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Poll: Tournament Set Up (32 members have cast votes)

Map Preference

  1. Arctic Region (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  2. Asian Border (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  3. El Halluf (1 vote [3.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  4. Fjords (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  5. Adriatic (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  6. Eastern Front (1 vote [3.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.12%

  7. Fortress (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  8. Harbour (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  9. Hidden Airbase (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  10. Lighthouse (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

  11. National Park (7 votes [21.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.88%

Tier Preference

  1. Tier 5 (5 votes [11.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.36%

  2. Tier 6 (5 votes [11.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.36%

  3. Tier 7 (11 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  4. Tier 9 (11 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  5. Tier 10 (12 votes [27.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 27.27%

Battle Duration

  1. 10 Minutes (8 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  2. 15 Minutes (24 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

Hide Enemy Aircraft Models in Training Room

  1. Yes (26 votes [81.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 81.25%

  2. No (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

Plane Restrictions

  1. Limit Heavy Fighters (17 votes [53.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.12%

  2. No Restrictions. (12 votes [37.50%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.50%

  3. Other. Post your ideas below (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

Team Size

  1. 5 v 5 (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  2. 8 v 8 (8 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

  3. 10 v 10 (15 votes [46.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.88%

  4. 15 v 15 (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

Battle Days Pick Your Top 3 Days to Battle

  1. Monday (5 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

  2. Tuesday (5 votes [6.94%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.94%

  3. Wednesday (8 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

  4. Thursday (16 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  5. Friday (14 votes [19.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.44%

  6. Saturday (16 votes [22.22%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.22%

  7. Sunday (8 votes [11.11%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.11%

Type Of Tournament (Bracket Setup)

  1. Single Stage - Double Elimination (2 votes [6.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.25%

  2. Two Stage - Round Robin (determines seeding) Double Elimination (21 votes [65.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 65.62%

  3. Single Stage - Single Elimination (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  4. Two Stage - Round Robin (determines seeding) Single Elimination (6 votes [18.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 18.75%

If Two Stage Round Robin Should All Teams Move Up or Just Top Teams?

  1. All teams should move forward. Round robin will just determine seeding in elimination bracket (22 votes [68.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 68.75%

  2. Only top teams should move forward to elimination brackets. (10 votes [31.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 31.25%

How many battles should determine the victor of each round?

  1. 1 Battle (3 votes [9.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.38%

  2. Best of 3 (14 votes [43.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 43.75%

  3. Best of 5 (15 votes [46.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.88%

How many battles should be scheduled each week?

  1. 2 Battles per week (24 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  2. 3 Battles per week (8 votes [25.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.00%

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MARS_REVENANT #21 Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:17 AM

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 05 April 2017 - 08:55 PM, said:

The votes were for no-holds-barred but there was some kind of limitation of aircraft types, etc that was made last minute. I really wanted to participate, but because of that change nobody in my clan wanted to participate, and I'm not really interested in flying in a patchwork team. I stopped tracking the changes once the initial changes were made that didn't agree with what I understood to be the final vote.

 

I'm not trying to be against what you're running here, Mars, I'm just trying to figure out if this time around it will be by-the-votes come what may or not. I am very interested in getting some competition together and testing out different team compositions and strategies and I know personally I'm not really interested in a strongly-formulated team setup. Will some teams bring all heavies? Probably, but I think that should be up to the teams. I'd take a team of lights that know how to turn and burn over a team of heavies any day.

 

Whatever you decide, best of luck! I'm sorry I came off confrontationally, I should have chosen my words better to reflect that I was disappointed with the way the last round went but still appreciated you running it!

 

 

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The only plane restriction was a limit of 4 HF per team.  And that is what people asked for in the voting, to restrict HF.

 

http://forum.worldof...ent-2k17-alpha/

 

Now that that is out of the way... there is no reason SSG wont join right?


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MARS_REVENANT #22 Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:26 AM

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View PostDrSinister, on 05 April 2017 - 09:08 PM, said:

Battle Days Pick Your Top 3 Days to Battle

You can select maximum of 2 answers

  1.  Monday
  2.  Tuesday
  3.  Wednesday
  4.  Thursday
  5.  Friday
  6.  Saturday
  7.  Sunday

Say to pick top 3 but can only select max of 2.

 

I have always wanted to see a tournament with only 1 specific plane. Especially with planes that are not used a lot in normal Tier Restricted plane.  But will have to give enough time for each team to acquire that plane, that is why I chose Tier 5 and 5v5 that way it would not be hard for people to get that specific plane (more players would be better). 

 

Fixed voting... we just had a tournament wiht 1 specific plane... the 209.

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View PostDrSinister, on 05 April 2017 - 08:08 PM, said:

Battle Days Pick Your Top 3 Days to Battle

You can select maximum of 2 answers

  1.  Monday
  2.  Tuesday
  3.  Wednesday
  4.  Thursday
  5.  Friday
  6.  Saturday
  7.  Sunday

Say to pick top 3 but can only select max of 2.

 

I have always wanted to see a tournament with only 1 specific plane. Especially with planes that are not used a lot in normal Tier Restricted plane.  But will have to give enough time for each team to acquire that plane, that is why I chose Tier 5 and 5v5 that way it would not be hard for people to get that specific plane (more players would be better). 

 

Well it honestly doesn't matter.  In the past, we have seen that no matter whether there are restrictions or not, a certain plane or group of planes such as in air raid 6 basically dominates.  As far as I'm concerned, restrictions of any type are not going to change the fact of bringing the best plane/planes to match the meta presented.  When kpop made what was a cool restriction of 1 plane per nation, it divided it into basically only two reasonable formations.  When we went with no restriction last tournament, it was all 209's.  Everyone throws a fit about heavies, but their abilities are very heavily dependent on what tier we play as to whether they are dominant.  

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GouIdy #24 Posted 06 April 2017 - 02:51 AM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 05 April 2017 - 10:17 PM, said:

 

The only plane restriction was a limit of 4 HF per team.  And that is what people asked for in the voting, to restrict HF.

 

http://forum.worldof...ent-2k17-alpha/

 

Now that that is out of the way... there is no reason SSG wont join right?

 

I am pretty sure that I remember TT saying that he & his guys would not participate as long as MARSCO was running the event.

You know makes sense, preventing his clan from competing because of a personal dislike for someone.



MARS_REVENANT #25 Posted 06 April 2017 - 03:04 AM

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View PostJetway, on 05 April 2017 - 09:40 PM, said:

 

Well it honestly doesn't matter.  In the past, we have seen that no matter whether there are restrictions or not, a certain plane or group of planes such as in air raid 6 basically dominates.  As far as I'm concerned, restrictions of any type are not going to change the fact of bringing the best plane/planes to match the meta presented.  When kpop made what was a cool restriction of 1 plane per nation, it divided it into basically only two reasonable formations.  When we went with no restriction last tournament, it was all 209's.  Everyone throws a fit about heavies, but their abilities are very heavily dependent on what tier we play as to whether they are dominant.  

 

Most people don't get that.  What I have always tried to do is change things up from event to event... so at least its not the same OP plane over and over. SOmething different every time.  The last one people wanted no restrictions... but quickly reverted to German fighter.


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MARS_REVENANT #26 Posted 06 April 2017 - 03:12 AM

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View PostGouIdy, on 05 April 2017 - 09:51 PM, said:

 

I am pretty sure that I remember TT saying that he & his guys would not participate as long as MARSCO was running the event.

You know makes sense, protecting his clan from competing because of a personal dislike for someone.

 

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Yeah, last time was all 209s, but even with no restrictions, like Jetway said, clans/teams will bring the best plane for that tier.

 

That is what happen back in Tier 4 fighter only King of the Hill style tournament we had, where only 109Bs showed up, but the players that knew better brought a light loaded 109B (only 3x 7.92mm were equipped).  But then again 1 vs 1 style play does bring out different setups because you are not worry about opposing teammates.

 

That is why I wanted to have a restricted play to where teams only can bring, for example, La-5s or planes that do not get used.

 

Now, what it seems to me that when there is more higher amount of players on each side, the battles become more interesting.  But to have a true 15v15 Tournament with the population we have now is tough to achieve.



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what about us at the bottom of the food chain will we also be playing

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View Postgerr22, on 06 April 2017 - 07:50 AM, said:

what about us at the bottom of the food chain will we also be playing

 

Anyone that puts a team together and shows up on battle nights will play.

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Doesn't matter where you stand in competition levels. The more participate in these pvp events the more fun it is. The last one was sad. Only 3 teams... 

 

Hope more would join this one. 


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You could limit all teams to only two of the same plane?


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It's been done.  Take tier 7 for example.  6v6.  Every team will bring 2 220s, 109g's and p51's.  Changes nothing.

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Why do people want to limit aircraft choice anyway? I've heard the whole 'to make it more competitive' thing a million times now, and I'm not buying it. Look at Clan Wars in World of Tanks where people run IS-7 and T110E5 all the time (last I checked... haven't been on Tanks in a long time). Does anyone realistically think that if we get Clan Wars over here Wargaming is going to limit how many of each plane we can take into a battle? If you want a tournament, call it a tournament. Clan Wars should be unrestricted.

 

 

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 07 April 2017 - 10:21 AM, said:

Why do people want to limit aircraft choice anyway? I've heard the whole 'to make it more competitive' thing a million times now, and I'm not buying it. Look at Clan Wars in World of Tanks where people run IS-7 and T110E5 all the time (last I checked... haven't been on Tanks in a long time). Does anyone realistically think that if we get Clan Wars over here Wargaming is going to limit how many of each plane we can take into a battle? If you want a tournament, call it a tournament. Clan Wars should be unrestricted.

 

 

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This is called a tournament. "2K17 Beta CWANAP Tournament"

 

 

The reason I like to have restrictions is to have something different every time, rather than everyone just playing the same planes over and over.

 

It is in the voting, I do whatever people vote for.


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Oh, my bad - saw the CW on the front there and assumed it meant Clan Wars.

 

 

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Maybe make the tournament objective based with no plane restrictions.  For example, depending on what map you choose, the winning team would need to take out a number of specific ground targets.  First team to meet the objective wins and you can't win unless you meet the objective so if one team kills the entire other team but they can't complete the objective, they still lose since a draw is considered a loss.  Do you bring a GA or do you load up heavies and MR's with rockets/bombs and what is the team make up to protect those planes.

 

Just suggesting a different approach to the standard kill all planes to win.  This does throw a wrench with WG's win criteria which will cause a match to end prematurely possibly, which probably makes this suggestion useless.



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View PostGeorgePatton, on 07 April 2017 - 10:46 AM, said:

Oh, my bad - saw the CW on the front there and assumed it meant Clan Wars.

 

 

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Maybe make the tournament objective based with no plane restrictions.  For example, depending on what map you choose, the winning team would need to take out a number of specific ground targets.  First team to meet the objective wins and you can't win unless you meet the objective so if one team kills the entire other team but they can't complete the objective, they still lose since a draw is considered a loss.  Do you bring a GA or do you load up heavies and MR's with rockets/bombs and what is the team make up to protect those planes.

 

Just suggesting a different approach to the standard kill all planes to win.  This does throw a wrench with WG's win criteria which will cause a match to end prematurely possibly, which probably makes this suggestion useless.

 

A good suggestion, but I would have to write up a whole different rule set.


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 07 April 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

 

CW = Clans With

 

 

A good suggestion, but I would have to write up a whole different rule set.

 

Was not necessarily meant for this tournament, but a future one.

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Another solution would have to be teams thinking outside of the box other than the basic BnZ strategy.

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 07 April 2017 - 01:58 PM, said:

Another solution would have to be teams thinking outside of the box other than the basic BnZ strategy.

 

Without the true fog of war, it makes it harder to do this.  Why WG can't implement fog of war in the training room is beyond me since it seems like it would not be that complicated to do.




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