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Poll: Tournament Set Up (58 members have cast votes)

Map Preference

  1. Arctic Region (3 votes [5.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.88%

  2. Asian Border (4 votes [7.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.84%

  3. Bay (17 votes [33.33%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

  4. El Halluf (6 votes [11.76%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.76%

  5. Fjords (21 votes [41.18%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.18%

Tier Preference

  1. Tier 6 (6 votes [10.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.71%

  2. Tier 7 (4 votes [7.14%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

  3. Tier 8 (17 votes [30.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.36%

  4. Tier 9 (6 votes [10.71%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.71%

  5. Tier10 (23 votes [41.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.07%

Battle Duration

  1. 10 Minutes (24 votes [41.38%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.38%

  2. 15 Minutes (34 votes [58.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 58.62%

Hide Enemy Aircraft Models in Training Room

  1. Yes (46 votes [79.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 79.31%

  2. No (12 votes [20.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.69%

Plane Restrictions

  1. Limit Heavy Fighters (31 votes [58.49%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 58.49%

  2. No Restrictions. (21 votes [39.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 39.62%

  3. Other. Post your ideas below (1 vote [1.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.89%

Team Size

  1. 5 v 5 (8 votes [14.04%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 14.04%

  2. 8 v 8 (16 votes [28.07%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.07%

  3. 10 v 10 (20 votes [35.09%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.09%

  4. 15 v 15 (13 votes [22.81%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 22.81%

Battle Days Pick Your Top 5 Days to Battle

  1. Tuesday (24 votes [17.91%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.91%

  2. Wednesday (17 votes [12.69%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 12.69%

  3. Thursday (26 votes [19.40%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.40%

  4. Friday (32 votes [23.88%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.88%

  5. Saturday (35 votes [26.12%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 26.12%

Type Of Tournament (Bracket Setup)

  1. Single Stage - Double Elimination (10 votes [21.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 21.74%

  2. Two Stage - Round Robin (determines seeding) Double Elimination (36 votes [78.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 78.26%

If Two Stage Round Robin Should All Teams Move Up or Just Top Teams?

  1. All teams should move forward. Round robin will just determine seeding in elimination bracket (34 votes [70.83%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 70.83%

  2. Only top teams should move forward to elimination brackets. (14 votes [29.17%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 29.17%

How many battles should determine the victor of each round?

  1. 1 Battle (5 votes [10.42%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.42%

  2. Best of 3 (20 votes [41.67%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.67%

  3. Best of 5 (23 votes [47.92%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 47.92%

How many battles should be scheduled each week?

  1. 2 Battles per week (39 votes [82.98%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 82.98%

  2. 3 Battles per week (8 votes [17.02%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 17.02%

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MARS_REVENANT #21 Posted 07 January 2017 - 01:28 AM

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View PostGouIdy, on 06 January 2017 - 08:11 PM, said:

So 10 vs 10 HF's.... boring.

 

well get in your alt account and vote to restrict HFs.

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GeorgePatton #22 Posted 07 January 2017 - 01:57 AM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 06 January 2017 - 08:28 PM, said:

 

well get in your alt account and vote to restrict HFs.

 

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LBAEZ #23 Posted 07 January 2017 - 03:41 PM

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i am down for sat morning to 100pm eastcoast time zone but great idea you have my support and several of my guys will be in

 



MARS_REVENANT #24 Posted 07 January 2017 - 05:01 PM

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View PostLBAEZ, on 07 January 2017 - 10:41 AM, said:

i am down for sat morning to 100pm eastcoast time zone but great idea you have my support and several of my guys will be in

 

 

Oh man... probably one of the most important poll questions that got left out.... battle times.  Thanks for the reminder.

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MARS_REVENANT #25 Posted 08 January 2017 - 05:31 AM

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Last day for voting.  It will al be finalized Sunday evening, and a team registration thread will be started.

 

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Agnotology #26 Posted 08 January 2017 - 10:44 AM

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My vote is for no restrictions first and foremost. 

That would, on the flip side, usually mean all heavies/ BF109 planes used.

So I vote tier 7 for accessibility and the best balance for planes. 220s and 109s would dominate, but the most coordinated teams would win.

With the IL-10 and 265 being available if you wanted to see how well your Yak-9U/ Yak-3rd / YAK-3 / A7M skills are at.

 

The only question - Should 302's be allowed.... given that when they are top tier, they outclass just about everything up high with that ridiculous boost/maneuverability/gun combo.

 

I would also argue against the "best of" as terms for winning - would prefer to see a First to "x" wins, personally. 4 maybe?


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GouIdy #27 Posted 08 January 2017 - 02:19 PM

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View PostAgnotology, on 08 January 2017 - 05:44 AM, said:

 

I would also argue against the "best of" as terms for winning - would prefer to see a First to "x" wins, personally. 4 maybe?

 

"Best of" is the same thing as "first to".

MARS_REVENANT #28 Posted 08 January 2017 - 02:26 PM

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View PostGouIdy, on 08 January 2017 - 09:19 AM, said:

 

"Best of" is the same thing as "first to".

 

Not necessarily, teams can DRAW.  So a best of 7 games with DRAWS can mean a team could win the round 3-2 with 2 DRAWS.  There are also guidelines in the rules for draws, but first to 4 wins would mean they would have to keep playing until 1 team got 4 wins, no matter how many DRAWS.  The downside is that it may take longer, especially in a best of 7 or first to 4 wins, that could go up to an hour and 45 minutes + breaks between battles.

 

The polls show most want to have best of 3, considering that is so few battles, I might consider a first to 2 wins option which would eliminate the hassle of dealing with DRAWS.


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GouIdy #29 Posted 08 January 2017 - 02:39 PM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 08 January 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

 

Not necessarily, teams can DRAW.  So a best of 7 games with DRAWS can mean a team could win the round 3-2 with 2 DRAWS.  There are also guidelines in the rules for draws, but first to 4 wins would mean they would have to keep playing until 1 team got 4 wins, no matter how many DRAWS.  The downside is that it may take longer, especially in a best of 7 or first to 4 wins, that could go up to an hour and 45 minutes + breaks between battles.

 

The polls show most want to have best of 3, considering that is so few battles, I might consider a first to 2 wins option which would eliminate the hassle of dealing with DRAWS.

 

In the past draws did not count... simple.

MARS_REVENANT #30 Posted 08 January 2017 - 03:29 PM

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View PostGouIdy, on 08 January 2017 - 09:39 AM, said:

 

In the past draws did not count... simple.

 

Rules for AR6 and AR7 stated draws did count as a game. So best of 7 was not necessarily first  to 4 wins.  After 7 games, the team with the most wins won the round, even if it was 1 win and 6 draws.


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Perco_lator #31 Posted 08 January 2017 - 03:43 PM

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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 08 January 2017 - 10:29 AM, said:

 

Rules for AR6 and AR7 stated draws did count as a game. So best of 7 was not necessarily first  to 4 wins.  After 7 games, the team with the most wins won the round, even if it was 1 win and 6 draws.

 

When you say " best of " that means wins, draws don't count that's what overtime (extra rounds) are for.

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View PostPerco_lator, on 08 January 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

When you say " best of " that means wins, draws don't count that's what overtime (extra rounds) are for.

 

This guy gets it.

MARS_REVENANT #33 Posted 08 January 2017 - 04:11 PM

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View PostPerco_lator, on 08 January 2017 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

When you say " best of " that means wins, draws don't count that's what overtime (extra rounds) are for.

 

View PostGouIdy, on 08 January 2017 - 10:45 AM, said:

 

This guy gets it.

 

I would say that guy only half gets it, I think maybe both of you may need to work together.  Best of 7 means you play seven games.  For example 1 team wins 3 games, the other wins 2 and you have 2 draws.  Therfore the best out of 7 games is the team that won 3 games.  The winner of the round does not necessarily need to win 4 games.

 

This isn't the NHL playoffs where you play till there is a winner in that game, we have to take into account player availability, we don't want to see forfeits because people have to log off for the night.  It would be nice to see players battle it out and get to the 4 wins, but in this community... I doubt anyone would want to put that amount of time in.  Also, for administration, I need battles to be finished by a certain time to enter results.

 

So, draws will count in a "best of" scenario.  The only extra battles for "overtime" will be in the case of a tie, then teams battle till one of them earns a win.

 

So, Perco, Gouidy, who will the other 8 members of your team be? 


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GouIdy #34 Posted 08 January 2017 - 04:51 PM

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Ok if you are going to count draws then it is possible to draw every game with no winner. To prevent that make it " best of " draws don't count. Just so you know I voted for best of 5 & in the real world that means first to 3 wins.

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View PostGouIdy, on 08 January 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

Ok if you are going to count draws then it is possible to draw every game with no winner. To prevent that make it " best of " draws don't count. Just so you know I voted for best of 5 & in the real world that means first to 3 wins.

 

It is possible to draw every game with no winner in either scenario.  However, it is quicker and simpler to count the draws.  Take the best of 5 example since that is what you voted for.  they play 5 games.  1 team wins 2 games, the other wins 1 and there are 2 draws.  That round is complete and the team with 2 battle wins wins the round.  Lets say they each have 1 win and 3 draws.... yes they have to keep playing, but the next win, wins the round... you dont have to win 3 because you have already completed the 5 battles.

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Put it to a vote draws count or they don't.

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View PostGouIdy, on 08 January 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

Put it to a vote draws count or they don't.

 

Thanks for your feedback.

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Just FYI... the polls were made public so you can see who voted which way.  The votes from the following accounts created just today will not be considered:

 

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Not sure how long it takes to make alt accounts... but somebody sure has a lot of time on their hands, more specifically time to try and troll my event for whatever reason.  LOL...


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MARS_REVENANT #39 Posted 09 January 2017 - 02:31 AM

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OK here is the final setup

 

Map: BAY

Tier: 8

Duration: 15 Minute battles

Hidden enemy aircraft in training rooms

Restrict heavy fighters to Max. 4.  Other than that, no Plane restrictions

10 v 10 battles 13 person roster for alternate.

2 battles per week.  Thursday and Saturday night battles

Two Stage Double Elimination

All Teams will move forward from round robin

Each round will be determined by best of 5 battles.

 

These don't match polls exactly, but I am giving weight to some of the votes made by clan leaders as I assume they know how their CLan will be able to participate, as well I broke up Fri and Sat battles to Thur - Sat battles just to have a day in between.

 

Thanks for the input everyone


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View PostMARS_REVENANT, on 08 January 2017 - 10:31 PM, said:

These don't match polls exactly, but I am giving weight to some of the votes made by clan leaders as I assume they know how their CLan will be able to participate

Sigh.

Just same old baddies afraid of participating in a high tier competitive event. Funny how these same clan leaders have been crying about no clan wars for the past 3 years, newsflash - "clan wars" is synonymous with "TIER 10"

 

Marco organizes these events on his own time and the participants refuse to use the opportunity of having a high tier competitive matchup. But then again we are talking about a playerbase that plays mostly tier 3 nowadays and then flights high tier double heavies during off-peak times to pad stats. Typical.

Enjoy the HF [edited]fest in your "competitive" low tier battles, and sorry marco that these idiots don't utilize the opportunity you provide them to its full potential. Honestly as bad a WG has neglected WoWp the worst part about this game is still the spineless playerbase, not the gameplay.


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