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SOJO #1 Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:17 PM

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Foundation – In part;

 

First and foremost, I hated to detract from my initial Clan requirements, with a populace of 500’ish players on any given night on the NA Server; having a 65% win rate for a recruiting standard was stringent at best.

 

Unlike WOT with an average of 20,000 players on any given night – The pool of candidates within our WOWP community is like fishing an almost dry lake bed.

 

I do make this solemn promise; I refuse to drop my standards any  further;  To drop them any further I will have to commit my clan to the usual mundane rabble; When a clan becomes rabble what’s the point; It’s a sin I am unwilling to bare.

 

I changed my recruiting thread(s) to reflect the requirement changes as listed –

 

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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo; QUESTION?

 

If you have time I am curious as to how higher win rates act as a filter to limit the amount of rabble that would join a clan?

 

Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo; PHILOSPHY!

 

I would just allow people that I personally like regardless of win rate. If they became annoying I'd kick them out. I like simple rules... hehe

 

(SOJOISM -  RULE 04, RESPONSE) - 

 

Rabble SOJO Definition; "one who has 3000 games played with a 45% Win rate or below", Rabble - 

 

P.S. I'm not worried about who likes who, I just want players with Common Sense, and I could give a crap if they are nice or not! I'll kick a friendly Idiot before I'll kick a common sense prick!

 

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losttwo #2 Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:29 AM

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Wargaming is selling Common Sense for 300 gold a month, prick not included.


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Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #3 Posted 10 January 2017 - 02:35 AM

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View PostSOJO, on 09 January 2017 - 04:17 PM, said:

Foundation – In part;

 

First and foremost, I hated to detract from my initial Clan requirements, with a populace of 500’ish players on any given night on the NA Server; having a 65% win rate for a recruiting standard was stringent at best.

 

Unlike WOT with an average of 20,000 players on any given night – The pool of candidates within our WOWP community is like fishing an almost dry lake bed.

 

I do make this solemn promise; I refuse to drop my standards any  further;  To drop them any further I will have to commit my clan to the usual mundane rabble; When a clan becomes rabble what’s the point; It’s a sin I am unwilling to bare.

 

I changed my recruiting thread(s) to reflect the requirement changes as listed –

 

**********

 

Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo; QUESTION?

 

If you have time I am curious as to how higher win rates act as a filter to limit the amount of rabble that would join a clan?

 

Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo; PHILOSPHY!

 

I would just allow people that I personally like regardless of win rate. If they became annoying I'd kick them out. I like simple rules... hehe

 

(SOJOISM -  RULE 04, RESPONSE) - 

 

Rabble SOJO Definition; "one who has 3000 games played with a 45% Win rate or below", Rabble - 

 

P.S. I'm not worried about who likes who, I just want players with Common Sense, and I could give a crap if they are nice or not! I'll kick a friendly Idiot before I'll kick a common sense prick!

 

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Highly impressed in the simplicity of your answer/rule. MARS/MARCO/MARwhatever**** taught me that we are allowed to believe whateverthehell we want to believe... I believe he's correct... as are you.

 

 

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


SOJO #4 Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:42 AM

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View PostAce_BOTlistic_Cosmo, on 09 January 2017 - 09:35 PM, said:

 

Highly impressed in the simplicity of your answer/rule. MARS/MARCO/MARwhatever**** taught me that we are allowed to believe whateverthehell we want to believe... I believe he's correct... as are you.

 

 

 

 

Luv ya Ace, But, what is there to believe - 45% win rate? 3000 Games Plus -  I would deem that as "YOU SUCK" It;s not a History Mystery lol

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MARS_REVENANT #5 Posted 10 January 2017 - 05:03 AM

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Truth is what you believe is fact.

 

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Dave12w #6 Posted 10 January 2017 - 10:30 AM

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Win rate generally correlates to skill level but

not always, someone who only flys heavies and

only ever in a flight with a win rate of 70% will

often get smashed when they fly solo in a fighter,

doesnt mean there not a compentent flyer just

means stats can cause a cranial inflation that 

Must be defended at all cost.  



losttwo #7 Posted 10 January 2017 - 12:19 PM

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View PostDave12w, on 10 January 2017 - 05:30 AM, said:

Win rate generally correlates to skill level but

not always, someone who only flys heavies and

only ever in a flight with a win rate of 70% will

often get smashed when they fly solo in a fighter,

doesnt mean there not a compentent flyer just

means stats can cause a cranial inflation that 

Must be defended at all cost.  

 

Win rate always correlates to skill level.

If a person only flies the winning planes and in a winning fashion does that not mean he has enough

common sense and intelligence to DESERVE a 70% or better win rate ?

Why would he, being a winner, fly anything else.

 

Wouldn't the same pilot, being concerned about a cranial hemorrhage, create a secondary account.

The sole purpose if a secondary is to become proficient in a given plane before flying in his primary.

 

Common sense and intelligence do go hand in hand and correlates win rate.

 

Then there is me who is all dilligaf about win rate...I just want to fly all the planes I can.

I don't care if I am good in them or not.



Ace_BOTlistic_Cosmo #8 Posted 10 January 2017 - 03:09 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 10 January 2017 - 07:19 AM, said:

 

Win rate always correlates to skill level.

If a person only flies the winning planes and in a winning fashion does that not mean he has enough

common sense and intelligence to DESERVE a 70% or better win rate ?

Why would he, being a winner, fly anything else.

 

Wouldn't the same pilot, being concerned about a cranial hemorrhage, create a secondary account.

The sole purpose if a secondary is to become proficient in a given plane before flying in his primary.

 

Common sense and intelligence do go hand in hand and correlates win rate.

 

Then there is me who is all dilligaf about win rate...I just want to fly all the planes I can.

I don't care if I am good in them or not.

 

... it's true, he is very dilligaf with me too... always has been (as far as I can tell) and seems to not be changing

 

 

 


if the pilot's good, see, I mean, if he's really..sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low [he spreads his arms like wings and laughs],

you oughtta see it sometime, it's a sight. A big plane like a '52. VRROOM! There's jet exhaust, fryin' chickens in the barnyard.


Dave12w #9 Posted 10 January 2017 - 04:41 PM

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I have no doubt losttwo it would take an inordinate 

amount of effort for our hypothetical flyer to only

fly those certain planes under certain conditions

and to create a secondary account.  And if it's all

for stats that's a lot of hard work and the stats are

earned.  People play for different reasons, some

Casually, some for a challange and some to inflate

stats.


Edited by Dave12w, 10 January 2017 - 04:43 PM.


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View PostDave12w, on 10 January 2017 - 05:30 AM, said:

Win rate generally correlates to skill level but

not always, someone who only flys heavies and

only ever in a flight with a win rate of 70% will

often get smashed when they fly solo in a fighter,

doesnt mean there not a compentent flyer just

means stats can cause a cranial inflation that 

Must be defended at all cost.  

 

I'm one of those you are trying to offend in your post.  I fly planes if they cause me to win the round.  This is how it's been since I started playing WOWP.  I used to fly a lot of fighters and Japanese as I could tear sh*t up with them in 1.3/1.4.  I usually run each of my heavies once a day.  But, that's Persha's fault for making heavies the best plane; they have the highest altitude, speed, and usually best effective guns.  Once they nerfed the fighters' guns, I mostly stopped playing them.  On the other hand, in the "other game" I don't rely on heavies.  I do also fly some of my favorite fighters, multi-roles (F4U), and ME 265 too, but that doesn't stop me from getting hate messages for running double heavies.

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Not trying to cause offence Gundy, just a true fact

stats can be manipulated so they are not always

accurate.  And that those who play to inflate them

can get stuck into the spiral of thinking that are more

than they are.  Which leads them to only fly under 

conditions were they have a non competitive advantage

to reinforce this.  No need for sensivitity, it's how it is.


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While percentage is not the end all and be all of a players ability at this game, a loose percentage minimum I believe can be the starting point. If a players percentage is lower then that of the base win rate for someone who logs in but never fights (lets say he crashes or just goes back to base) that should suffice as a starting point. My guess at this circumstance would be 35%-43%, that's for just logging in. Any lower and I believe you may be actively trying to hurt your teams. Those between 43% and 50% I give the benefit of the doubt to and assume they are just learning or don't really care. Anyone with a percentage rate above 50% is holding their own and by virtue of that, should be given the respect deserved by any player in this game. Are they SICK material, that's SOJO's call.


 


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Hello All

 

Most of the time players with a 50% win rate or less are all about excuses made out of pure laziness. For players who are constantly making excuses…the negative energy it takes to do so could instead be used on getting better.

 

Great things come to those who work hard for it and that goes for everything in life. Opportunities will pass you by if you don’t take advantage of them. Simple as that.

 

So next time you hear a player whining about why they don’t have a good win rate and it’s everyone else’s fault, ask them what have they done to get better!

 

  • Winners see solutions, Loser see Problems
  • Winners take responsibility, losers blame others
  • Winners see the gain, Losers see the pain –

 

To end,

 

Winners see an answer for every problem; Losers see a problem in every answer!


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View PostDave12w, on 10 January 2017 - 12:35 PM, said:

Not trying to cause offence Gundy, just a true fact

stats can be manipulated so they are not always

accurate.  And that those who play to inflate them

can get stuck into the spiral of thinking that are more

than they are.  Which leads them to only fly under 

conditions were they have a non competitive advantage

to reinforce this.  No need for sensivitity, it's how it is.

 

True. Stats can be inflated.  I know there's people out there that are better than they appear to be than by their advertised win-rate.  I used to be one of them.  When we had a larger community, stats were more accurate based on Human v Human competition, and also before bots, stats were more accurate.  However, the game is where it's at now, and we must align ourselves with identifying a higher than usual win-rate to show the better pilot.

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Why are people so butt hurt over Win Rates?

 

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Not sure. There are so many ways to look at it, so many are correct given an individual's perspective. My son got into the Call of Duty series a few years ago when he was in high school. I remember one time he went into some anger fit that I actually went upstairs and asked what the hell was going on, actually threw his controller and broke it. It's a video game, it's your leisure time. It's absolutely your choice to do with it what you see fit. Make sure first and foremost that you enjoy yourself. If you are not, do something else. It's not real nor does it have any influence on reality. If it does, now we have a problem.......

losttwo #17 Posted 11 January 2017 - 05:55 PM

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win rate is like a Colonoscopy..


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View Postlosttwo, on 11 January 2017 - 12:55 PM, said:

win rate is like a Colonoscopy..

 

But...


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 11 January 2017 - 10:44 AM, said:

Why are people so butt hurt over Win Rates?

 

It's like driving behind someone going 45 mph in the 70 mph zone and there is no way to pass them up; hence watching a 45% idiot shooting ground targets in his fighter at the beginning of the game; The rage we all feel watching ignorant idiots being idiots. At least when someone has a 60% rate you would hope the law of averages swing in the favor of competence; Win rate is the only thing we have to gauge a players common sense worth!


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View PostSOJO, on 11 January 2017 - 05:44 PM, said:

 

It's like driving behind someone going 45 mph in the 70 mph zone and there is no way to pass them up; hence watching a 45% idiot shooting ground targets in his fighter at the beginning of the game; The rage we all feel watching ignorant idiots being idiots. At least when someone has a 60% rate you would hope the law of averages swing in the favor of competence; Win rate is the only thing we have to gauge a players common sense worth!

 

I meant why are people so butt hurt over other people having good win rates.

 

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