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ViolentAngel #1 Posted 10 July 2015 - 03:43 AM

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Too stronk. Nuff said.

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GiN_nTonic #2 Posted 10 July 2015 - 03:47 AM

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No!!!!!  WG messes everything up when they nerf things.  The pancake is plenty weak if you know how to play it.  The only thing I would nerf would be the duration of the cannons. 

Edited by JlNN, 10 July 2015 - 03:48 AM.


Gang_Starr #3 Posted 10 July 2015 - 03:51 AM

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I have 0 trouble killing Pancakes. Yes the guns are very good but if you dodge them correctly the pancake is extremely vulnerable. It doesn't have the speed to escape like the 262.

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ViolentAngel #4 Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:07 AM

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Riiiight.... it's not too stonk at all. Just perfectly balanced among it's peers. Don't be silly.

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GiN_nTonic #5 Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:18 AM

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View PostJekyll_n_Hyde, on 10 July 2015 - 04:07 AM, said:

Riiiight.... it's not too stonk at all. Just perfectly balanced among it's peers. Don't be silly.

 

Gang is correct.  Pancakes are mostly dangerous to people who think they are a heavy and rely on the maneuverability rating to beat them.  Dont get me wrong, the Pancake is awesome.  However, when I play my pancake against pubbie players I end up wrecking them when it fact there is a viable defense they don't understand, since the very thing that makes the pancake so lethal can also make it a sitting duck.

 

Pancakes do destroy GA planes like no other, and there really isn't much an GA plane can do against them but avoid pancakes altogether. This game needs more GA killers to balance that aspect of the game.


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scipionmk #6 Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:23 AM

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No moar NERFS, please.

ViolentAngel #7 Posted 10 July 2015 - 04:29 AM

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I can wreck GAs in any light fighter. We don't need the pancake for that.

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View PostJlNN, on 09 July 2015 - 09:47 PM, said:

No!!!!!  WG messes everything up when they nerf things.  The pancake is plenty weak if you know how to play it.  The only thing I would nerf would be the duration of the cannons. 

huh?:unsure: I really don't care for nerfs or buffs atm... all I want is more aircraft, and end game content. like those tourneys that are supposed to start this month...

 

oh and the buff to cannons should put those GA back in there place. if the game is still around.


Edited by broslicer, 10 July 2015 - 05:08 AM.

 

                                     

 


ViolentAngel #9 Posted 10 July 2015 - 05:02 AM

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This is ridiculous.  So far as I can tell, the Pancake's weakness is a crappy pilot:

 

 

Gang_Starr = 80% w/b 92 battles

JlNN = 79% w/r 191 battles

scipionmk = 67% w/r 45 battles

 

Of course you don't want it to be balanced.


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GiN_nTonic #10 Posted 10 July 2015 - 05:22 AM

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Not to sound like an elitist, but 79% is fairly average for me - so what you are saying nearly proves my point.  Notice last 2500+ games:

 

Spoiler

 

I have an 87% win rate in my P-51H and I doubt anyone is calling for that plane to be nerf'd.


Edited by JlNN, 10 July 2015 - 05:24 AM.


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Must be Hyde talking...go eat some cheese...or get your own pancake.  Jeezus fricken whiners in this game...wah wah too op, nerf...wah!  :child:

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I'll fight you in an F2G and you can play a pancake. The plane isn't too strong.

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View Postbroslicer, on 10 July 2015 - 05:01 AM, said:

huh?:unsure: 

 

I meant play against it when I say "play it". 



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View PostJekyll_n_Hyde, on 10 July 2015 - 01:02 AM, said:

 

Gang_Starr = 80% w/b 92 battles

JlNN = 79% w/r 191 battles

scipionmk = 67% w/r 45 battles

 

Of course you don't want it to be balanced.

 

I have a 80% W/R in the F4U-4 (all after the corsair nerf) does that mean it's OP too?

or these:

I-250 - 78% W/R

Me 262 - 76% W/R

A6M6 Zero - 72% W/R

 

WG nerf those planes too because if Gang_Starr has good win-rates in them it means they're OP.


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pancake is not strong at all , its only strong with a good pilot on it.

 

Nerf the pilot I say.

 

pfft if I start posting win rates here all the airplanes I fly are to OP lol

 


Edited by FastAttack, 10 July 2015 - 05:31 AM.


ViolentAngel #16 Posted 10 July 2015 - 05:33 AM

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Great players are going to be great in just about any plane.

 

No one's calling for a nerf to the P-51D because the server avg. win rate is 49% for that plane.

 

In terms of balancing, it's not the individual players to consider, it's the average of all players for the plane.

 

I'll get the XF5U eventually. Fear not.


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Gang_Starr #17 Posted 10 July 2015 - 05:33 AM

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The reason the Overall server W/R is so high is because 90% of the players in WoWp are noobs that love doing head-ons, and the Pancake is very good at doing that.

 

 

Also, all my matches in the pancake were flown with the 12.7mm guns (only flew with the 20mm for 3 matches). The reason my winrate is high is not because the plane is OP, but because I'm an above-average pilot while most the the players I meet in matches are awful.


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GiN_nTonic #18 Posted 10 July 2015 - 05:33 AM

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Actually - here are the pancake stats....not sure where J&H got his for me.  Yes, I vote to nerf FastAttack (he mentioned it) if we want to turn this thread into a serious discussion about that. :teethhappy:

 

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Edited by JlNN, 10 July 2015 - 05:35 AM.


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I blame FastAttack and Preditorian for inflating the numbers the most... 

 

I bet if you pull the stats out for the whole airplane and the amount of players that play it , I bet the top 10 players of the airplane influence the whole stat lol

 



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View PostFastAttack, on 10 July 2015 - 01:38 AM, said:

I blame FastAttack and Preditorian for inflating the numbers the most... 

 

I bet if you pull the stats out for the whole airplane and the amount of players that play it , I bet the top 10 players of the airplane influence the whole stat lol

 

 

Basically. Waffles has played the Pancake almost for 1000 battles and he has a 82% W/R.

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