we can give more advice. And yea gotta upload through 3rd party like one drive. 

 

I already did

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BNZ fighting takes patience. You have to select your targets carefully and make sure you are keeping up your speed and altitude. Making sure you don't run out of energy is important. 

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View PostPsicko23, on 03 May 2017 - 04:51 AM, said:

BNZ fighting takes patience. You have to select your targets carefully and make sure you are keeping up your speed and altitude. Making sure you don't run out of energy is important. 

 

Apparently you didn't see the replay where everyone on my team did in 2 minuets. 

 

Forget it. I tried this game again for another week and it's just as crap as it was before except for two things. You don't have to wait 5-8 minuets now for a crap game, but the games themselves are just as crap as before. The balance of the game is just as crap as it was before. Of course, everyone still bails on this game. See you in another 2 years or so, maybe. 



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View PostRounne, on 02 May 2017 - 09:49 PM, said:

 

Apparently you didn't see the replay where everyone on my team did in 2 minuets. 

 

I did watch the video as evidenced by my reply in my original post. But you probably didn't read it. So I will post it again: 

 

 I watched the Replay. you didn't get enough attitude at the beginning. When you are in the pre battle screen, you need to look at the other team and figure out which people/planes on the other side you have to watch out for and possibly kill first before they kill you. You started attacking other planes before you spotted the enemy p38. You dove down really low(a spitfire was at the same level as you and diving down as well). The enemy p38 spotted you first, got on your tail and toasted you. You need to have your head on a swivel in this game. Situational awareness is very important. When you died, you still had friendlies alive. Even if your team dies, if you play your p38 right you still have a chance of pulling off a win.

   This plane is not meant for turning horizontally(unless you are at high altitude only battling other heavies t5 and above). you need to dive, make a pass with minimal turning and get up and away. Planes generally fall into 2 broad categories boom and zoom planes, and turn and burn planes. There are a few planes that can kind of do both depending on what plane they are going against. heavies are generally bnz.

 

Tldr: more altitude, increase situational awareness, make sure you know where the enemy planes are before making an attack(especially the planes that are high priority, which in this case is the p38). You had no idea where the enemy p38 was before you attacked that other plane. 






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