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Quesnel #1 Posted 04 April 2017 - 11:35 PM

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Having watched The Force Awakens and Rogue One (again, for both) this past weekend, I have some mixed feelings about my experience.  Before I reveal which one I liked better and why, I am curious to get some opinions from others as to which one they enjoyed more.


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Finally something worthwhile on the forum, Rouge 1 was pretty good liked enough to watch twice, but that's it story line is finished. Force Awakens on the other hand is a open story book, I'm interested in seeing what they do with the Rey character.

 


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BrickSniper33 #3 Posted 05 April 2017 - 12:03 AM

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I think that rogue one was by far the better movie. FA was just another Star Wars, still good but nothing very different. However rogue one was a twist to the Star Wars films. It felt like they put in some of the not always so happyish endings that some of the comics had. rogue one to Star Wars was logan to X-Men, twist wise. Just my 2¢. Really hope that they do something just as different with the obi-wan movie  


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In truth, I was disappointed by both. In hindsight, I like TFA better than RO. For me, a person with a lot of preconceived ideas of what I know and love SW to be, was ultimately disappointed and frustrated by things portrayed, I felt, the wrong way. More so with RO than TFA. Both films could have been done much better IMHO, but the majority of SW fans don't get that. Most of my complaints would be considered nitpicks but are of high enough importance to me to upset me. Major complaints are: TFA was too cartoony in some respects and used magical elements in places where they weren't supposed to be *star killer base*cough*cough*, no capital spaceship combat, and a too closely mirrored ANH. RO was too much senseless action for the sake of "cool factor" and laymen fan pandering *Hammerhead corvette crash scene*cough*cough*, not much character development, which I would have been fine with if it were an actual warfilm and I cared about the characters, and technological and detail inconsistencies (ISD in atmosphere).

If I were involved in the making of the film I would have changed both films substantially.  


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Quesnel #5 Posted 05 April 2017 - 04:37 AM

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Perhaps, I should have opened the topic with this....

 



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Pretty much agree with this review

 

 

As for Rogue One this awesome scene alone makes the movie worth it:


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Well, I saw Star Wars IV on opening day in 1977 at the UA 70 Cinema in Seattle.

I own (well, my son now owns all my comics) the entire 1st run of the Marvel comic version. I own every movie (available for purchase), read "most" of the novels, and regularly haunt the Star Wars websites, youtube channels, and blogs.

 

Does this make me an expert?  Not in the lightest.  It just makes me a huge geek.

 

From a continuity perspective, I would probably rate Episode VII a little higher than Rogue One, for the sole reason that it serves to continue the Skywalker saga (albeit is a far different direction than anyone who has ever read the novelizations could ever imagine). However, it was formulaic in the extreme, and seemed more like a "re-boot" than a continuation of the story arc.

 

Rogue One, on the other hand, was brilliant in its story telling, showing the darker underworld and featuring the shady characters that would normally appear as "villains" in a "typical" Star Wars story. It tells the story of an integral part of the defeat of the Empire at the Battle of Yavin, one that was only briefly alluded to in Episode IV, way back in 1977. The characters were diverse: witty, gritty, sketchy, dirty, noble, heroic, and doomed. Hell, everyone dies!!


As a stand alone piece of cinematic art and storytelling, Rogue One beats Episode VII hands down.


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Texthor #8 Posted 05 April 2017 - 01:27 PM

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Luke suks......Indiana rules......

 



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Rogue One is better IMO. Just watched it again last night. I loved the way they tied in story lines and characters from A New Hope. Don't get me wrong, I liked The Force Awakens, just liked Rogue One better! I'm like Skip, have seen them all in theater, and own them all on blue-ray. For fathers day last year my wife and kids bought me a t-shirt that has Darth Vader on it and and says "I am your father" and another one with Vader that says "#1 dad". Yes, I am a Star Wars nerd!

                                                                    

 


Quesnel #10 Posted 05 April 2017 - 08:07 PM

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Remember, this is only my opinion and not an indepth review of both movies to sway folks into liking one over the other.

 

****May Contain Spoilers****

 

The Force Awakens is like visiting an old friend, after many years of separation. I like Harrison Ford as an actor and seeing him portraying Han Solo one more time was the entire movie for me (and having Peter Mayhew put on the Chewbacca fur was an added bonus). Okay, I guess I had better complete the trinity by including the Millennium Falcon too.

 

But, that's about it. I found the storyline to have many unanswered questions that are not addressed in the movie (like, Where did the First Order come from? What is the role of the Republic in this future? among others). I understand the novels and comics cover some of this, but I am not really in the mood to spend the extra dollars to fill the void. Also, The Force Awakens is very dependent on the viewer to be familiar with Star Wars, either reading the novels, comics or seeing the previous movies. Would somebody understand why Kylo Ren would seek counsel from a mangled and burnt helmet of his grandfather, without any fore knowledge of what the movie was about?

 

Then, there is Rey and Finn. Rey feels like a hybrid character, an odd melding of Anakin and Luke, but as a girl and just happens to have the most amazing luck and timing ever. A couple of minutes at the controls of a spacecraft she has never flown before and then she is able to perform maneuvers that seasoned veterans would struggle to accomplish? Of course, the Force seems to be just switched on with her and with no training, beats down one of the main antagonists? That is asking for a real leap of faith....

 

With Finn, I get a Stormtrooper who suddenly develops a conscience and is almost instantly trusted by the good guys? I see a character that is comic relief, a sidekick on the opposite end of the spectrum as Jar Jar Binks. Plus, I am not sure who wrote some of his lines, but that dialogue already feels dated, like 2016.

 

From a special effect standpoint, the movie delivered, like all the previous Star Wars films before it. Anyone who is familiar with J.J. Abrams work will see his director fingerprints all over this movie, which could be a good/bad thing, depends on how you look at it. I give him double credit for this, being trusted to bring another chapter in the Star Wars saga to the big screen and still putting in touches to make this movie his own. Much like he did with the Star Trek reboot (some liked it, others, not so much).

 

With all of that aside, there was a breaking point in the movie where I nearly walked out of the theater, the first time I saw it. THEY KILLED HAN! However, putting my personal feelings aside, I know it's a recycled plot point to move the prodigy towards their destiny (remember old Ben Kenobi and Qui Gon Jinn?). But still....THEY KILLED HAN!

 

Perhaps, this will all be explained in the necessary sequel.

 

 

For me, Rogue One was the better movie and here's why.

 

Unlike The Force Awakens, Rogue One is a very much a character driven story, touching on all aspects of the human experience. Trust, love found, love lost, inner reflection, faith and self-sacrifice for the greater good.

 

The stoyline worked for me, giving Jyn Erso a beginning and purpose, the internal conflict with Cassian Andor, the not-over-the-top comic moments with K-2SO and my personal favorites, the buddies Chirrut Îmwe and Baze Malbus. Although this was more of a "Jyn's Journey," everyone else through presence or dialogue, added to the story and helped it move forward.

 

Rogue One also had a few other things going for it, such as being a stand alone movie. A viewer who had little to no Star Wars experience could immediately jump in and get a lot out of what was going on. The characters and events pretty much explained themselves and tied in very nicely into the already established Star Wars lore. It was also nice to see the connection to the other movies, like the cameos of familiar friends (C-3PO and R2-D2 on Yavin IV) and through the aid of technology, bringing Peter Cushing, who played Grand Moff Tarkin, back to life (some didn't like this). And of course, Darth Vader....

 

Just like The Force Awakens, Rogue One came through in the special effects eye candy department, I was on the edge of my seat during the aerial battle on Scarif (and in the space above too). A carefully listening ear could pick out the changes in sound effects for some well known weapons, but that would be splitting hairs over a very enjoyable experience. Another nice touch was the "tropical" changes to the AT-AT walkers (I guess the Empire had a shortage of air conditioners).

 

However, there was a major point to the movie that I suspect only a select few picked up on: the mission is everything. Everyone who died, did so with a purpose (even those poor, wretched souls on Jeda). No personal glory for the heroes or individual achievements to claim, just get the job done, no matter the cost.

 

Rogue One was the better movie for me, simply because of the....human factor.


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Kiwiav8r #11 Posted 05 April 2017 - 09:55 PM

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Is it too late to respond?

 

Before I start,  I want to make absolutely clear that I am not trolling and I do not intend to offend anyone whose opinions differ from mine.   I shall also qualify my remarks a little.  When I go to see a movie, not only do I like to be entertained, I tend to pick apart the craft of film making to see if the movie works.  Does the story have a clear narrative?  Do the characters fulfill their niche in the story?  Is each character we're introduced to absolutely necessary to move the plot along?  Are the motivations for each characters actions clear?

 

Ep 7: 

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Rogue One:

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Overall, I prefer Rogue One because it works better as a movie despite its flaws.  The Force Awakens has better moments in it, but it drowned in heavy handed acting and unoriginality.


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View PostKiwiav8r, on 05 April 2017 - 09:55 PM, said:

Is it too late to respond?

 

Nope and more thoughts/opinions from others is welcome.


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I have to disagree with you, Kiwi. I enjoyed Donnie Yen and Wen Jiang. To me they were a glimpse into what the religion of the Jedi order was about. Their humor was also appreciated in the seemingly helpless situation on Jedha. I loved Chirrut's reaction when they put the hood over his head! Their story of devotion to your friends was also well interwoven into the storyline. No doubt that it was to bolster views in China, but worth it to me.

 

Other than this small disagreement, a very well thought out critique of the film! Enjoyed it!

 

Thanks for starting this thread Quesnel!

 

I am also now looking forward to the other "Star Wars Stories" that are slated to come. Han Solo, and Obi-Wan Kenobi, as well as the rumored Boba Fett and Yoda movies.


                                                                    

 


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I've changed my mind, THIS is a far better film: :D

 


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This remake was pretty solid.


 

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Great topic!

I'm a massive SW nerd myself, and like Warchylde, I saw this back in the 70's. I was really little, and my grandmother took me to see it, and the rest of the original trilogy when they came out. Guess what? As an adult, I took her to see all the prequel movies on their opening weekends to repay her! Best memories!

TFA was good. There's alot to like and dislike about it. My problems with it: It rehashed too much. Another Death Star? O brother. While Rey is very likable, she's a "mary sue". As pointed out above, she seems very knowledgeable about everything, and good right off at virtually everything she does. They killed Han without a big 3 reunion! (Luke, Leia, Han). JarJar Abrams said no Luke because the story became all about him, when they were trying to make the story about the new characters. I get it, but hindsight and the fact that they only have Luke if he makes it past VIII may bite them. I liked it alot, but it's still behind ANH, ESB, and ROTJ in my rankings.

 

Now Rogue One, you know how it's ending, it's just about the journey getting there. Vader porn! An epic space battle! Everybody dies! callouts to the prequels and wraps up loose ends from ANH. Gotta say I liked it slightly more than TFA.

 

Now I have hope that TFA will be better when viewed in the context of being part 1 of a completed trilogy, and all the loose ends tied up and questions answered. Maybe it will make more sense.

 


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I liked FOrce Awakens better.

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