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FreeFOXMIKE #1 Posted 31 March 2017 - 12:08 PM

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The basic armament of the F-104 was the 20 mm (.79 in) M61 Vulcan Gatling-mechanism autocannon. This weapon frequently had shell ejection problems due to linked ammunition resulting in avionic problems and crashes. A linkless ammunition feed system was developed for the upgraded M61A1 installed in the F-104C and later models. The Starfighter was the first aircraft to carry the new weapon, which had a rate of fire of 6,000 rounds per minute. The cannon, mounted in the lower part of the port fuselage, was fed by a 725-round drum behind the pilot's seat, giving only a continuous 7+ second burst of fire. It was omitted in all the two-seat models and some single-seat versions, including 

. The F-104C and later models added a centerline pylon and two underwing pylons for bombs, rocket pods, or fuel tanks. 


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One of my favorite planes!!

 

"The cannon, mounted in the lower part of the port fuselage, was fed by a 725-round drum behind the pilot's seat, giving only a continuous 7+ second burst of fire."

 I would be out of ammo 10 seconds after the battle began.:teethhappy:


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I don't think flying this plane can be contain within the game mechanics. It just to much of a boss and will stress the game engine.

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View PostDragonMaxx, on 31 March 2017 - 06:36 AM, said:

One of my favorite planes!!

 

"The cannon, mounted in the lower part of the port fuselage, was fed by a 725-round drum behind the pilot's seat, giving only a continuous 7+ second burst of fire."

 I would be out of ammo 10 seconds after the battle began.:teethhappy:

 yes in a simulator but this is an Arcade so no worries  lol :great:

We have the never ending never jam Hollywood movie battle Mags  lol 

and if we ever reload we have this guy for the gunner 


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Would like to see it in game, however i believe it would be disqualified by WGing as it has supersonic capabilities.

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View PostBobozeeBear, on 31 March 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

Would like to see it in game, however i believe it would be disqualified by WGing as it has supersonic capabilities.

 

It is also too new having come out in 1958. If they would bend the mach plus rule the F-100 would work having come out in 1954.

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Australia was thinking of (and expected to) getting the F-104, but instead we did something left field and got a licence to build the French Mirage III instead.

I can still remember seeing them going over my school on the way to the bombing range just outside my home town (Evans Head) back in the 70's.

I also remember thinking I'm going to fly fighters when I grow up. Then the reality of me sucking at school kicked in :facepalm:


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View PostBrushWolf, on 31 March 2017 - 12:38 PM, said:

 

It is also too new having come out in 1958. If they would bend the mach plus rule the F-100 would work having come out in 1954.

they just nerf it like they do all the rest ------ you dont think the in game planes are flying at specs ?

First flight 17 February 1956 (YF-104A)
Introduction 20 February 1958

 

but the first  prototype (on paper)  was presented to the Air Force in November 1952, and they were interested enough to create a General Operating Requirement for a lightweight fighter to replace the F-100

If they were that concerned about it the Zero would have problems going to the right and the 109 going to the left. and we would not have my favorites the paper planes ( you know they ones never produced ,and never flown) 


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Well i hope you can convince Wging FFM, then maybe my favorite 50's aircraft can make it in, the F4 Phantom

 

https://en.wikipedia..._F-4_Phantom_II


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View PostBobozeeBear, on 31 March 2017 - 06:26 PM, said:

Well i hope you can convince Wging FFM, then maybe my favorite 50's aircraft can make it in, the F4 Phantom

 the prototype and the first one maybe 

 

just not sure when  they added the external gun pod (1 or 2) which slightly slowed the AC down

 

http://www.joebaughe...hters/f4_7.html

 

 

they could add them as US ground attack with no guns and just slightly better speed to out run other T-10 class ac

 

(factoid the prototypes were single seat)


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View PostBigWaveSurfer, on 31 March 2017 - 04:18 PM, said

I also remember thinking I'm going to fly fighters when I grow up. Then the reality of me sucking at school kicked in :facepalm:

 With me it was my eyes back then they did not have RK surgery to correct vision 


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View PostBigWaveSurfer, on 31 March 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

I also remember thinking I'm going to fly fighters when I grow up. Then the reality of me sucking at school kicked in :facepalm:

 

​In my case I did well enough in school. My problem was genetics. The cut off for F-18 pilots was 6'1", while I ended up being 6'5". Too much meat and dairy growing up. :rolleyes:

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on 01 April 2017 - 03:43 AM, said:

 

​In my case I did well enough in school. My problem was genetics. The cut off for F-18 pilots was 6'1", while I ended up being 6'5". Too much meat and dairy growing up. :rolleyes:

 

Gee I only got to 5'11" and I ate all my meat and dairy......oh wait, does brains, kidney and liver count as meat  :unsure:
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View PostFreeFOXMIKE, on 31 March 2017 - 07:31 PM, said:

 the prototype and the first one maybe 

 

just not sure when  they added the external gun pod (1 or 2) which slightly slowed the AC down

 

 

The external gun pod added to F4 Cs and Ds (I believe that it consisted of a single 20mm cannon @ 6,000 rpm)  happened during Viet Nam, around 1965 or 1966, when the unreliability of the Sparrows & Sidewinders left the Phantoms with nothing to fight with.  The Air Force received the F4E in 1967, with an M61A1 20mm Vulcan mounted internally under the radome in the nose.  The Navy and Marines never flew a Phantom with an internal gun system.  

When the US first sold Phantoms to Israel, it was the Air Force F4E.


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FFM, we just can't be friends moving forward if you're going to suggest a F-4 Phantom should be considered a GA. I know the Phantom carried snake and nape but dirt eaters don't carry Sparrows! The 'Rhino' would definitely fall into to multirole category, punt out the F7U in tier 10 (more of a light bomber) slot in the F-4 with the M-61 Vulcan in the nose with two pods of MK-4 rockets and just for you FFM maybe a couple bombs...

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To add, unfortunately Dracarys has lost many players to the fiasco of 1.5/1.6 Kodranger being one of them. The greatest guy to talk to and I bring him up now because he used to be a Wild Weasel in Phantoms back in Vietnam, I loved to just sit and listen to his experiences back then flying.

Back in beta WGing used to have interview segments, I wish Kod would have had on of those interviews. It would have been awesome him talking about the Phantoms performance back in the day and playing bait to the radar gun emplacements of the NVA. I wish he would come back, I'm very proud to have gotten to know that man.


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I remember a few TS talks with Kod...  And yes, any idea that the F-4 Phantom would be GA is nothing short of a blasphemy.


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View Post_Warchylde_, on 01 April 2017 - 05:19 AM, said:

 

The external gun pod added to F4 Cs and Ds (I believe that it consisted of a single 20mm cannon @ 6,000 rpm)  happened during Viet Nam, around 1965 or 1966, when the unreliability of the Sparrows & Sidewinders left the Phantoms with nothing to fight with.  The Air Force received the F4E in 1967, with an M61A1 20mm Vulcan mounted internally under the radome in the nose.  The Navy and Marines never flew a Phantom with an internal gun system.  

When the US first sold Phantoms to Israel, it was the Air Force F4E.

 

 yep when they first came out they thought the way of the future was missiles ,but they missiles they had  were of little use so they not only had to go back to guns ,but had to reteach pilots the art of air to air gunnery 

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View Post_Laserguided_, on 01 April 2017 - 02:23 PM, said:

I remember a few TS talks with Kod...  And yes, any idea that the F-4 Phantom would be GA is nothing short of a blasphemy.

 

 ok when we getting missiles  :popcorn: lol as bad as they were at the start they could fit in nicely as they could rarely ever hit anything 

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