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PhilKnox #1 Posted 28 February 2016 - 12:47 AM

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This is just a few thoughts on a tournament idea.  It would add at least a little historical flavor to the game,and would add a little more variety than boom and zoom.  These are just a few ideas, I would even add a Spanish Civil War Scenario.  I think it would also allow people to practice asymmetrical warfare flying.  It would also force teams to bring seldom used aircraft out of the closet.

 

With the understanding that we are taking some historical liberties I offer the following.
Only 2 planes of the highest tiers can be taken.
Attacker 1/3 light fighters, heavy fighters, ground attack must be carrying bombs and/or rockets, if applicable, can win by supremacy and annihilation.
Defender all light fighters with exception of 1 heavy. Can only win by annihilation.

Battle of Britain- allowable planes map-Harbour
Great Britain- Skua, Beaufighter, Blenheim, Spitfire 1, Miles M 20
Germany- BF109E, BF109B, BF110B, BF110C6, DO17,

Battle of the Solomons- allowable planes map- Pacific Ocean
Japan- A6M2, A6M5, “Chinese” KI-43, A6M1
US- F4F, XF4F3, F4U1 in fighter bomber role, P38F, “Russian” P39Q, P-40, P-36, F2A

Battle of Stalingrad- allowable planes map- Eastern front
Germany- BF109F, BF109E, BF110E, JU-87G, HS 129B, Fw 189
Russia, Yaks, 1,7&9, LA-5, LaGG 3, MiG 3, IL2, and IL2 t, P40 M-105, US P40. P39Q

North Africa- allowable planes map El Halluf or Plateau
Britain- Spitfire 1, Spitfire 5,Hurricane IId, Blenheim, Beaufighter,
US- P40, P51A, P38F, “Russian”P-39Q
Germany- BF109F, BF109E, BF110E, JU-87G, HS 129B, Fw 189

This is with the understanding that some teams will have a greater advantage than others. I believe that is good practice to learn effective tactics to negate superiority, such training will help in pub matches.



Psicko23 #2 Posted 28 February 2016 - 01:45 AM

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Sounds like fun. How will it be decided which each team will bring.  Maybe teams will switch countries after each round?

PhilKnox #3 Posted 28 February 2016 - 02:05 AM

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That could be a good idea.  I would stay with 1 or 2 scenarios per tournament.  I would like to see ground attack used.  I have thought about rules that at least one ga on your side had to survive to win, but that may make it overly complicated.  Maybe we could make sure there is a minimum number of ga.    When you look at WW2 and Korea many were escort missions.    The game has morphed into something where aircraft like the Me 410 dominate when historically its use was more limited.   This also may be a challenge to players/teams to fly planes for example from the Japanese line.

ParanoiaXtreme_PRX #4 Posted 28 February 2016 - 03:42 AM

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i think you're on to something phil, great ideas. i don't like sounding as if i'm trying to tell people what to fly. but just for some darn variation and actual frenzy's in the sky rather than everyone being scattered across the sky playing a game of tag or hide & seek. so seeing all aircraft being involved this could be great!

Rarearth #5 Posted 28 February 2016 - 05:41 PM

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sounds like to much work But I would like to see some Lower tier contests battles they are what is lacking in this game , and it would piss off a lot of people who think when you climb the tiers you should sell off your lower tier planes so that's a plus lol

 



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Id love to see something like this...would be interesting.


ViolentAngel #7 Posted 28 February 2016 - 09:16 PM

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Yes. This would be a ton of fun. I might suggest that teams play best of 5 or 7. Home team chooses side/nation for first round.

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Kiwiav8r #8 Posted 28 February 2016 - 09:25 PM

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The RAF flew the Model 81A-1 in North Africa if you are being historically accurate.

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CrayoIaCrayon #9 Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:25 AM

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I have talked with several clanmates about making GA useful in competitive battles.  So far I have never been able to come up with a feasible way to do so.  Obviously you could require one per side but 9 times out of the 10 the air battle gets won and then that team is healthy enough to come down and kill the GA which really means that the GA has no real bearing on the match.  I personally hate GA but I realize that many people thoroughly enjoy them and would love to be able to find a way to include them and actually have the better GA pilot be able to have a reasonable and real bearing on the outcome.  

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mnbv_fockewulfe #10 Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:58 AM

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maybe you could have an escort type battle where one team gets five GA that if the enemy destroys they lose?

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Jaguardian #11 Posted 29 February 2016 - 04:50 PM

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I for one struggle with this game to currently have only one proven working strategy that everyone seems to endorse and no one even tries to counter.  Rather than have the teams fight each other using the same planes each match, make each team alternate between the countries and have them fly four matches.  If the teams have a draw in outright wins (2 to 2), use superiority points scored by the teams when they lost and whichever team scored more points on the losses, they would win the tie breaker.  For example, the victories come by destroying all enemy planes, but how many superiority points were obtained by the losing team before they lost and if it adds up to more than the other team achieved when they lost, they win the tie breaker.


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Considering some groups have players that are partial to certain aircraft this would be good to get more people involved.

 

 

         


PhilKnox #13 Posted 04 March 2016 - 11:46 PM

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Sorry I have been away on this.  I am throwing this out as an idea.  I am hoping that adding some sense of realism, no matter how small, would also attract players interests.  What I have been thinking is having the number of ga dependent upon the size of the teams.  Many World War Two missions were either escort and/or interceptions.  Even with fighter sweeps the counter-offensive side had to give reason for the other side to come up and fight by faking some kind of attack or bomber mission.   Sorry to post this and not keep active for a week.  I am thinking of the 1st contest should take place using Spanish Civil War.  I will give more details in what I have in mind in the next few days.

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I am hoping this thread can avoid any of the drama seen on the others.  I for one do not have the time nor patience for it.

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View PostPhilKnox, on 04 March 2016 - 06:46 PM, said:

Sorry I have been away on this.  I am throwing this out as an idea.  I am hoping that adding some sense of realism, no matter how small, would also attract players interests.  What I have been thinking is having the number of ga dependent upon the size of the teams.  Many World War Two missions were either escort and/or interceptions.  Even with fighter sweeps the counter-offensive side had to give reason for the other side to come up and fight by faking some kind of attack or bomber mission.   Sorry to post this and not keep active for a week.  I am thinking of the 1st contest should take place using Spanish Civil War.  I will give more details in what I have in mind in the next few days.

 

Looks like some good ideas cooking

 

 

         


PhilKnox #16 Posted 09 March 2016 - 12:44 AM

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My thoughts are that the tournaments will be best of 5 for early matches, best of 7 for sem0 finals and finals.   Teams could either alternate between historical sides or pick one and stick with it for the tournament.  In addition, the 1st match will start with the earliest models for that period, and then each successive match adds higher tier planes.  However, the higher tier planes will trickle in each subsequent match.

 

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PhilKnox #17 Posted 18 March 2016 - 02:38 AM

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I am going to put this on hold until April.  I will be gone for a few weeks, and I also do not want to conflict with ongoing tournaments.

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View PostPhilKnox, on 17 March 2016 - 09:38 PM, said:

I am going to put this on hold until April.  I will be gone for a few weeks, and I also do not want to conflict with ongoing tournaments.

 

Looking forward to it, looks like a winner

 

 

         





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