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_Warchylde_ #61 Posted 10 July 2015 - 05:51 PM

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Very well said, FastAttack.:honoring:

As a pilot almost finished with the F2H grind, I have to say that your analysis of the XF5U is spot on.

As a pilot who has been playing this game since 1.4, I think you also nailed it regarding the entire "complain/nerf/complain/nerf" cycle.

 


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Jiggiwatt #62 Posted 10 July 2015 - 08:04 PM

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The Pancake annoys the hell out of me, but that's just because of what I choose to fly. There are two things that make the pancake an annoyance when I'm flying against them:

1 - Rate of climb

2 - Maneuverability combined with a low stall speed

 

1v1, I can play to my plane's strengths and I'm not too worried. However I routinely end up in a 2v1 with a pancake and something else, and that's where anything I do to outfight the pancake usually gets me killed by someone else. It's a great plane when you have a modicum of teamwork. Teamwork is OP, nerf teamwork.


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View PostJiggiwatt, on 10 July 2015 - 08:04 PM, said:

The Pancake annoys the hell out of me, but that's just because of what I choose to fly. There are two things that make the pancake an annoyance when I'm flying against them:

1 - Rate of climb

2 - Maneuverability combined with a low stall speed

 

1v1, I can play to my plane's strengths and I'm not too worried. However I routinely end up in a 2v1 with a pancake and something else, and that's where anything I do to outfight the pancake usually gets me killed by someone else. It's a great plane when you have a modicum of teamwork. Teamwork is OP, nerf teamwork.

 

Yes, this is true - but there is a serious weakness to the pancake when taking advantage of its strengths...namely, its a sitting duck when moving so slow and can't get back to upper end speed quickly enough if it gets targeted at this point in time.  If I am playing a fighter against a pancake and I see they are using the low stall speed to turn inside of me, I just BnZ them (horizontally) and their dead.   Or more specifically when I see a pancake doing this to an ally, I can 1 pass kill the pancake.   Its the noobs who keep turning thinking they can get around on the pancake when its using this technique.

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Very well stated FastAttack. You nailed the problem with this game Sir

Vradin #65 Posted 10 July 2015 - 10:14 PM

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  A lot of good points made...Just going to add for the Heavies who try climbing vertically against this....don't...This thing is a "Hot Air Balloon of Death".  It's not fast, but it's climb rate is steady and persistent, plus with it's low stall speed it can still get guns on you when you're almost stalled out even though you're 400-800 m above it.

 

  Trick is to aim for a more Horizontal escape rout as it's not actually that fast, maybe around 15-30 degrees and drag it up at higher alts....once up there it turns into a "Led Zepplin". If worse come to worse and you realize your can't out climb it, then turn back on it, barrel roll around it's fire and continue on and away on another horizontal path and continue to drag it up higher with the same method.

 

   Head-on's with this as mentioned aren't quite worth it.....Me-262 might have a chance but who knows where those 30 mms will land. P1056 with the x4 20 mms and x2 40 mms can wreck it, but aim and luck has to be good.:playing:



Psicko23 #66 Posted 11 July 2015 - 01:58 AM

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Does it need more or less syrup and/or butter? 

ViolentAngel #67 Posted 18 July 2015 - 05:23 AM

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Something on this plane needs to give.

 

I propose increasing stall speed from whatever ridiculous value it has now to about 1/3 of what it is.

 

In reality, this plane never got off the ground, so... anything is fair game.


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View PostJekyll_n_Hyde, on 17 July 2015 - 08:27 PM, said:

Just go away. Please, for the love of all things holy, shut your pie hole and move on.

 

 


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View PostViolentAngel, on 17 July 2015 - 11:23 PM, said:

Something on this plane needs to give.

 

I propose increasing stall speed from whatever ridiculous value it has now to about 1/3 of what it is.

 

In reality, this plane never got off the ground, so... anything is fair game.

 

erm... you can't up something to a higher value by making a 1/3 of it's current value - that makes it less (a lot less)

 

I hope you mean something like "add 1/3 to the current vlaue", as in NEW_STALL_SPEED = 1.33 * OLD_STALL_SPEED

 

which is something i don't support BTW, but as a former math and science teacher, I just can't let your statement pass without commenting.


Edited by Vanize, 27 July 2015 - 06:54 PM.


dityboycom #70 Posted 27 July 2015 - 07:19 PM

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I derped a Pancake in my 410 this weekend in a single pass. It definitely needs to be nerfed.

EasternDragon_2014 #71 Posted 27 July 2015 - 07:55 PM

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View Postdityboycom, on 27 July 2015 - 02:19 PM, said:

I derped a Pancake in my 410 this weekend in a single pass. It definitely needs to be nerfed.

 

I derped hundreds of 410s back in the days I flew pancakes. 410 definitely needs to be nerfed.

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dityboycom #72 Posted 27 July 2015 - 08:24 PM

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View PostEasternDragon_2014, on 27 July 2015 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

I derped hundreds of 410s back in the days I flew pancakes. 410 definitely needs to be nerfed.

 

lulz 410 gewd, pancake op.

_Warchylde_ #73 Posted 27 July 2015 - 09:20 PM

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View PostViolentAngel, on 18 July 2015 - 12:23 AM, said:

Something on this plane needs to give.

 

I propose increasing stall speed from whatever ridiculous value it has now to about 1/3 of what it is.

 

In reality, this plane never got off the ground, so... anything is fair game.

 

Actually, since it was originally designed as a STOL aircraft (due to its low aspect ratio), the low stall speed makes perfect sense.

Not that I'm saying you're necessarily wrong, but there is precedent.

 


Edited by _Warchylde_, 27 July 2015 - 09:26 PM.

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