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Topsight #21 Posted 11 November 2016 - 10:40 PM

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View PostSOJO, on 11 November 2016 - 04:13 PM, said:

 

I have always stipulated that the AI on the GA BOTS needs a total intelligence overhaul. Its horrendous how tactically unsound they are. Pitching up while under attack, not prioritizing AA Targets first, No defensive flying Tactics no offensive counter measures to make a difference, etc.

 

 If Wargaming could program the common sense tactics in all AI (BOTS) based Aircraft, One problem would be solved, but it would crop up a whole new set of complaints from the WOE ALWAYS ME Crowd, The BOTS Are too OP, like three man Human Flights were TO “OP” etc... 

 

Good players will always employ the Tactical Advantages within their gaming environment; Good players are the minority, but the Majority of bad players who lack tactical common sense will become frustrated and revert to "IT'S SOMEONE ELSE'S FAULT DOCTRINE". It's the Maze of Ignorance; Crap players will never find their way to the cheese! Being trapped in one’s own Stupidity is tragic.

 

Remember Super Heroes, The players did not create nor design this game - Player Adapt, Wargaming Created this mess; for several reasons, lack of Advertising, End Game Content, Clan Wars, Equal footing (parity) with World of Tanks, etc. the Bots are here because of this, We lost three man flights because of whiners etc. You lost 3 man flights because it killed off hundreds and hundreds of players giving us what we have today...bots!

 

 

 


 


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I am not complaining about the normal players who do it once in a while.  There is one group in T9 and another in T8 that do it continuously night after night that's all they fly.  Yes they have worked out their strengths but when us west coast people want to fly high tier late at night we get them game after game and we do not fly GA.  So there they go again killing our GA bots gathering their pts and then hiding in their own AA  is that a skill really?  I could gather almost anyone from my clan and do the same thing and we could just fight the same team over and over every night and we all end up at splitting the battles.  So much fun to be had by all.  I will just no longer fight against them , I'm done .  They can win I spend all the time killing 4 or 5 planes but lose.  I would rather lose right away and fight a new battle. Yes the exploiters will exploit because that is how they win its not any kind of skill.   I fly my 10m solo but I fight I don't hide I don't team up in it, I play the game.

SO SHOULD WE ALL JUMP IN OUR GA AND JUST FIGHT LIKE THAT EVERY NIGHT SOUNDS LIKE FUN!!!! 

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SluggerJackson #23 Posted 11 November 2016 - 11:00 PM

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The top clans can control the MM.  they can do whatever they want.  Let them have their "elite" game.  It is exactly how they want it.  They're the best.

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View PostTopsight, on 11 November 2016 - 05:40 PM, said:

 

 

LOL, And World of Tanks has had three man Platoons since its Inception - World of Tanks is Thriving - Why - End game content, advertising, progressive innovation. Your theory of The mean old three man flights is redundant and holds no substantial fact into Wargamings lack of initiative as it relates to World of Warplanes and its downfalls. Your "The Mean old 3 man Flights Destroyed the Game is non-pragmatic. All we usually hear from you is the splashing of tears.


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View PostTopsight, on 11 November 2016 - 05:40 PM, said:

 

 

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While the Il-2 was a deadly air-to-ground weapon, and even a fairly effective interceptor against slow bombers and transport aircraft, 

 

Owing to a shortage of fighters, in 1941–1942, Il-2s were occasionally used as fighters.[citation needed] While outclassed by dedicated fighters such as the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Focke-Wulf Fw 190, in dogfights, the Il-2 could take on other Luftwaffe aircraft with some success.[citation needed] German front line units equipped with the Henschel Hs 126 suffered most of all from the ravages of Il-2s. Il-2 pilots also often attacked close formations of Junkers Ju 87s, as the 7.92 mm machine guns of the Ju 87 Stukas were ineffective against the heavily armoured Shturmoviks. In the winter of 1941–1942, Il-2s were used against Luftwaffe transport aircraft, and became the most dangerous opponent of the Junkers Ju-52/3m. Pilots of 33rd GvShAP were the most successful in these operations. Other successful units were those in 1942-1943 operating near Stalingrad. Their targets were not only Ju 52s but also Heinkel He 111 and Focke-Wulf Fw 200 Condor bombers, delivering supplies to the besieged German troops.[36]

While the Il-2 was a deadly air-to-ground weapon, and even a fairly effective interceptor against slow bombers and transport aircraft, heavy losses resulted from its vulnerability to fighter attack. Losses were very high, the highest of all types of Soviet aircraft, though given the numbers in service this is only to be expected. Shturmovik losses (including Il-10 type), in 1941-1945, were of 10,762 aircraft (533 in 1941, 1,676 in 1942, 3,515 in 1943, 3,347 in 1944 and 1,691 in 1945).[37] The main defensive tactic was flying low and power down as the fighters closed in to let the fighter overshoot and fly into the Il-2's firing range.[31]

During the Battle in Karelian Isthmus, Vyborg Offensive in summer 1944, Finnish 24th and 34th Fighter Squadrons and Luftwaffe II./JG 54 took terrible toll on Soviet Il-2 squadrons. In just 30 days (10 June – 9 July) Finnish fighter pilots shot down 111 and Germans 53 Il-2s. Claims 24th Squadron (fi) and No. 34 Squadron, Finnish Air Force

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KNOWING THAT IF THEY HAD USED THE DEFENSIVE WHEEL they have caused a much higher kill rate 

ANY PLANE IF USED WITH A "GOOD" WING MAN (KEY WORD IS GOOD) THEY WILL MAINTAIN A HIGH KILL RATE


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View PostCdn_Avro, on 11 November 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

I am not complaining about the normal players who do it once in a while.  There is one group in T9 and another in T8 that do it continuously night after night that's all they fly.  Yes they have worked out their strengths but when us west coast people want to fly high tier late at night we get them game after game and we do not fly GA.  So there they go again killing our GA bots gathering their pts and then hiding in their own AA  is that a skill really?  I could gather almost anyone from my clan and do the same thing and we could just fight the same team over and over every night and we all end up at splitting the battles.  So much fun to be had by all.  I will just no longer fight against them , I'm done .  They can win I spend all the time killing 4 or 5 planes but lose.  I would rather lose right away and fight a new battle. Yes the exploiters will exploit because that is how they win its not any kind of skill.   I fly my 10m solo but I fight I don't hide I don't team up in it, I play the game.

SO SHOULD WE ALL JUMP IN OUR GA AND JUST FIGHT LIKE THAT EVERY NIGHT SOUNDS LIKE FUN!!!! 

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Let me see if i can decipher what the OP is stating in his opening statement and please someone tell me if i am getting it correct.

 " WG please do something about me losing battle after battle when I play this game my way "

Is that correct ?

 

2 pilots flight up in GA and attack the enemy GA, hit a few ground targets to gain/maintain superiority.

Then you go zooming into enemy AA to get shot at.

 

Sounds to me like a good counter would be to fly something that has the potential to hit ground targets after taking out anything up high.

Might I suggest flying a Heavy Fighter to counter, perhaps flight up in 2 Heavy Fighters.

 

Granted this video is not against a flight of human GA but it still illustrates a valid point.

I really should start doing more videos of the same topics to show I can do it more than just once.

The tactic works against flights, if performed with the correct decisions.

It works well in fighters too provided you are not in the Mustang.

Mustang just can not kill a GT to save its life.

 



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Being a Clanmate with some of the pilots not mentioned, they are not exploiting, they fly the planes they like, no different then in tanks where the same ppl use the same tanks over and over again.  To the people not in clans find someone with whom you like and fly with them so you have a wingman.  For those in clans learn from the more experienced players.  Just because someone has 50k battles does not make them a master.  Look at all the stats of who you are flying against.  If you know that once a fight begins and the bot GA's will become targets.  What would be the sound counterpoint to this.   Again, the ones you are speaking of not only have a plan for this but have second and third options available.  

 

Training we do it, all the time.  We look at the other team and decide who is the threat and take them out.  Exploiting is the wrong word, using the game mechanics as programmed by the developers is not exploiting.  also flying as a team and not as individuals grouped together is the same, mechanic used.  Another is to know your plane.  Stall rate, weapon heat rate, rockets, and bomb damage, when and where to release or shoot.  

 

I still get bomb, and rocket killed and kudos to those who do it well.  I know I screw up also and fight in areas like AAA when I should be back and up high.  The things I have learned is the pilot(s) who work together and have patience win more.  I continue to learn more and to become better.  

 

Sojo, Freemike, pointed out several facts so did a few others.  This is a fast game where one mistake can cost you a match.  


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No exploiting a broken mechanic is the term and is used correctly in this instance.  I will stand by my statement because under normal circumstances when 2 GA's are flighted in almost all the cases they are flying against another flighted team

who are not in GA's.  So the broken record kill the bot ga get pts go hide and wait for the bots to come and kill them.  Bots are programmed to go after the living off they go and die.  The 2 ga add to their superiority and if you go in and are lucky to have lots of health it doesn\t last long.  Damage from aa, rear gunners and them shooting you is the end.  And Dodger I am not new to this game and when 2 highly experienced pilots in heavies can't go in and kill them there is something wrong.

I'm not questioning their skill because they have it just their abuse of the weakness in this game.  Like I said we can all go in GA's and fight each other cause when it comes down to it that is the only way to win against them so if you can't beat them join them.  This way as soon as their win pct starts dropping they will go elsewhere. 


 



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View PostSOJO, on 11 November 2016 - 06:49 PM, said:

 

All we usually hear from you is the splashing of High Definition tears.

 


 

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View PostBubba_Zanetti, on 11 November 2016 - 09:10 PM, said:

 

 

Dang, I should have used that Bubba!

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View PostCdn_Avro, on 11 November 2016 - 07:37 PM, said:

Ghostprime the game is broken.  Since when do ground attack rule the skies?  It's only in this game.  There are a few individuals who have taken advantage of this broken mechanic and are exploiting it to no end.

These individuals flight up in these planes and as most players in this game fly fighters, multiroles or heavies these individuals will kill the bot ground attacks hit targets until it starts looking like they will lose and

proceed back to their aa.  So if u go down to kill them from the out set the bots will follow you and kill u.  If u wait after you have killed all the high flying planes you are usually lower on health and have to contend with

these individuals tail gunners and all of the AA.  Our GA were killed by them so they have full AA coverage.  Any bots that survive enter the death zone and are killed by aa or the GA's and if u did have an advantage

it is quickly erased.  Solutions?  Maybe being able to control the bots from entering the death zone and help to hit ground targets.  Make a lot more soft targets so you can keep the advantage and have less AA coverage.(1/2 of what is currently in game).  If you let these ground attack rule the game this way everyone will start flying them then we all might as well play tanks.  It is unfortunate that these people exploit the game but WG needs to repair this flaw.

 

for a minute there I thought you were serial , untill I remembered you invented that move  :trollface: fly like they don,t know who you are .

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Here is an Idea........maybe try some strategy that would have been applied in the real environment. The best of the best go head to head. You want end content but limit yourself. It doesn't have to be clan wars, it can be hunt and seek.

 

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Then I must be confused  

 

Just cause I prefer to fly fighters and turn fight, I know how to take out the heavies with a great rear gunner.  So, flight up with a clan mate in fighters and take em out.  I know they die even an average player like me has killed em.  

 

Until WG makes the other nations as good as their planes were during that time period, we will continue to have over balanced and under balanced aircraft.  

 

 
 
 

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View PostSluggerJackson, on 11 November 2016 - 03:00 PM, said:

The top clans can control the MM.  they can do whatever they want.  Let them have their "elite" game.  It is exactly how they want it.  They're the best.

 

damn, why hasn't anyone told me this? I need to learn how to control the mm. lol. that's some dumb tinfoil hat stuff right there. 

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Oh, to actually add to the conversation, they do need to change the AI of all bots in various ways. If one team has supremacy and more bots alive and the other team is the humans left just circling their aa regardless of plane type the bots should be programmed to not go into the enemy aa after them if they are winning by supremacy. it's irritating to have done all the work to keep my bots alive and we have supremacy just to see the bots go into as and either get shredded up by aa, the tg, or crash and barely squeeze in a win due to ill programed bots. Stalling bots is also another fix they need. there are others, but those are the two most obvious ones. 

 


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Yall know doh what tind ub peoples we be dealin wit

 

 

 


 

 

         


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View PostCdn_Avro, on 11 November 2016 - 11:57 PM, said:

I am not complaining about the normal players who do it once in a while.  There is one group in T9 and another in T8 that do it continuously night after night that's all they fly.  Yes they have worked out their strengths but when us west coast people want to fly high tier late at night we get them game after game and we do not fly GA.  So there they go again killing our GA bots gathering their pts and then hiding in their own AA  is that a skill really?  I could gather almost anyone from my clan and do the same thing and we could just fight the same team over and over every night and we all end up at splitting the battles.  So much fun to be had by all.  I will just no longer fight against them , I'm done .  They can win I spend all the time killing 4 or 5 planes but lose.  I would rather lose right away and fight a new battle. Yes the exploiters will exploit because that is how they win its not any kind of skill.   I fly my 10m solo but I fight I don't hide I don't team up in it, I play the game.

SO SHOULD WE ALL JUMP IN OUR GA AND JUST FIGHT LIKE THAT EVERY NIGHT SOUNDS LIKE FUN!!!! 

I'm with Buffalo sandwich time

 

I love to see a flight of double GA when I am flighted in a (heavy)fighter.

You seem to have a problem with killing fighters if you ask me.

What we do is take bot advantage very quick. After that there are enough friendly bots left to find those GA. As you know bots have a nose for finding humans. Just flow with the bots and shoot some AA or the humans if you are lined up with them.

 

So kill them fighters better and you got it !!!!


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