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_Warchylde_ #1 Posted 08 March 2017 - 02:04 PM

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Hey Y'all,

 

As you know, I've just recently started playing again after a year's hiatus, and I have a couple of questions about my 209A, which I would like to address to The Gallery.

Back when we were the lucky recipients of "the canon nerf", I pulled the 30mms off of a few of my German planes (most notably the 410 and the 209A), and started carrying all 20's instead.

 

During a recent flight in my 410 with Jetway, he mentioned that the impact of said cannon nerf has been ameliorated somewhat in recent months, and I noticed that I was taking three passes to kill an IL-2, rather than the customary 2 passes.  I have already re-mounted the 30's on my 410, but the jury is still out on that move.

 

This brings me to my questions.

Should I remount the 30mm hub on my 209A?

I have enjoyed the maneuverability I gained from mounting 3x 20mms, but my 209A has Lightweight Airframe, Aircraft Polish, and Engine Tuning equipped, and my pilot has Eagle Eye, Engine Guru I and  Aerobatics Expert skills.  Is this enough to offset the loss in maneuverability from remounting the 30mm?

 

If I DO remount the 30mm, should I go all the way and mount the top 30mm, or settle for the 1st 30mm?

I notice a significant difference in rate of fire between the 1st and 2nd 30mm (200 vs 60).  Is the extra DPS and range worth the much slower ROF and increased loss of maeuverability?  (Remember, I'm not the laser-accurate crack shot that Bobo or Bubba is....)

 

Thanks for y'all's input. I value the opinions of MOST of you. :B

 

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GouIdy #2 Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:18 PM

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I run all 20's on mine, I have tried both 30's & find with a higher than average ping(150-180) I am not able to land shots consistently enough to benefit from the extra firepower. I still find the 20's more than capable of shredding planes & the closer in you get the better. In my opinion the lighter setup also gives you an edge in survivability with better speed, climb rate & maneuverability. I suggest trying all 3 setups for at least 5 games each so you can determine your own preference to suit your ability & play style.

EspressoForHammy #3 Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:23 PM

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I personally would run the 30mm, but I have 30-40 ping, I love the sniper shots, and am very good at landing 30-37mm from the Lagg-3-34, XFL, XP-58, and J7 series. Shooting large-bore cannon takes practice.

 

The entire setup for the shot is different, and the average aiming point as well. Also the overheat factor gets a LOT of people into trouble. Managing overheat while still hitting at ranges outside the range of the 20mms is doable, but difficult.

 

You saying you aren't a crack shot makes me want to recommend the 20mms.


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Psicko23 #4 Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:47 PM

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The top 30mm cannon is harder to hit with and takes some practice. When they hit, they hit pretty hard. For some reason I don't do as well with the 30mm cannons on the 209 compared to the ta152 or even the Russian setup of 1x37mm and 2x23mm. I prefer the 20's on the 209. Maybe I should put the 30's on and try again. 

BrushWolf #5 Posted 08 March 2017 - 03:57 PM

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Try the 30's but just like EPA fuel mileage ratings YMMV.

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CrayoIaCrayon #6 Posted 08 March 2017 - 04:15 PM

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I personally run the top 30 and love it.  Btw war I would get rid of the polish on the 209.  I don't run it on any planes anymore.

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View PostJetway, on 08 March 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

I personally run the top 30 and love it.  Btw war I would get rid of the polish on the 209.  I don't run it on any planes anymore.

 

Agreed, even the reinforced fuel tank is better than polish at this point.

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tyy #8 Posted 08 March 2017 - 06:17 PM

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I tend to avoid 30's because unless you are crack shot they are liabilities not assets....how i would love a 262 with 20's rather than 30's!

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View Posttyy, on 08 March 2017 - 12:17 PM, said:

I tend to avoid 30's because unless you are crack shot they are liabilities not assets....how i would love a 262 with 20's rather than 30's!

 

There are more than a few planes in the game where the lead indicator lies and not just for the aiming point. Try firing from a lot closer, under 1000 feet or 300 meters.

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View PostJetway, on 08 March 2017 - 11:15 AM, said:

I personally run the top 30 and love it.  Btw war I would get rid of the polish on the 209.  I don't run it on any planes anymore.

 

View PostEspressoForHammy, on 08 March 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

 

Agreed, even the reinforced fuel tank is better than polish at this point.

 

I am curious as to why you gentlemen feel this way about the polish.


 


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Aircraft polish increases your maximum top speed by 5% or 3% at high tiers.  How often are you ever traveling at max speed to enjoy that increase?  

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View PostJetway, on 08 March 2017 - 06:42 PM, said:

Aircraft polish increases your maximum top speed by 5% or 3% at high tiers.  How often are you ever traveling at max speed to enjoy that increase?  

 

Well, polish CLAIMS it increases max speed, but WG understates it.

 

Polish actually, in a test constructed by an ex-member of this forum, increases speed overall throughout the range including max speed, but it's VERY minimal, and doesn't affect your aircraft positively at all when you climb and altitude drag slows you down. Polish was more effective than engine tuning at level flight in the green range. The only benefit to engine tuning was that it still affected speed in a climb, and is free to remove off the plane when changing equipment.

 

The tiny boost in airspeed would almost never save your plane, especially after the addition of bots and their ridiculous ability to perform head-on attacks. Putting extra flaps or an upgraded fuel tank have a much greater chance of increasing your survivability.

 

Of course these tests were done 2 years ago in a different version of the game, so it's very possible that it all changed.


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