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IRON_EAGLE_NA #1 Posted 08 May 2015 - 06:21 AM

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It's good to know you're still trying to get it right, but more than 2 min. in the Queue with 20 or more players gets real boring really fast, and that's on a High end PC made for gaming.

The Tier spread needs to be broadened up to 4, with a really Big REWARD for killing a plane 4 Tiers higher.

I know it would be really hard to achieve, but not impossible.



FreeFOXMIKE #2 Posted 08 May 2015 - 08:37 AM

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View PostIRON_EAGEL, on 08 May 2015 - 12:21 AM, said:

It's good to know you're still trying to get it right, but more than 2 min. in the Queue with 20 or more players gets real boring really fast, and that's on a High end PC made for gaming.

The Tier spread needs to be broadened up to 4, with a really Big REWARD for killing a plane 4 Tiers higher.

I know it would be really hard to achieve, but not impossible.

 

well first to programming / coding to do will it bog the server? Second then how soon till the players in the lower tiers complain ? 

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GenPanzer #3 Posted 08 May 2015 - 10:27 AM

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They need to do things to increase population, not decrease it.

 

Your idea would need a tier spread of 10 after about 2 days, to fix the issue all over again. Oy!



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OP - CT server or the NA server now?

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Im guessing NA server, cause of 'big reward', if so....

 

What a GREAT idea but lets say just a 3 tier spread.  We would get close to full matches, how fun that would be. 

 



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tbh, I'm all for a bigger tier spread, if it means fuller matches. Sometimes you'd be top tier, sometimes you'd be bottom tier. It all works out.

 

I'm just sick of all the 3v3 jam packed with GAA, what a snooze fest. I don't think population is ever going to increase, forget about "new" players, lets make the game playable for those of us who still want to play it.



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Unless your trying to play t-10, it should be all of 30 seconds. Unless its because of our low population or on the CT server.

 

We already have balance issues with +/-2, namely AA, If your talking even +/-3 let alone 4, your out of your mind, it would absolutely sink the game because there are already some instances where +2 planes are absolutely broke against -2, tier 8 vs tier 4 or 5? that fight is so hilariously unfair it is not even funny. A 262 will wipe the floor with P-40's, yaks, and the A6M2. The edge in turning won't make up on the fact the 262 will be out of range by the time they get turned on his tail. And the 262 wins the head on battle unless they introduce the pilot knockout nonsense the competition has.

 

What they need to do is 1: increase the minimum to make a match

2: fix the game

3: advertise and find ways to get new players in and old players back

4: hopefully get to a point that we can use the MM we used to have for 1.4, 5 and 6 because while 1.5 and 6 was a pain on the US server, it's a far better MM, especially because all the re-balancing was meant for it, and even 1.4 is MILES ahead of what we have now with two tier 8's and a 6 vs 1 tier 7 and 2 tier 6's. 


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View PostIRON_EAGEL, on 08 May 2015 - 01:21 AM, said:

It's good to know you're still trying to get it right, but more than 2 min. in the Queue with 20 or more players gets real boring really fast, and that's on a High end PC made for gaming.

The Tier spread needs to be broadened up to 4, with a really Big REWARD for killing a plane 4 Tiers higher.

I know it would be really hard to achieve, but not impossible.

 

If you are in a low population tier group all you can do is move to another tier that is more populated. You have enough battles to have gone through the insanely stupid waits for smaller matches that we were getting in 1.6, 1.5 was slow but not as bad.

 

View PostWanderingGhost, on 08 May 2015 - 09:53 AM, said:

Unless your trying to play t-10, it should be all of 30 seconds. Unless its because of our low population or on the CT server.

 

4: hopefully get to a point that we can use the MM we used to have for 1.4, 5 and 6 because while 1.5 and 6 was a pain on the US server, it's a far better MM, especially because all the re-balancing was meant for it, and even 1.4 is MILES ahead of what we have now with two tier 8's and a 6 vs 1 tier 7 and 2 tier 6's. 

 

Tier one can take a couple of minutes but it is still miles ahead of what it was in 1.6.

 

Ghost, the "fair" MM only works well when there are lots of players in all of the tiers and even then it has huge issues. It makes mostly single tier  often less than full matches.

Tier 4 Bf-110B on the EU server. The only reason there are two tiers is the "Honeymoon" period.

Tier 2 TSh-2 also on the EU server. I was bypassed four times probably because the fair MM wants a matching plane class, which in this case means another TSh-2 as anyone with the Pegasus would have too many matches to be put against a newbie, in the same tier on the opposite team.

The battle I got after that wait. :amazed: I could have gotten this over here in a couple of minutes at most and probably under a minute.

 

Both of those were during their prime time with 2500 plus online. I shudder to think of what it is like for them in the off hours. The "fair" MM does not work!


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IRON_EAGLE_NA #9 Posted 09 May 2015 - 08:54 AM

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Hey guys you all sound great and I tried it with all my planes, I was just on with 100 players online and could not get one battle in 6 min. for each plane, except in bots and that took 2 min.

What really ROTS is there are only 4 days to complete most of the missions and if you or I cannot get a Standard Battle, then what's the use.

Anyway by the time I left the game there was less than 45 players left online, with an average of 20 players in the Queue.

Even at 2 players in each Tier is more than enough for a match.

What ever happened to the 2,000 or more players online and the 30 plane battles of all tiers?

Maybe you think that was not fair? well it was damned sure fun! and that is what the game is supposed to be FUN.

 We should be here singing praises, instead of complaining. What a waste of resources and what is wrong with the marketing team? 

I wish they would give some of those great rewards in the live game, especially the Gold.

 One more thought, when will we here about these issues from a Developer or Programmer ?

No disrespect, but in here I would like to see more than players answering this Forum Post.

 Thank you all for your replies.



IRON_EAGLE_NA #10 Posted 09 May 2015 - 09:11 AM

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View PostFreeFOXMIKE, on 08 May 2015 - 03:37 AM, said:

 

well first to programming / coding to do will it bog the server? Second then how soon till the players in the lower tiers complain ?

 

Don't tell me about programing or jamming the sever, Go play War Thunder and get back to me on that issue.

 If they can do it there , then they can do it here.

And as to the lower tier players, I believe they came here to have fun, not tell the company how to run their business or program the game.

To put it mildly "they just don't give a Rats butt why? or how?".

They just want to have "FUN" and so do I.



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View PostIRON_EAGEL, on 08 May 2015 - 02:21 AM, said:

It's good to know you're still trying to get it right, but more than 2 min. in the Queue with 20 or more players gets real boring really fast, and that's on a High end PC made for gaming.

The Tier spread needs to be broadened up to 4, with a really Big REWARD for killing a plane 4 Tiers higher.

I know it would be really hard to achieve, but not impossible.

 

Exactly what tier are you flying?   I have NEVER have to wait 2 mins in NA since the new MM.   I think you are just trolling.
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View Postmullyman, on 09 May 2015 - 06:20 AM, said:

 

Exactly what tier are you flying?   I have NEVER have to wait 2 mins in NA since the new MM.   I think you are just trolling.

 

I have has a few and I mean very few three minute waits when getting the doubles on my P-12. That is very rare though. This makes me think that the OP is trolling, sort of like certain anti-flight people, that have been quiet lately, that flighted.

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You all do know that he is talking about the CT server.  This thread is in the Public Test section and the numbers he is talking about is the about right for the population on the CT server at prime time in NA.  Which is usually 50-100 total and 10-20 in queue.  Also CT server is still using the RU/EU MM. 

 

Only way to get good testing is to test when RU is online.



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View PostDrSinister, on 09 May 2015 - 11:58 AM, said:

You all do know that he is talking about the CT server.  This thread is in the Public Test section and the numbers he is talking about is the about right for the population on the CT server at prime time in NA.  Which is usually 50-100 total and 10-20 in queue.  Also CT server is still using the RU/EU MM. 

 

Only way to get good testing is to test when RU is online.

 

Whoops, stupid attack. Didn't notice this was the CT bug forum. :ohmy: Yeah, the CT uses the EU/RU "fair" MM and they are even complaining. The CT does need a faster MM, they should try using ours with some balancing, no four GA's vs none for one. The Europeans and Russians may find that they actually like it.

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Thank You DrSinister.

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