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MagusGerhardt #1 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:07 PM

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So.  Here's the deal.

 

I purchase premium aircraft here for the same reasons I purchase premium tanks and premium ships.  To make credits and train crew.  They can also generate convertible xp, but I always use that xp to accelerate my crew training.

 

Now, since patch 1.9.5 premium aircraft can NO LONGER increase base proficiency training.  This represents a major change in product that I have paid money for and I am displeased to say the least.  It's nothing short of bait and switch to change the base functionality of something I have already paid for like this.

 

Return base proficiency training ability to Warplanes premiums at the earliest convenience.  Not next development cycle; not "soon".  Begin work on it now.


Edited by MagusGerhardt, 17 June 2016 - 02:05 AM.

 

 

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pyantoryng #2 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:23 PM

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No amount of bonus experience is going to make up for the inability to train proficiency in premium planes.

 

Worse, no rationale was given for it, either.



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MARS_REVENANT #3 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:29 PM

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Oh boy.


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honorabili #4 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:30 PM

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It's something they need to fix back to how it was.

losttwo #5 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:31 PM

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Wargaming has eliminated my reason to purchase or work towards achieving premium aircraft.

They have also given me one more reason to keep my wallet closed.

If memory serves me correctly I have spent a total of 500$$ on this game over the existence of my character.

Now, there is just no reason to consider it.



MagusGerhardt #6 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:31 PM

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View PostTHEMARCO1979, on 16 June 2016 - 10:29 AM, said:

I dont disagree with your suggestion, I just don't understand the reasoning behind it, why not just fly a few battles in the original plane, get the pilot proficiency up to 100%, then switch over to premium?  Am I missing something?

 

Yes.  You missed the fact that training up on the tech tree plane was unnecessary until now.  That's the "Big Deal."


 

 

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Jaguardian #7 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:36 PM

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I would sign this petition!

BuffaloTime #8 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:44 PM

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Another thing "fixed". Please put the Premium plane training back to the way it was.

Magnum62 #9 Posted 16 June 2016 - 05:55 PM

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Please restore premium plane training.
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TeamTerrible #10 Posted 16 June 2016 - 06:07 PM

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Actually, I like the change, it pushes me further away from these people and I can appreciate the fact they don't want my money

 

 

 


 

 

         


raulv04 #11 Posted 16 June 2016 - 06:20 PM

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:facepalm: Sheesh! WG are shooting themselves on the foot while at the same time their heads are up their bottoms! How much worse can it get?

MARS_REVENANT #12 Posted 16 June 2016 - 06:37 PM

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^this

Edited by MARS_REVENANT, 21 October 2016 - 02:30 AM.

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losttwo #13 Posted 16 June 2016 - 06:43 PM

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For me personally. I do like having a skilled pilot flying the newly unlocked plane.

All my higher tier planes were at a minimum of 3 skills before they started in their planes.

I was just about to get my F-94 before the patch but now i have to wait a little longer.

He has engine guru and that is all. I need at least engine and sharpshooter before I jump i the plane with it.



Vanize #14 Posted 16 June 2016 - 06:49 PM

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View PostTHEMARCO1979, on 16 June 2016 - 12:37 PM, said:

 

Assuming that you had trained the pilot in the premium plane, didn't you lose all the opportunity to grind exp in the tech tree plane?  So you have a 100% skilled pilot after a number of battles in a premium plane, but now have to go back and grind through the tech tree plane.

 

To each his own, My stance was always to try and progress on multiple fronts, pilot and plane EXP in one battle.

 

Is your intention to achieve an advantage of having the higher skilled pilot entering the tech tree plane rather than starting with a lower skilled pilot?  Does it all boil down to having a better record in a specific plane?  I could see this, similar to using Free EXP to unlock all plane modules before flying it.  So Battle 1 you are already in a fully upgraded plane with a skilled pilot.  Is that it?

 

your assumption is fallacious. Let's say i moved a pilot from being 100% proficient in a P-40 to being 75% proficient in a P-51A. Previously i could send that pilot to any premium American aircraft, get the benefit of all his skills, and rapidly increase the proficiency of that pilot to 100% on the P-51A.

 

Now if i try that, I get nothing. i have to fly that pilot exclusively in the P-51A until he is 100% proficient in it before i get full benefit of his skills in any premium aircraft.

 

 



Jaguardian #15 Posted 16 June 2016 - 06:53 PM

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View PostVanize, on 16 June 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

 

your assumption is fallacious. Let's say i moved a pilot from being 100% proficient in a P-40 to being 75% proficient in a P-51A. Previously i could send that pilot to any premium American aircraft, get the benefit of all his skills, and rapidly increase the proficiency of that pilot to 100% on the P-51A.

 

Now if i try that, I get nothing. i have to fly that pilot exclusively in the P-51A until he is 100% proficient in it before i get full benefit of his skills in any premium aircraft.

 

 

 

Also stating that putting that pilot in a premium with accelerated crew training gets that pilot up to 100% twice as fast and then you can start earning xp for skills that much quicker.  Flying them in a newly researched plane will not allow you to accelerate crew training because the plane is not elited.

 

Edit:  or this is how it used to work and how most of us would like it returned to working that way.


Edited by Jaguardian, 16 June 2016 - 06:55 PM.


vonnoe #16 Posted 16 June 2016 - 06:59 PM

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Now you can't recruit a pilot unless plane is in garage, no drop down menu to choose researched planes option. This is a big change. Now you have to put an untrained pilot in a newly purchased plane and run plane stock, instead of putting him in a Premium that isn't stock and training him up to 100% proficency quickly, big change. Now Premium planes that have long been advertised as credit makers and touted as great crew trainers, no longer train pilots till their already trained? That's a big change. All these things we're changed with very little notice, slid in to new skill system with barely a footnote, a big change to the Premium planes usefulness, and purchasers of these planes that bought them to train pilots up are left holding the bag. Bait and switch for sure. 

raulv04 #17 Posted 16 June 2016 - 07:02 PM

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Let's say I have several Chinese aircraft (all are premium), but only two pilots which I used to rotate among my aircraft. Each pilot got more proficient in his skills regardless of the plane I flew. I understand what Magus is saying, mind you, but what happens among premium aircraft of different tiers but same nationality (Chinese, for example). Does this mean that I can no longer grind the pilots' skills in any airplane?

 

(Edited for clarity)


Edited by raulv04, 16 June 2016 - 07:06 PM.


MARS_REVENANT #18 Posted 16 June 2016 - 07:05 PM

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:great:

 

 


Edited by MARS_REVENANT, 21 October 2016 - 02:31 AM.

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MARS_REVENANT #19 Posted 16 June 2016 - 07:15 PM

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:facepalm:

 

 


Edited by MARS_REVENANT, 21 October 2016 - 02:31 AM.

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Jaguardian #20 Posted 16 June 2016 - 07:29 PM

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View PostTHEMARCO1979, on 16 June 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

 

I think this is the answer to my question.  People were doing it this way to start in a tech tree plane with an already skilled pilot.  One thing that needs to be taken into consideration; although the pilot skill is being increased at a faster rate, you are putting in more battles to accomplish this, x number of battles to train pilots, then x number of battles in the regular tech tree, but again, I think this is only geared to having a slight advantage of a skilled pilot to get a better record in an individual plane.  Not sure on the battle counts, but I feel it would take longer to work through a plane this way.

Pilot training in a premium plane with accelerated crew training turned on takes half the battles to get the pilot trained to 100% than if you were to do it in the newly purchased plane.  If you have a handful of premium planes and you switch the pilot into them during the daily doubles, I think you just halved it again.  If you look at it from a gaining skill points XP stand point, your pilot is back to earning skill point XP much quicker than if you grind the pilots proficiency in the same plane.

 

Edit:  I think this is a wonderful reason to have a premium plane.


Edited by Jaguardian, 16 June 2016 - 07:31 PM.





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