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Poll: Tournament Set Up (32 members have cast votes)

Map Preference

  1. Arctic Region (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  2. Asian Border (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  3. El Halluf (1 vote [3.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  4. Fjords (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  5. Adriatic (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  6. Eastern Front (1 vote [3.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  7. Fortress (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  8. Harbour (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  9. Hidden Airbase (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  10. Lighthouse (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  11. National Park (7 votes [21.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.88%

Tier Preference

  1. Tier 5 (5 votes [11.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.36%

  2. Tier 6 (5 votes [11.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.36%

  3. Tier 7 (11 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  4. Tier 9 (11 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  5. Tier 10 (12 votes [27.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

Battle Duration

  1. 10 Minutes (8 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. 15 Minutes (24 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

Hide Enemy Aircraft Models in Training Room

  1. Yes (26 votes [81.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 81.25%

  2. No (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

Plane Restrictions

  1. Limit Heavy Fighters (17 votes [53.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.12%

  2. No Restrictions. (12 votes [37.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  3. Other. Post your ideas below (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

Team Size

  1. 5 v 5 (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  2. 8 v 8 (8 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. 10 v 10 (15 votes [46.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.88%

  4. 15 v 15 (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

Battle Days Pick Your Top 3 Days to Battle

  1. Monday (5 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

  2. Tuesday (5 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

  3. Wednesday (8 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. Thursday (16 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  5. Friday (14 votes [19.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.44%

  6. Saturday (16 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  7. Sunday (8 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

Type Of Tournament (Bracket Setup)

  1. Single Stage - Double Elimination (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  2. Two Stage - Round Robin (determines seeding) Double Elimination (21 votes [65.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 65.62%

  3. Single Stage - Single Elimination (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  4. Two Stage - Round Robin (determines seeding) Single Elimination (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

If Two Stage Round Robin Should All Teams Move Up or Just Top Teams?

  1. All teams should move forward. Round robin will just determine seeding in elimination bracket (22 votes [68.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 68.75%

  2. Only top teams should move forward to elimination brackets. (10 votes [31.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 31.25%

How many battles should determine the victor of each round?

  1. 1 Battle (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  2. Best of 3 (14 votes [43.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 43.75%

  3. Best of 5 (15 votes [46.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.88%

How many battles should be scheduled each week?

  1. 2 Battles per week (24 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. 3 Battles per week (8 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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GouIdy #41 Posted 07 April 2017 - 08:38 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 07 April 2017 - 03:58 PM, said:

Another solution would have to be teams thinking outside of the box other than the basic BnZ strategy.

 

Put your team together & show us what you got.

mnbv_fockewulfe #42 Posted 07 April 2017 - 08:58 PM

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I can get a strategy setup for Tiers 5-7 other than that, I don't have the proper planes.

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ArrowZ_ #43 Posted 07 April 2017 - 09:59 PM

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Plane restrictions in tourneys makes it interesting because each plane handles differently and has different roles. Not everyone is comfortable flying that specific plane and it challenges them to adapt. But this goes both ways. Not everyone will have those specific planes in the chosen tier (s) for the tourney. Best we can assume everyone who entered has most if not all planes unlocked and in the hangar which isn't always the case. Then you get teams who struggle to put a plane line up together because of the aforementioned problem. 

 

Most common game play that I've seen in these tourneys since beta is high altitude dogfights with bnz planes. Sometimes a team tries a GA route to win supremacy but is not as high impacting in points as shooting down planes (flaw in the game).

 

If you really want to mix it up, have a nation vs nation pvp event: ie USA vs Germany, IJN vs USSR, UK vs USA, UK vs Germany and so on. And you can make the rule simple - switch nations every round for each team.

 

Or do a KP - 2 tier spread with a limitation of less top tier planes and more mid/bottom tier. 


Edited by ArrowZ_, 07 April 2017 - 10:08 PM.

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gerr22 #44 Posted 08 April 2017 - 04:45 AM

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how many persons per team

GouIdy #45 Posted 08 April 2017 - 04:52 AM

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View Postgerr22, on 08 April 2017 - 12:45 AM, said:

how many persons per team

 

Looks like it's going to be 10 vs 10

CrayoIaCrayon #46 Posted 08 April 2017 - 08:19 AM

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Eh GA have been tried so many times.  They never work.  It's easier now than ever to kill GA.  

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mnbv_fockewulfe #47 Posted 11 April 2017 - 12:09 AM

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Changed my mind, only limit Heavy Fighters. I need as much flexibility with plane make-up as I can get. I haven't gotten anything working yet, But I promise to give you guys a run for your money.

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Jaguardian #48 Posted 11 April 2017 - 01:12 PM

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View PostJetway, on 08 April 2017 - 02:19 AM, said:

Eh GA have been tried so many times.  They never work.  It's easier now than ever to kill GA.  

 

True, but it hasn't been done right.

MARS_REVENANT #49 Posted 11 April 2017 - 04:28 PM

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This is what we are looking at so far based on the voting:

Lighthouse

Tier 9 (based on average votes between tier 7, 9, and 10)

15 minute battles

A limit to HF

10 member teams (14 person roster)

Thursday/Saturday battles. 2 battles per week

2 stage double elimination style all teams move into elimination round

 

Tomorrow will mean the voting has been up for 1 week.  I'll compile all answers again and post the final tournament set-up.  Start a sign-up thread as well. If you don't like what you see... get in there and vote.

 

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Edited by MARS_REVENANT, 11 April 2017 - 04:29 PM.

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beaver_cleaver #50 Posted 12 April 2017 - 03:44 PM

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View PostJetway, on 05 April 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

Well it honestly doesn't matter.  In the past, we have seen that no matter whether there are restrictions or not, a certain plane or group of planes such as in air raid 6 basically dominates.  As far as I'm concerned, restrictions of any type are not going to change the fact of bringing the best plane/planes to match the meta presented.  When kpop made what was a cool restriction of 1 plane per nation, it divided it into basically only two reasonable formations.  When we went with no restriction last tournament, it was all 209's.  Everyone throws a fit about heavies, but their abilities are very heavily dependent on what tier we play as to whether they are dominant.  

Tournaments are about pilot skills. Not watching heavies scream up to altitude - conserve boost - and shoot down those who stall in an attempt to attack them. While a great strategy in standard battle with bots...........It is no fun in tournaments. If these are REALLY about pilot skill - all pilots fly the same plane, use the same ammo, the same add ons - pneumatic bottle, fire extinguisher, etc.  After that limit all pilots to the same skills - say 4 or 5 points - no more.

 

Then it truly comes down to the individual pilots ability.



MARS_REVENANT #51 Posted 12 April 2017 - 04:29 PM

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View Postbeaver_cleaver, on 12 April 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

Tournaments are about pilot skills. Not watching heavies scream up to altitude - conserve boost - and shoot down those who stall in an attempt to attack them. While a great strategy in standard battle with bots...........It is no fun in tournaments. If these are REALLY about pilot skill - all pilots fly the same plane, use the same ammo, the same add ons - pneumatic bottle, fire extinguisher, etc.  After that limit all pilots to the same skills - say 4 or 5 points - no more.

 

Then it truly comes down to the individual pilots ability.

 

HF vs HV still comes down to pilot skill.

 

This would be impossible to implement as there would be no way to police people using pilot skill, consumables, plane upgrades or gold ammo.

 

 


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MARS_REVENANT #52 Posted 12 April 2017 - 04:47 PM

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Looks like all votes are in...

 

Final Setup:

Lighthouse (Tied with national park... but National park has bad spawn points)

Tier 9 (based on average votes between tier 7, 9, and 10, also Alt accounts voted in tier 10, so that tier has been disqualified... thank the alt accounts for wasting your votes)

15 minute battles

A limit to HF (thinking limit of 3)

10 member teams (14 person roster)

Thursday/Saturday battles. 2 battles per week

2 stage double elimination style all teams move into elimination round

 

I'll start a separate sign-up thread.

 

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mnbv_fockewulfe #53 Posted 12 April 2017 - 08:56 PM

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Could you take into consideration that I can't field a team for T9? T8 is the highest we can manage.

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MARS_REVENANT #54 Posted 12 April 2017 - 10:20 PM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 12 April 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

Could you take into consideration that I can't field a team for T9? T8 is the highest we can manage.

 

We just had a tier 8 tournament.  Let's see how the sign up goes.

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MelBrooks #55 Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:28 AM

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MARS, you and I give each other crap all the time, but on a serious note, thank you for dedicating your time to organizing another tournament. It is appreciated and if we can help in any manner, just let us know <o.

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MARS_REVENANT #56 Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:32 AM

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View PostMelBrooks, on 12 April 2017 - 07:28 PM, said:

MARS, you and I give each other crap all the time, but on a serious note, thank you for dedicating your time to organizing another tournament. It is appreciated and if we can help in any manner, just let us know <o.

 

You were giving me crap?

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MelBrooks #57 Posted 13 April 2017 - 12:35 AM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 12 April 2017 - 07:32 PM, said:

 

You were giving me crap?

 

Well, true, it does tend to be one sided most of the time......:hiding:

mnbv_fockewulfe #58 Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:22 PM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 12 April 2017 - 10:20 PM, said:

 

We just had a tier 8 tournament.  Let's see how the sign up goes.

 

Fair enough. T7 would be even better.

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ArrowZ_ #59 Posted 13 April 2017 - 08:57 PM

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The vote is tied between 9 and 7 at the moment. If it means more will participate, Tier 7 would be advised. I love my jets but if this is going to be another 3 team tourney then there's no point.  

 

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I voted for 9, but like Arrow said, if it means more people participating, then 7 works for me.

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