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MALICE_AT_BIRTH #1 Posted 06 July 2015 - 02:57 PM

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After a While it Becomes Tiresome.

 

 

 

 

Hello all,

 

For some of us, those that are still left since beta,  to the few who have hoped, wished, wrote, asked, pleaded, suggested idea’s, volunteered , to Wargaming to implement Clan Wars, Tournaments, the simple implementations to achieve technical parity with World of Tanks has become exhausting to say the least. For us that love historical aviation, the Feel of a combat simulation has seen this concept obliterated to a simpletons arcade pastime.

 

I still attempt to read the forums, it’s silly to say, but to even log onto the forums feels like a chore, I don’t look forward to it anymore; it’s that sliver of hope that someone at Wargaming will actually grow a conscious and feel a sense of remorse for all the white lie horse poop we have been force feed over the past almost two years. Even typing this post feels as one of my last, unless Wargaming miraculously decides to improve the game with numerous suggestions from the community, when pleas are ignored even the most loyal become despondent with time, numbing is a good word.

 

Will I keep playing, Yes, Me Personally I have invested time and money so I don’t want to entirely waste my investment. From the heart I love flight Sims I’m pretty decent at them.

 

 

Anyway; We (Like Always) can only hope for the best.


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Lou #2 Posted 06 July 2015 - 03:49 PM

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That's why the old timers stick around. We hope it gets turned around, and want to be in because its fun.

SkyWolf__WM #3 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:03 PM

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And apparently we love to hear ourselves talk.about the same things over and over.

 


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GiN_nTonic #4 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:03 PM

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WoWP is actually a better game than WoWS I believe, and I have a difficult time understanding why WG doesn't give this game a 2nd push - call it 2.0.  Clan war support is important, but so is adding more content (plane lines/strong hold etc), improving MM (to make larger games), and fixing annoying bugs.

 

 



GiN_nTonic #5 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:04 PM

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 06 July 2015 - 04:03 PM, said:

And apparently we love to hear ourselves talk.about the same things over and over.

 

 

repetition for emphasis ...


dityboycom #6 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:07 PM

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 06 July 2015 - 12:03 PM, said:

And apparently we love to hear ourselves talk.about the same things over and over.

 

 

When is the last time you had a new conversation with your wife?

backseater60 #7 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:23 PM

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What's sad is watching Victor's video is they thing the problem with warplanes is the 3 dimensional playing area that people can't figure it out.  Who is he talking with to fill his head with this nonsense.

 

yea repetition is all we have to try to get through to them what the problems are.

How many times do you have to say FIX the MATCH MAKER to get them to hear ya.

But we know where that is going to go.



dityboycom #8 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:35 PM

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They could hire any remotely active player on the NA server to manage the products development and get better results than they are now.

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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 06 July 2015 - 08:03 AM, said:

And apparently we love to hear ourselves talk.about the same things over and over.

 

 

I don't think anyone "loves" this.  I think it is more of a can't stop. lol  :P

backseater60 #10 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:39 PM

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View Postdityboycom, on 06 July 2015 - 10:35 AM, said:

They could hire any remotely active player on the NA server to manage the products development and get better results than they are now.

 

 

Agree, If I remember some old post I believe we have some players with that type of degree background that could do better then with what we have now.


 



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View PostSojo, on 06 July 2015 - 07:57 AM, said:

. . . We (Like Always) can only hope for the best.

 

hope for the best, expect . . . the worst wargaming 

Jiggiwatt #12 Posted 06 July 2015 - 04:50 PM

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I'm just about done, I think. I'm going to finish my grind on the P.228 over the next couple weeks just so I can finish the British tech tree. After that, I don't see a reason to keep playing.

 

No clan wars.

Bug after annoying bug.

No population.

Irritating MM.

World of GAA.

 

Not with a bang, but with a whimper...


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GiN_nTonic #13 Posted 06 July 2015 - 05:13 PM

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View Postdityboycom, on 06 July 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

They could hire any remotely active player on the NA server to manage the products development and get better results than they are now.

 

Exactly.  Or for that matter they could forum a user advisory group that would coordinate with the Devs in Ukraine.  At the end of the day, only communication and discussion with that group could bring changes and/or explanations for future development of the game. 

 

As you mentioned in another thread, the NA community has simply been "along for the ride" with the RU/EU player base.  Our issues dont truly get communicated well to anyone that matters.

 

Now that Gunlion is gone, its even more precarious.  Although, I think most of us would agree Gunlion's help with WoWP issues was mostly waning when he took over WoWS forum manager position.  


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My view about the money is different.

To me it is not an investment it is a waste of money.

much like going to a theater and watching a movie or buying any other single player game.

To me an investment is purchasing a kayak, bicycle, plane ticket, cruise ship ticket.

Camera art materials...as for games and non tangible online junk....just a waste of money.

But that is entertainment.

Away to pass the time other than starring into space.



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View Postbackseater60, on 06 July 2015 - 11:39 AM, said:

 

 

Agree, If I remember some old post I believe we have some players with that type of degree background that could do better then with what we have now.


 

 

 

I've got a couple classes in game design and business as well as some common sense to listen when people say "this ain't working", does that qualify me?

 

I will agree that the majority of reasons why they say this game has failed is malarkey. However their biggest does seem to be the "3d combat is too hard" which is both true and false. Yes, for most, thinking of more than left right, front back, is far from second nature, play tanks or better yet any of the FPS games and most people will forget to look at a higher elevation. That being said, WG does nothing to really help that.

 

There is no tutorial/training thing that really helps try to teach them.

 

Radar, which is super helpful in this, is disabled by default and has no explanation how it works, I learned it on the fly.

 

We don't get WG made how to guides on various planes anymore for a quick reference.

 

And at this point, a better explanation or rework of spotting mechanics would be useful. I've most figured out and learned WoT and WoWs spotting, then you have this game. Actually had a player send me a message of "that's what you get for headhunting" when in reality I went for him because he was close in altitude and had a good angle and performance edge to exploit, and as I'm lining up all of a sudden 600m away a P-38 magically appears shooting at me. He wasn't on radar or visible prior to that because had he been, I would have gone head on firing rockets at him for the contest. There are times the spotting in this game makes no bloody sense.

 

I don't play this game nearly as much as I did, I'm taking a break from ships after all the alpha and beta testing as well as what I've done in super test (and because I'm taking a break before resuming my campaign to at least TRY to make some of the carrier aircraft and all historically accurate and not have a second world war built escort carrier launching biplanes retired before they started building it), playing more tanks because I've gotten a lot better at it and they have giveaways galore that are relatively easy, But what keeps me from playing as much is the same thing that keeps me around.

 

When I joined in 1.1, this game had issues, but potential. and through 1.2-4, I saw more of that potential coming out, and the game still had so much more and was 1000x better than the competition, because they had a good balance between historical sim and arcade. But then they botched 1.5, which could have been good had they listened and postponed the patch, and subsequent patches may have fixed somethings or made others worse. This game still has so much potential, and I still like it better than that pay to win pos the other company makes. But seeing it having regressed so much when it had been moving the right direction, steps by either the company or the devs in recent months, and other assorted things, kills my drive to play it. Normally, I'd be intent to get that mosquito, but it's not worth my time trying to grind 350k base xp when tanks now has an on track back up, and I can spam first wins and make use of my premium time for extra xp towards that till I get to the 8 day rental, where it's more I just have to grind that tank about the same as an on track or the WZ mission, and hey, worse case scenario, I shell out 15 bucks for a premium heavy to train my crew in besides excelsior.

 

I want this game to succeed, really I do, because playing it reminded me of playing combat flight sim as a kid, that balance I had between sim and fun that had me playing for hours and trying to do insane things (like learning how to get a fully loaded P-38 off a carrier deck, and then land it again - Turns out in CFS 2 the trick they used to get the b-25's off the carriers worked). But it was so much fun. But between what I see of the other games population in planes, players we lost for various reasons since 1.5, and all he people that seem to play games like ace combat and others, theres a market out there, more than recent things said by WG indicate, all they have to do is sort this out nd advertise it and it could be every bit tanks equal in population or at least even the equal of ships (to which we would at least be able to resume a normal MM like RU and EU have).


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It wouldn't matter what they explained people care not to read.

 

The mechanics of the game are irrelevant, countless complaints about spotting, capping, gold rounds etc on the tanks forum yet thousands still play. Why? There is something to log on for, tournaments, clan wars, strongholds, capture the flag, domination, supremacy, etc.

 

The spotting mechanics in this game were broken when they implemented the new consumables and equipment that adjust cammo ratings by up to 50%, but they are by no means a cause for a loss in population.



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View PostLou, on 06 July 2015 - 03:49 PM, said:

That's why the old timers stick around. We hope it gets turned around, and want to be in because its fun.

 

Yep, this is me. I admit I've been away awhile, but I played a few matches before the weekend and found that only four people were in the queue. Wound up in bot matches both times (which is actually a smart addition by WG).


 

I had such high hopes when I was in the closed beta for it, I'm really hoping they put the effort in to turn this around. There are still end tier planes I'd like to own one day



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View PostNatep1031, on 06 July 2015 - 01:44 PM, said:

 

Yep, this is me. I admit I've been away awhile, but I played a few matches before the weekend and found that only four people were in the queue. Wound up in bot matches both times (which is actually a smart addition by WG).


 

I had such high hopes when I was in the closed beta for it, I'm really hoping they put the effort in to turn this around. There are still end tier planes I'd like to own one day

 

I think you were just in bot battle queue. There are no bots in random battle mode yet, besides testing.

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View Postdityboycom, on 06 July 2015 - 05:49 PM, said:

 

I think you were just in bot battle queue. There are no bots in random battle mode yet, besides testing.

 

Really? Haha I'm going to have to take a look at that when I get on tonight, could be a total noob blunder on my part.

 

I'm admittedly Spread pretty thin right now, with work, WoT, WoWs, WoWp, AW, Destiny. Not to mention I manage just about everything with my primarily WoT clan, and have for some time (tournaments, Strongholds, Clan Wars, the website and website development, recruitment, keeping up to date on information across all platforms since I'm the only one that does). I'd love to have a reason to come back to this one, but I'm seeing I need to cut down on some things, delegate a bit.



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View PostNatep1031, on 06 July 2015 - 01:53 PM, said:

 

Really? Haha I'm going to have to take a look at that when I get on tonight, could be a total noob blunder on my part.

 

I'm admittedly Spread pretty thin right now, with work, WoT, WoWs, WoWp, AW, Destiny. Not to mention I manage just about everything with my primarily WoT clan, and have for some time (tournaments, Strongholds, Clan Wars, the website and website development, recruitment, keeping up to date on information across all platforms since I'm the only one that does). I'd love to have a reason to come back to this one, but I'm seeing I need to cut down on some things, delegate a bit.

 

lemme borrow your two best players for a tournament carry, kthx.




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