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AllisonLee #1 Posted 28 December 2016 - 04:14 PM

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Such as the sbd dauntless dive bomber, sb2c Curtis helldiver, or maybe even the f6f hellcat, the a20g

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Why torpedo planes? The ships don't move and that's what GAs are for.

 

The Hellcat has been widely requested. Stay tuned.



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View PostCrazyHeinz, on 28 December 2016 - 05:16 PM, said:

Why torpedo planes? The ships don't move and that's what GAs are for.

 

The Hellcat has been widely requested. Stay tuned.

 

There are enough planes to make the Grumman tree (and perhaps another linkage to the F7F)...indeed, stay tuned.

 

...and why would you need torpedoes when ships can be ravaged by one 82mm rocket and 23mm cannon fire?



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AllisonLee #4 Posted 28 December 2016 - 05:53 PM

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they can carry bombs and rockets if u never knew that

AllisonLee #5 Posted 28 December 2016 - 05:54 PM

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and the germans already have the ju87 stuka so why can't americans have their dive bomber huh? and honestly American planes that are in the tech tree do not have any tail gunners at all other than the only xp58 premium plane

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View PostAllisonLee, on 28 December 2016 - 12:54 PM, said:

and the germans already have the ju87 stuka so why can't americans have their dive bomber huh? and honestly American planes that are in the tech tree do not have any tail gunners at all other than the only xp58 premium plane

 

The version of the Stuka in this game is not a dive bomber, it is just equipped with the 37 MM cannons. The issue with the Dauntless is that it only had 2 .50 cal machine guns firing forward.  They would not be very effective at destroying the red ground targets.  

 

There is another American premium plane with a tail gunner: Seversky 2PA.


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There is only one line of American planes that is screaming to be added to the game. And sorry, but they are not dive bombers, torpedo bombers, or attack planes.

I am talking about the Grumman line.

We already have the F4F Wildcat as a multirole at Tier V, and I'm ok with that, if only because it's been like that for so long.

Keep the MR line as is, working through the Corsairs, but at Tier VI, they need to branch off to pure fighters beginning with the F6F Hellcat at Tier VI, the F8F Bearcat at Tier VII, the F9F Panther at Tier VIII, and the F9F-6 swept-wing Cougar at Tier IX.

The next logical step in the Grumman line would be the F-11 Tiger at Tier X, but the Tiger was a supersonic aircraft, and is not suitable for this game's meta, so I can't think of a decent subsonic USN fighter to advance up to past the Cougar. There are other viable options for Tier X, but they were more inline with the Navy's doctrine of multirole fighter-bombers, which is already well represented by the F7U Cutlass.

 

Anything else does a great disservice to the planes that were the backbone of both the Pacific Theatre in WW2, and in the skies over Korea.


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View PostAllisonLee, on 28 December 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

they can carry bombs and rockets if u never knew that

 

bombs and rockets are useless on fighters, unless you consider getting yourself killed useful.
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View PostAllisonLee, on 28 December 2016 - 12:53 PM, said:

they can carry bombs and rockets if u never knew that

 

​True. Torpedo planes had the ability to carry bombs instead of torpedoes (remember Midway). Plus they were built to be very rugged like ground attackers. If America Britain and Japan are ever going to get viable ground attack lines, I'm pretty sure they will have to borrow some naval strike aircraft to fill them out and there's nothing wrong with that.

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View PostDragonMaxx, on 28 December 2016 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

The issue with the Dauntless is that it only had 2 .50 cal machine guns firing forward.

 

​Just like the tier 3 Wirraway which seems to do okay.

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on 28 December 2016 - 04:36 PM, said:

 

​Just like the tier 3 Wirraway which seems to do okay.

 

+1......although the Wirraway carries two .303s and the SBD carries two .50s, the Dauntless would be a Tier IV at best anyways, so it seems legit.

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AllisonLee #12 Posted 29 December 2016 - 02:30 PM

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View PostDInk_Spinkley, on 28 December 2016 - 09:07 PM, said:

 

bombs and rockets are useless on fighters, unless you consider getting yourself killed useful.

 

I'm talking about on the naval planes the f6f hellcat the sb2c Curtis helldiver

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View Post_Warchylde_, on 28 December 2016 - 05:23 PM, said:

 

+1......although the Wirraway carries two .303s and the SBD carries two .50s, the Dauntless would be a Tier IV at best anyways, so it seems legit.

 

​Oops. A pair of .303s is correct. Not even .50 cals. And tier 4 is where I would expect the Dauntless to fit as well.

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View PostOmega_Weapon, on 28 December 2016 - 04:34 PM, said:

 

​True. Torpedo planes had the ability to carry bombs instead of torpedoes (remember Midway). Plus they were built to be very rugged like ground attackers. If America Britain and Japan are ever going to get viable ground attack lines, I'm pretty sure they will have to borrow some naval strike aircraft to fill them out and there's nothing wrong with that.

 

I suspect that for Japan, the IJN attack aircraft will be considered 2-seat Multirole, much like the Blackburn Skua but extrapolated to Tier VII in the same manner.  At that point, the Aichi B7A is the last operational carrier-based diver bomber but actually served from land due to loss of carriers.  The role was then filled by land-based single-seat multirole fighters -- the protracted J2M, the transitional N1K1-J, the promising N1K2-J, the hopeful twin-engine Kikka, and finally twin-engine R2Y2 (again 2-seat).

 

For the IJA there exists a truer 'attack aircraft' path that includes the twin-engine Ki-102, heavily armored twin-engine Ki-93, and the Me 262 analogue Ki-201.


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Yagos2k16 #15 Posted 29 December 2016 - 08:20 PM

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View PostDInk_Spinkley, on 28 December 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

bombs and rockets are useless on fighters, unless you consider getting yourself killed useful.

 

unless you know what you're doing 


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View PostDInk_Spinkley, on 28 December 2016 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

bombs and rockets are useless on fighters, unless you consider getting yourself killed useful.

 

View PostYagos2k16, on 29 December 2016 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

unless you know what you're doing 

 

Indeed, Yagos.

If I have a plane that can mount rockets, I always do....yes, even fighters. (never mount bombs on a fighter...waste of time and effort).

Nothing puts a smile on your face quicker than an air to air rocket kill.

I typically dump them in the merge before engaging with guns, but sometimes I'll save a couple for that special situation when it arises.

One thing you should never do is try to jink and jive while still packing. If you have to dogfight, then just shoot them at the nearest cloud and get down to business.

 

Rockets are a nice little extra for the fighter pilot who knows what he's doing.  Check this out to see what the fun is all about.


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Rockets being useless?

 



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I THINK WARCHYLDE   lay it out  the best that line that he just described is the way to go even though I thijnk they will have to down play the stats on the f6f a little maybe to op in that line but wowp always have a way to equalize the numbers or tweek them as time goes by but excellent line up sir on that Grumman line of planes hope to see it become a reality and yes no need for torpedo  in this when the ships don't move gl all have fun COMMANDER LBAEZ OF     BLACK FLIGHT SQUADRON

Yagos2k16 #19 Posted 30 December 2016 - 05:08 PM

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I read the recent devs blog and it says "Carriers based cats won't be coming any time soon"cats” are not coming any time soon

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View PostYagos2k16, on 30 December 2016 - 12:08 PM, said:

I read the recent devs blog and it says plans for the "cats" are a long ways to go

 

They've been saying that for three years, now......I doubt we'll ever see them if they don't repair the damage they've done to this once great game....

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