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J311yfish #1 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:03 PM

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J311yfish #2 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:04 PM

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Tier I

 

Gloster Goldfinch​ (12/1927) -- Specification F.9/26 -- Henry P. Folland

 

 

 

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J311yfish #3 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

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Tier II

 

Bristol Bulldog (05/1927, 01/1928+) -- Specification F.9/26 and 11.31 -- Frank Barnwell and L.G. Frise

 

Gloster Gauntlet ( __/1933) -- Specification F.9/26, 24/33 -- Henry P. Folland

 

Fairey Gordon (03/1931, 05/1934) -- Specification 18/30 and 14/33 -- ~160 built // Fairey Seal (11/1931) -- Specification 12/29 and 24/32 -- 91 built

 

Hawker Demon (07/1932) -- Specification 15/30​ and 6/32 -- Sydney Camm // Hawker Hart // Hawker Osprey

 

 

Handley Page Heyford (06/1930) -- Specification B.19/27, B.23/32 -- George Rudolph Volkert-- heavy bomber biplane

Boulton & Paul Overstrand (after 06/1933, before 12/1933) -- medium bomber biplane

 

 


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J311yfish #4 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

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Tier III

 

Bristol 133 (07/1934) -- private venture to Specification F.7/30 -- Frank Barnwell

 

Gloster Gladiator (09/1934) -- Specification F.7/30 -- Henry P. Folland​​ // Gloster Sea Gladiator (delivered 12/1938)

 

Fairey Swordfish (04/1934) -- Specification S.15/33 and 38/34 -- Marcel Lobelle -- 2391 built (1699 by Blackburn)

 

Blackburn Skua (02/1937) -- Specification O.27/34 and 25/36 -- G.E. Petty -- 2+190 built

 

 

Bristol Blenheim Mk.IV (early mod.) -- Specification B.28/35, 11/36 -- Frank Barnwell

 

 

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J311yfish #5 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

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Tier IV

 

Bristol 146 (02/1938) -- Specification F.5/34 -- unknown

 

Gloster F.5/34 (12/1937) -- Specification F.5/34 -- H.P. Folland & H.E. Preston

 

Fairey Albacore (12/1938) -- Specification M.7/36, O.8/36, 41/37 -- 800 built

 

Blackburn Roc (12/1938) -- Specification O.30/35, O.15/37 -- G. E. Petty -- 136 built

 

Bristol Blenheim F (09/1937) -- Specification 11/36 -- unknown -- (Mk.IF operational 09/1938, Mk.IVF operational 04/1940, Mk.V operational 06/1942)

 

 

Armstrong Whitworth Whitley (03/1936) -- Specification B.3/34 -- John Lloyd​ -- medium night bomber 1939 -- priority production 05/1940 -- 1,814 built

Vickers Wellington (06/1936) -- Specification B.9/32 -- Rex Pierson-- medium day bomber 1939 -- priority production 05/1940  -- geodetic construction

Handley Page Hampden (06/1936) -- Specification B.9/32 -- G.R. Volkert -- medium day bomber

 

 

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J311yfish #6 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:07 PM

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Tier V

 

Supermarine Spitfire I (03/1936) -- Specification F.7/34 -- Reginald J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith

 

Hawker Hurricane (11/1935) -- Specification F.7/30, F.5/34, F.36/34 -- Sydney Camm// Hawker Sea Hurricane (delivered 01/1941)

 

S.24/37 ​-- Torpedo-Bomber-Reconnaissance aircraft

 

Boulton-Paul P.82 Defiant (08/1937) -- Specification F.9/35 -- John Dudley North

 

Bristol Beaufighter (07/1939) -- Leslie Frise and Roy Fedden

 

 

Avro Manchester (07/1939) -- Specification P.13/36 -- twin-engine medium day/night bomber -- 202 built

Handley Page Halifax (10/1939) -- Specification P.13/36 -- four-engine heavy bomber -- 6176 built

Short Stirling (05/1939) -- Specification B.12/36 -- 

 

 

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J311yfish #7 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:07 PM

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Tier VI

 

Supermarine Spitfire V (05/1941+) -- R.J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith// Supermarine Seafire (delivered 01/1942)

 

Hawker Typhoon (02/1940) -- Specification F.18/37 -- Sydney Camm

 

Fairey Barracuda (12/1940) -- Specification S.24/37 -- Marcel Lobelle​ -- 2+2,600 built

 

Fairey Fulmar (01/1940) -- Specification P.4/34, O.8/38 -- Marcel Lobelle

 

De Havilland DH.98 Mosquito (11/1940) -- R.E. Bishop​ -- 7,781 built  // Sea Mosquito (tested 03/1944; delivered 11/1945)

 

 

Avro Lancaster (01/1941) -- Roy Chadwick​ -- 7373 built

 

 

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J311yfish #8 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:08 PM

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Tier VII

 

Supermarine Spitfire IX  (late 1942) -- R.J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith

 

Hawker Tempest (09/1942) -- Specification F.10/41 -- Sydney Camm

 

Blackburn Firebrand (02/1942) -- Specification N.8/39, N.11/40 -- G.E. Petty

 

Fairey Firefly (12/1941) -- Specification N.5/40 -- H.E. Chaplin

 

De Havilland 103 Hornet (07/1944) -- Specification F.12/43 -- R.E. Bishop​ // Sea Hornet (04/1945; delivered 06/01/1947) -- Specification N.5/44

 

 

Avro Lincoln (06/1944) -- Specification B.14/43 -- Roy Chadwick

 

 

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J311yfish #9 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:08 PM

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Tier VIII

 

Supermarine Spitfire XIV  (04/1944) -- R.J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith

 

Hawker Sea Fury (09/1944+) -- Specification F.2/43 and N.22/43 -- Sydney Camm

 

Westland Wyvern (12/1946)-- Specification N.11/44 -- Edward Petter and John Digby

 

De Havilland DH.100 Vampire (09/1943) -- Specification E.6/41, N.40/46, F.3/47 -- R.E. Bishop// Sea Vampire(production FF 10/1948)

 

Gloster Meteor (03/1943) -- extensive development

 

Westland P.1056 (03/1944 design) -- W.E.W. Petter

 

 

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J311yfish #10 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:09 PM

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Tier IX

 

Supermarine Attacker (07/1946) -- Specification E.10/44 and E.1/45 -- Joe Smith

 

Hawker Sea Hawk (09/1947) -- Specification N.7/46 -- Sydney Camm

 

De Havilland DH.112 Venom / Sea Venom (09/1949, 04/1951) -- R.E. Bishop

 

Gloster P.228 (1946) -- Specification F.44/46 -- Richard Walker

 

English Electric Canberra (05/1949) -- Specification B.3/45 -- W.E.W. Petter

 

 

Tier X

 

Supermarine Swift (12/1948) -- Specification E.1/46 -- Joe Smith

 

Hawker Hunter (07/1951) -- Specification F.3/48 -- Sydney Camm

 

De Havilland DH.110 Sea Vixen (09/1951) -- from Specification F.44/46 and N.40/46, F.4/48 and N.14/49 -- R.E. Bishop

 

Gloster Javelin (11/1951, 09/1955) -- Specification F.4/48 -- Richard Walker​ -- 435 built

 

English Electric Canberra (05/1949) -- Specification B.3/45 -- W.E.W. Petter // Martin B-57 Canberra (licensed production 03/1951+ United States; FF 07/1953)

 

 

Vickers Valiant (05/1951) -- Specification B.35/46 -- 

Avro Vulcan (08/1952)-- Specification B.35/46 -- 

Handley Page Victor (12/1952)-- Specification B.35/46 -- 

 

 

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Heh #11 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:45 PM

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So did HAL make some Korean War era jets? Because the earliest I found was the HAL HF-24 Marut, a 1961 fighter and the first fighter ever built in India, designed by Kurt Tank. Pakistan only had licensed Spitfires, Sea Furies, Tempests and F-86F Sabres in their ranks.

 

Overall, I don't think it's even doable. It would just be a juxtaposition of random Russian and American aircraft and nothing else.


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I don't know yet if it is possible but I hope to find out.  I was surprised to discover the abundance of Hawker aircraft used by both.


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So, basically a British tech tree with a handful of French and American aircraft?

 

....Nah.



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Very impressive. LOL. I don't know how involved they were in the war though.


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View PostJ311yfish, on 09 July 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

I don't know yet if it is possible but I hope to find out.  I was surprised to discover the abundance of Hawker aircraft used by both.

 

In order for it to actually be an Indo-Pakistani tree, there should be a good enough majority of either Indian or Pakistani planes. India is the one closest to getting their own aircraft due to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, but their first fighter was built in 1961, and it surpasses the tier 10 bracket and especially the timeline. Until you find a large enough amount of actual Indian or Pakistani aircraft that fit within our timeline, don't expect to find such a tree anytime soon. It's too bad though, as HAL is a rather solid company and I liked the Tejas despite the disappointing speed.


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I am still very early into this, but it seems to me that there are 3 political entities that fall under the category of "India" for the timeline of the game, those are:

 

  1. British-ruled India until 1947

  2. Republic of India 1947+

  3. Islamic Republic of Pakistan 1947+

 

The Indian Air Force began as a component of the Royal Air Force in 1932.  I am not a historian, this is all just unverified information from Wikipedia.

 

So, until 1947 anyway, this is absolutely British development flown under a different flag, which happens to be composed primarily of Hawker ... which so far happens to be absent from the game.

 

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I didn't set out to make an Indian tech tree.  I actually came across it by chance while looking at the Folland Gnat for Finland.  

 

It may be that nothing comes of this exploration, other than a detailed examination of the Hawker line.  If that is the case, I don't consider it to be a lost effort.


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First flight dates of aircraft used in India (unverified):

 

British India continued until August 15 1947, at which time it was split into India and Pakistan.

 

This just means that most of the aircraft used in India were developed while it was still ruled by Britain.

 

That may not be the best metric, or even the most valid, but at this stage it is the easiest to come by.

 

Anyway, with all of this in mind I think that the best way to proceed is to change this thread to a detailed examination of the Hawker line, and then to account for an "Indian tree" at the end which should have a very strong resemblance.


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View PostHeh, on 09 July 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

So did HAL make some Korean War era jets? Because the earliest I found was the HAL HF-24 Marut, a 1961 fighter and the first fighter ever built in India, designed by Kurt Tank. Pakistan only had licensed Spitfires, Sea Furies, Tempests and F-86F Sabres in their ranks.

 

Overall, I don't think it's even doable. It would just be a juxtaposition of random Russian and American aircraft and nothing else.

 

So, kind of like WoTs Chinese tank tree?  It's doable, lol


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So, kind of like WoTs Chinese tank tree?  It's doable, lol

 

Except that HAL didn't start producing their own planes until past our cutoff date. At least the Chinese had a few designs of their own that were simply Soviet tanks upgraded with Chinese tech. HAL didn't create warplanes early enough, and they're the first aeronautical/aerospace company in India to make a warplane of their own. They didn't even modify foreign tech either.


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Here is a collection of every Hawker line proposal ever made on this forum (as far as I know):

 

Hawker line proposals

 

Using these as a starting point, I intend to research the Hawker line in detail and will post findings here.

 

I don't know what that means yet for British India (or Australia, Canada, etc.) so figuring that out will instead be a sideline project.


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