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Poll: BnZ vs TnB (20 members have cast votes)

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  1. Yes (19 votes [95.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 95.00%

  2. Yes (1 vote [5.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

Which do you prefer for the overall win?

  1. Boom and Zoom (7 votes [35.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.00%

  2. Turn and Burn (6 votes [30.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  3. It's anybody's game! (7 votes [35.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.00%

Which do you prefer for tier 2 - 4?

  1. Boom and Zoom (1 vote [5.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.00%

  2. Turn and Burn (15 votes [75.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 75.00%

  3. It's anybody's game! (4 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

Which do you prefer for tier 5 - 7?

  1. Boom and Zoom (9 votes [45.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 45.00%

  2. Turn and Burn (7 votes [35.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.00%

  3. It's anybody's game! (4 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

Which do you prefer for tier 8 - 10?

  1. Boom and Zoom (6 votes [30.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

  2. Turn and Burn (8 votes [40.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  3. It's anybody's game! (6 votes [30.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 30.00%

Team Dusty or Team Patton?

  1. Team Dusty (8 votes [40.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

  2. Team Patton (4 votes [20.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.00%

  3. I'll take you both 1 v 2! (8 votes [40.00%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.00%

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GeorgePatton #21 Posted 12 August 2016 - 05:43 PM

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View PostEspressoForHammy, on 12 August 2016 - 10:26 AM, said:

 

Uh oh. Someone handed Ace the tools again. George don't listen to a thing he says. He'll have you hitting holes into the walls to look for the electric mouse trails that are frying your PC.

 

Too late! I already fell through the ceiling chasing the electric rat! I almost got him! :teethhappy:

 

 

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EspressoForHammy #22 Posted 12 August 2016 - 07:22 PM

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View PostPorkins_Jr, on 12 August 2016 - 12:39 PM, said:

I don't even know who this was directed at!

 

That was the whole point Pro-kins.

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losttwo #23 Posted 12 August 2016 - 07:57 PM

    which way do we go?

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View PostDustyCH, on 12 August 2016 - 11:29 AM, said:

Hey Glenn, Agno, yes, please stream. In fact, it would be better if Agno can do it, so the game play for Glenn is not affected. I plan to be online shortly before 9pm tonight so we can work out the details. Just PM me in the game so we can go to one the TS to talk...............

SNIPED FOR BREVITY.......

 

Thanks again,

Dusty.

 

 

 

 

 

You could try and get 2 other neutral parties in GA that will fly around and reset superiority if need be.

 



GeorgePatton #24 Posted 13 August 2016 - 12:18 AM

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Still on for tonight!

 

 

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death2019 #25 Posted 13 August 2016 - 04:32 AM

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GeorgePatton #26 Posted 13 August 2016 - 05:06 AM

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So... I had a really good time experimenting with Dusty (and made a great friend!) and have reached the conclusion that Boom and Zoom is not as definite a win as I once thought. We had some great fights that were really decided by either one of us massively screwing up, and we had some others where he straight up played better than I did. 

 

Once we both got warmed up and got to know each other's style the battles got really interesting - especially at tiers 8, 9, and 10 where the speed differential is most noticeable. The game really became a well-balanced thing of beauty where my speed was my evasive tactic, and his turn was his. We'd each generally get a few hits in on a pass and then go back to evasion. XF-90 vs the J7 (I forget the last digits!) was really cool and went down to the last minute or two of the timer with both of us remaining alive! 

 

Dusty's ability to read an incoming attack and plan the perfect arc to give me the least amount of time on target was amazing to watch! He read the terrain perfectly and somehow always managed to set himself up in a position that would force me to break off attacks early to avoid the side of the mountain. (Full confession, I tasted the dirt waaaaay too many times! haha) It was a really good time and I'm glad he took the time to do this with me! I learned a lot about the game - most importantly that TnB is actually a VERY good counter to BnZ. If used correctly in a random battle, I think it is actually superior to the current 'Boom and Zoom' meta. Patience is the key. I'll package up the replays tomorrow (oh, I mean later...) and put a link or something on here for everybody that wants to watch!

 

 

Cheers!
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losttwo #27 Posted 13 August 2016 - 09:09 AM

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 13 August 2016 - 12:06 AM, said:

 most importantly that TnB is actually a VERY good counter to BnZ. If used correctly in a random battle, I think it is actually superior to the current 'Boom and Zoom' meta. Patience is the key. I'll package up the replays tomorrow (oh, I mean later...) and put a link or something on here for everybody that wants to watch!

 

 

Cheers!
Glenn

 

Does that mean you are putting them up as the original replay in order for someone to make video's

If so do I have permission to make video's from the replays ?

Requesting permission from both of you of course.

Would be good if I could get both sets of replays for the multiple angles.


Edited by losttwo, 13 August 2016 - 12:58 PM.


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View Postdeath2019, on 12 August 2016 - 11:32 PM, said:

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None chance to win

 

You may be right...maybe if 100 of those were at tier 1 he'd have a greater chance!

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GeorgePatton #29 Posted 13 August 2016 - 02:47 PM

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View Postlosttwo, on 13 August 2016 - 04:09 AM, said:

 

Does that mean you are putting them up as the original replay in order for someone to make video's

If so do I have permission to make video's from the replays ?

Requesting permission from both of you of course.

Would be good if I could get both sets of replays for the multiple angles.

 

Yeah, I'm going to be putting up the original replays - I'm cool with videos being made from them!

 

 

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GeorgePatton #30 Posted 13 August 2016 - 03:08 PM

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Half of the match replays have been uploaded to the 2nd post in this thread! I'm sending GP a pm to see if I can get some more upload space to put up the rest!

 

 

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 12 August 2016 - 09:06 PM, said:

 

most importantly that TnB is actually a VERY good counter to BnZ

 

 

Cheers!
Glenn

 

I am not really surprised given the situation. I think in real battle situation the BnZ has the option whether to engage or not which leads back to the rest of the team and superiority.

 

Looking forward to the videos and perhaps the next round!

 

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View PostGeorgePatton, on 13 August 2016 - 11:08 AM, said:

Half of the match replays have been uploaded to the 2nd post in this thread! I'm sending GP a pm to see if I can get some more upload space to put up the rest!

 

 

Cheers!
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View PostGeorgePatton, on 11 August 2016 - 02:22 PM, said:

Here are the replays for the night!

 

Attached File   2nd Half.zip   4.43MB

 

I ran out of space to upload - I'm going to see if I can get some extra upload space from GP.

 

 

Cheers!
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DustyCH #34 Posted 14 August 2016 - 01:27 AM

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@ Lost2, or anyone else that wants to take the time to make videos of the replays - sure, please make them if possible.

 

Glenn, thanks again for your time. It was great meeting and flying with you!

 

Regards,

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mnbv_fockewulfe #35 Posted 14 August 2016 - 02:29 AM

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I don't want to sound too harsh but, Glenn, your BnZ leaves much to be desired (DustyCH also has exceptional TnB capability so don't feel too bad :)) . You are right, it takes a lot of patience as well as discipline. You forgot the discipline part. The trick is to control you opponent, this is usually done with supremacy but it can also be done by frustrating him (among other things). Those replays really got me thinking, but unfortunately it's bed-o'clock over here so I don't have time to elaborate on my thoughts. I would be glad to give you some pointers on BnZ if you'd like. :)

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mnbv_fockewulfe #36 Posted 14 August 2016 - 06:43 PM

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Glenn, were can I get that skin for the P-51D? I want...no...I need that skin in my life and on my plane!:izmena:

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mnbv_fockewulfe #37 Posted 14 August 2016 - 07:49 PM

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The reason TnB is such a good counter to BnZ is two things: BnZ is hard to learn and get right, both are evasion tactics. One uses superior  maneuverability for evasion, the other uses superior speed and energy for evasion. The net effect, if both are employed properly, is they cancel each other out. BnZ dives on TnB, T evades, and then B evades. The trick in a 1v1 situation is to (have good aim) and to make the other pilot fly his plane in the way he isn't supposed to. If you have two different BnZ planes with equally skilled pilots the plane that is better at BnZ will win. So it logically follows that a TnB plane is lackluster at BnZ so if you can make him fly the way his plane is bad at (BnZ) you will win. As soon as you give in and play the other guy's game, your toast. But how do you make the TnB play your game? Well I'll tell you. Make him cocky. One of the rules of dogfighting is always follow through with an attack so as not to embolden your opponent. I respectfully disagree with this. If you break off early when you see him go into his maneuver you're saving yourself from putting yourself in a bad position. If you stay just out of range you can make him think, "If I just boost after him, he's so close, I could get him." he of course can't and will play himself into your hands. Another thing you can do is make him feel helpless. The best defence is to not be there when the punch comes. IMO the speed that comes with BnZ is a better shield then TnB. Make your opponent think that too. Whittle his HP with ever pass, get away scot-free in your climb. (I'd right more if you want me to but I have other things to do right now. Better yet I could challenge you to a 1v1:rolleyes:)

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GeorgePatton #38 Posted 15 August 2016 - 12:24 AM

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View Postmnbv_fockewulfe, on 14 August 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

Glenn, were can I get that skin for the P-51D? I want...no...I need that skin in my life and on my plane!:izmena:

 

It's a gift skin for alpha testers. You can change out the file names in the res_mods package if you'd like to see it on your plane, but nobody else will see it on yours. Hope that helps!

 

As far as a 1v1 goes, I'd be interested! Always interested in seeing other people's ideas about air combat and learning new tricks! 1v1 is so different from the usual so it's a good place to learn new tricks!

 

 

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LOL. You play with a mouse. grow a set of peanuts and fly with a stick.

GeorgePatton #40 Posted 15 August 2016 - 12:56 AM

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Yeah, mouse is hard lol

 

 

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