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pigeon_kicker #1 Posted 07 November 2016 - 02:00 AM

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This list is final no changes.

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  • Time period judgement declared was week #1 thru week #12
  • 1 team disqualified for not enough battles
  • 6 teams to receive 750,000 to each player
  • 3 teams (below) receive 15 premium planes to distribute to your clan as you see fit
  • !st place [DRACS] you get 15 tier 8 premium planes to choose
  • 2nd place [WHAWK] you get 15 tier 5 premiums
  • 3rd place [FALO] gets 15 tier 3 premiums

 

If your clan placed in the top three, please send me your 15 pilot names for the extra prize.

I have all names that participated, no need to repost them commanders.

 

Again, thank you to all that partook.  Next planned Season, New Years, lets battle.

 

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pigeon_kicker #2 Posted 07 November 2016 - 02:01 AM

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pigeon_kicker #6 Posted 07 November 2016 - 02:28 AM

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MARS_REVENANT #7 Posted 07 November 2016 - 02:43 PM

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View Postpigeon_kicker, on 06 November 2016 - 09:00 PM, said:

To all interested, visit us

NACCW.ORG

 

This list is final no changes.

3 NACCW admins present at meeting.Pigeon Kicker, Caffan, and Beaver Cleaver.

 

  • Time period judgement declared was week #1 thru week #12
  • 1 team disqualified for not enough battles
  • 6 teams to receive 750,000 to each player
  • 3 teams (below) receive 15 premium planes to distribute to your clan as you see fit
  • !st place [DRACS] you get 15 tier 8 premium planes to choose
  • 2nd place [WHAWK] you get 15 tier 5 premiums
  • 3rd place [FALO] gets 15 tier 3 premiums

 

If your clan placed in the top three, please send me your 15 pilot names for the extra prize.

I have all names that participated, no need to repost them commanders.

 

Again, thank you to all that partook.  Next planned Season, New Years, lets battle.

 

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When you think about it, this is actually more than what WG agreed to Originally.  Top Team is receiving about 192,000 (gold value) of tier 8 planes + 750,000 silver to each player.  Even 2nd and 3rd place teams are receiving premium planes.

 

Keep in mind, what WG originally agreed to was to match prizing of the EU player run CW.  In that prize structure, Only the Top Players on the Top team earned enough participation points to exchange for a tier 7 premium plane.  Clan leaders were given participation points after each week to distribute to their clan as they saw fit.  So in that structure, not every member of the Top team received Top prizing.

 

Everyone likes to tote the line "participation trophy", well here you dont just get the Top Prize just for participating, I can only speculate that is why WG decided to award only 15 planes each team, so that only the Top Contributors received them.  Personally I would have preferred the 192,000 gold be added to the Clan Treasury for distribution by the leaders, which would be more like the real CW.  But this is at least somewhat close.  Expecting a tier 8 premium plane for each member that participated is just unrealistic.

 

In future, confirming the point structure, length of season,  as well as how prizing will be distributed is key prior to getting clans involved.  Then clans can decide if it is worth it for them.  It wont be a nasty surprise at the end.

 

When you look at the big picture though, we had a functioning CW that didn't fall apart from cheating (for the most part)  and a bad rule set, and WG came through with prizing, so I think this was good event overall.  Looking forward to the next one.

 

Thanks PK for putting this together, and thanks to WG for coming through.  Sorry I couldn't have been more help.


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pigeon_kicker #8 Posted 08 November 2016 - 01:02 AM

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Jaguardian #9 Posted 08 November 2016 - 01:08 AM

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Will this be the normal prizing method going forward?



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A few clans leadership is in conversation with Ghostprime currently to get clarification on an issue. A plan is in the works at least for Dracarys in how we will proceed.

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CrazyHeinz #11 Posted 08 November 2016 - 03:41 AM

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View PostJaguardian, on 07 November 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

Will this be the normal prizing method going forward?

 

Define "normal". There was a swirl of debate both during and after CCW, so this may not be standard prizing. Could be something darn close or far different...


pigeon_kicker #12 Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:12 PM

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View PostJaguardian, on 07 November 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

Will this be the normal prizing method going forward?

 

This is a good question.

And this is the best answer that i can give anybody at this time.

 

Please remember that i am putting the formula up for you to see, not debate over at this time. TY for understanding.

 

When I was developing the website i made a formula to calculate points, this was not until late in the 12 week run though.

The prizes that are now being issued are a good faith promise prize that wargaming would give us.

After the development was done and it was a stable environment, they agreed to fulfill the promise.

 

TY GhostPrime for the patience as we developed the rules and scoring system.

 

Also, The Rules were being changed quite often to accommodate changes to global map functions, and clan participation needs.

Now that the Rule set is relatively done, we can move forward without many changes, if any.

 

Rules of engagement Ver 6.3 Published 7-26-2016

Ver 6.3 English latest english version link

Ver 6.3 Spanish Translated with google docs to spanish, basic proofread completed 7-29-2016

 

Basically it goes like this now. But keep in mind that it may fluctuate.

This is also the formula that i first used for the week 1 thru 6 scoring, Which by the way failed due to data discrepancies.

 

Spoiler -- Weekly scoring formula for the WWW.NACCW.ORG

 


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oldiowaguy #13 Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:39 PM

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I would suggest that pilots earn fame points, like they have in tanks CW. If you earn enough fame points in battle you qualify for the reward tanks. That would be easier on commanders than having to pick which 15 pilots will receive a premium aircraft.

                                                                    

 


pigeon_kicker #14 Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:42 PM

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View Postpigeon_kicker, on 08 November 2016 - 04:12 PM, said:

Please remember that i am putting the formula up for you to see, not debate over at this time. TY for understanding.


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MARS_REVENANT #15 Posted 08 November 2016 - 09:50 PM

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View Postoldiowaguy, on 08 November 2016 - 04:39 PM, said:

I would suggest that pilots earn fame points, like they have in tanks CW. If you earn enough fame points in battle you qualify for the reward tanks. That would be easier on commanders than having to pick which 15 pilots will receive a premium aircraft.

 

This is similar to the way the EU CW was running, however the EU website was more developed and required team commanders to login and add points to individual players.

 

You can of course keep track of your own clan participation and performance individually, that would take a load of work off PK having to create a website to do it automatically.

 

On the EU CW they had players accumulate points over multiple seasons, so if they didnt earn enough to get a plane in season 1, the points carried over to season 2.  This becomes an administrative nightmare for the CW admins as you would have to verify that they were allotted the proper amount of points.

 

The best way to run prizing in my opinion is to have gold distributed to the clan treasuries.  Clan leaders can keep track of their own members and distribute gold accordingly. I believe this is in line with WOT CW as well.  The leadership decides who gets what gold.

 

Remember PK is doing this on his own time, and a lot of his own $ as well as relying on donations.  Things should be kept as simple as possible to eliminate more work and website programming.


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BobozeeBear #16 Posted 08 November 2016 - 10:47 PM

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Keeping it short and sweet, the gold equivalent was proposed to WGing for NACCW and was rejected.

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View PostBobozeeBear, on 08 November 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

Keeping it short and sweet, the gold equivalent was proposed to WGing for NACCW and was rejected.

 

That sucks. I guess it's up to individual clan leaders to distribute as they see fit, which leaves a lot of people empty handed.

 

Definitely a frustrating situation.

 

Going forward prizing should definitely be confirmed beforehand so clans can decide if it is something they want to participate in.

 

Keep in mind, the event was different from what WG originally agreed to, and also PK building everything from scratch in a short amount of time, so I don't think it's fair to expect everything to run perfectly.

 

I still think this is much better than nothing.


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pigeon_kicker #18 Posted 09 November 2016 - 01:39 AM

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View PostBobozeeBear, on 08 November 2016 - 05:47 PM, said:

Keeping it short and sweet, the gold equivalent was proposed to WGing for NACCW and was rejected.

 

Kind of correct.

 

If you receive a premium plane as a prize and you have it in your hangar, you will receive the gold equivalent plus the hangar slot etc...


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BobozeeBear #19 Posted 09 November 2016 - 03:08 AM

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Have you confirmed this or are you just going from past experiences?

 

Ghost was clear that the gold equivalent was not on the table.


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View PostBobozeeBear, on 08 November 2016 - 08:08 PM, said:

Have you confirmed this or are you just going from past experiences?

 

Ghost was clear that the gold equivalent was not on the table.

 

What PK said was true, though.  If the aircraft being awarded was already possessed, it would be liquidated into gold value and bring a free hangar slot with it, if it works the way any other premium reward has here in the past.  So Ghost (by extention WG) would not be awarding gold, but awarding a plane that gets converted to gold upon delivery, so both Ghost and PK are correct in this instance.

 

Thanks again for running this, PK.  Not the ideal ending, but it's as fair as we're going to get this round.  Mad respect from me for putting up with all of us.  :honoring:


 

 

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