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KRUPI #21 Posted 23 August 2015 - 07:57 AM

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View PostRedrocket90, on 22 August 2015 - 11:51 PM, said:

You stand 500m away and let me shoot a machine gun at you. If you are still alive when I'm done, then we can talk.

 

***** Get IL2 BoS and see if you can hit anything with a convergance of 500m. lol good luck

 

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View PostKRUPI, on 23 August 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

 

*****  Get IL2 BoS and see if you can hit anything with a convergance of 500m. lol good luck

There is a difference between being able to AIM effectively beyond 500m and bullets just flat out disappearing. This is not a sim, nor is it intended to be. You are playing a game where the airplanes have hitpoints, and you are whining that its too easy to aim at long range. This is an arcade game. Your whining here is just as relevent as if you went to a BF4 forum and cried about being able to shoot down a helecopter with a SMAW while parachuting off a building (cough.. solo.. cough cough). 

 

If you want a sim, go play one and stop polluting the forums of this arcade game.  


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even though slightly different

 

http://www.military....ion-course.html

 

Phase 3

During phase 3 of training, you actually complete the official Army qualification course. You must pass the minimum standards in order to graduate from Army basic combat training.

During this phase, you shoot targets (single and pop-up) from three firing positions:

  • Supported prone, in which you stand and fire with your rifle supported by a barricade
  • Unsupported prone, where you stand and fire without anything to support your rifle
  • Foxhole (replaced the kneeling position), where you kneel and shoot from within a simulated foxhole.

Tip: The foxhole position allows you to support your weapon on the solid ground. In my experience, foxhole is the most stable firing position. In order to qualify, you must hit at least 23 out of 40 pop-up targets at rangesvarying from 5 meters to 300 meters (approximately 80 to 327 yards).

From Basic Training for Dummies, copyright © 2011 by Wiley Publishing, Inc., Hoboken, New Jersey. Used by arrangement with John Wiley & Sons, Inc.

 

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View PostClaudio67, on 22 August 2015 - 09:54 PM, said:

 

IL-2 default values:

 

Spoiler

 

And if you ever played IL-2 or DCS you should have noticed that this game is far from being a simulator. Is an arcade game with planes.

 

Why I thought this game was IL-2    !!!!!!   silly me....been playing wrong game

KRUPI #25 Posted 23 August 2015 - 06:06 PM

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Noobs just want it to be easy because they are bad and can't fly a sim! This is a sim and it simulates fighter combat! And they could shorten the range of the ammo.  So your all wrong! Quit crying this isn't  a sim because it is and fix the game! Oh and heavies would be harder to fly.

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View PostKRUPI, on 23 August 2015 - 06:06 PM, said:

Noobs just want it to be easy because they are bad and can't fly a sim! This is a sim and it simulates fighter combat! And they could shorten the range of the ammo.  So your all wrong! Quit crying this isn't  a sim because it is and fix the game! Oh and heavies would be harder to fly.

You have no idea what a sim is, obviously...


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KRUPI #27 Posted 23 August 2015 - 07:14 PM

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View PostRedrocket90, on 23 August 2015 - 11:04 AM, said:

You have no idea what a sim is, obviously...

 

What else have you flown!? Anything? Your k/D is a miserable 1.34. I take it you don't fly anything else because you can't kill and survive. Yeah been flying sims since 98 online and against other players. I'm the best player in this game so before you think you know what a sim is fly more sims!

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View PostKRUPI, on 23 August 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

What else have you flown!? Anything? Your k/D is a miserable 1.34. I take it you don't fly anything else because you can't kill and survive. Yeah been flying sims since 98 online and against other players. I'm the best player in this game so before you think you know what a sim is fly more sims!

 

Pretty sure you are the only person in this game that values K/D above everything else. A good pilot is one that will do his best in any instance whether he's at a disadvantage or not. Running off to hide at 15,000ft because you're too scared to fight isn't the mark of a good pilot.

 

One more thing to add is that a 1.34 K/D and a 53% winrate for only having 2000 battles is actually pretty good. I'd rather have Redrocket90 on my team than you any given day because he might actually try to fight out a tough game with me instead of cowering in the corner.



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View PostKRUPI, on 23 August 2015 - 02:14 PM, said:

 

What else have you flown!? Anything? Your k/D is a miserable 1.34. I take it you don't fly anything else because you can't kill and survive. Yeah been flying sims since 98 online and against other players. I'm the best player in this game so before you think you know what a sim is fly more sims!

 

Best in the game, I don't think so. You are very good but your focus on survival says you pass up win chances. You would rather survive than chance dying when a match goes south.

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Enough of the dumb trolling, ignorance is ignorance and that is all there is to it.

 

Wargaming is a WW2 style air combat game. Look it up for yourself. This is not a Simulator.

World of Warplanes is a free-to-play flight combat massively multiplayer online action game by Wargaming, set in the Golden Age of military aviation. Wikipedia

 

Now you sit and complain because people can shoot you out to a 2000 foot range crying it is not " realistic " or "sim " enough.

Do some research on the planes you are flying and you will see they or most do not even fly like nor near how the real planes fly.

 

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  Just being the Devil's Advocate here.....who's to say this arcade game is even to scale ? I don't know myself, but I question it at times.....Is my plane that measures  9 m in length really only 100 m away from the target as displayed on my 2 dimensional screen ?. It at times looks much closer than 100 m to me ?  Again, just saying maybe the numbers are completely arbitrary. :amazed:. I do know that in reality there is no invisible hand that smacks down your aircraft once you start going above 5000 m....don't get me started on that:angry:

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View PostVradin, on 23 August 2015 - 09:31 PM, said:

  Just being the Devil's Advocate here.....who's to say this arcade game is even to scale ? I don't know myself, but I question it at times.....Is my plane that measures  9 m in length really only 100 m away from the target as displayed on my 2 dimensional screen ?. It at times looks much closer than 100 m to me ?  Again, just saying maybe the numbers are completely arbitrary. :amazed:. I do know that in reality there is no invisible hand that smacks down your aircraft once you start going above 5000 m....don't get me started on that:angry:

 

Well, considering some of the aircraft in here are almost the same size as a warship...



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View PostHoH_Wolfblitz, on 23 August 2015 - 04:40 PM, said:

 

Well, considering some of the aircraft in here are almost the same size as a warship...

 

Some of them are larger. :hiding:

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View PostKRUPI, on 23 August 2015 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

What else have you flown!? Anything? Your k/D is a miserable 1.34. I take it you don't fly anything else because you can't kill and survive. Yeah been flying sims since 98 online and against other players. I'm the best player in this game so before you think you know what a sim is fly more sims!

Wait... What? Best player in the game? Lololol. Good one. 

 

What does "sim" stand for? I believe its short for "simulator" as in to simulate. A "sim" is supposed to simulate real life stuff. A flight sim would simulate real air combat. Last i checked, real airplanes dont have hitpoints. Cannons dont spray shells out of the barrel sideways. Pilots dont pilot from behind their plane. No pilot in ANY plane could survive strolling around in enemy AA 100m off the deck like he is shopping for shoes. Ammo is finite. No destroyed airplane enigine has ever been repaired mid flight to like new condition with the push of a button... i could go on for at least two pages about how this is NOT a sim. 

 

Ok, now lets address this wild claim about you being the best. HA! Not even close. You have more than 2x the battles I do, yet only slightly higher PR, much lower damage and xp per battle, you fly only Bf 109s at tier 4 and 5 in the stratosphere waiting for baby seals to try to climb to you so you can club them. You are NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the best. 

 

If you are going to base a players ability off a single stat, there are plenty of other stats that i can point at as well. I have more ground kills than you so i must be a better piliot, right? I have 1:7 or better rocketeer rate in most of my planes that carry rockets. Obviously i am a superior pilot. Right? If we are just going off a single stat, why do you get to pick which one it is? 

 

PS, even if we were to flight up and somehow work together, Crayola would crush the both of us, then find your mom and *love* her.

 

Get over yourself. Nobody is impressed.


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LOL noob!  ) Learn to fly, and yg.    S!

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View PostKRUPI, on 22 August 2015 - 05:30 PM, said:

The range of the guns are over ranged by 300m at least.  No one should be able to hit anyone over 250m.  All I know is this give noobs a false sense of their ability to fly.  When they really don't have a clue.  People shouldn't be firing till the are getting ready to break the 300m mark.  This needs to be fixed!  It will make your game better!

 

The current range maximum of any plane is 1000 meters. The majority of players open fire at 2000 meters, do you really think reducing range will get people to hold their fire so you can pretend you're a great pilot evading them?

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SO what happens to all the bullets after they converge at 250 meters ? do they magically disappear or do they keep going ?

 

So if I am shooting a target at say 500 meters then would I not just have to aim a little to the left or right so at least 1 gun is hitting the target rather than both guns.

Heck if 2 enemy planes are in the right location I should be able to shoot both planes if one is off to the right and the other too the left at 500 meters.

 

Wouldn't that be nifty.



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The same magic "simulated" hand that stops you from climbing above 5km also swats your bullets out of the air.

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For the record he is right.  We have the benefit of having the Lead compensator.  In reality, during WW2 they did not "practice" deflection shooting.  IE Leading their shot.  They concentrated on getting behind their enemy close.  That is why the convergence was so close compared to the potential range of the gun.  They needed a close focal point where they were sure their limited ammo would WORK and not be wasted

 

''The principles of deflection shooting against wildfowl and airplanes were exactly the same,'' he said. But he acknowledged one difference: ''Airplanes could sometimes return your fire.''  Johny Johnson

 

 

This is a video game though and in this game we are given all these nifty tools like lead-compensating marks to shoot at.  I would love to see how well you all would fare if that was removed lol.

 

Reality for the fighters was very different.  Since the game is not based on reality we kind of have to take it for what it is.

 


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