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J311yfish #1 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:03 PM

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J311yfish #2 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:04 PM

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Gloster Goldfinch​ (__/1927) -- Specification F.9/26 -- Henry P. Folland

 

 

 

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J311yfish #3 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

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Tier II

 

Bristol Bulldog (05/1927, 01/1928+) -- Specification F.9/26 -- Frank Barnwell and L.G. Frise

 

Hawker Fury (03/1931) -- Specification 13/30 ​-- Sydney Camm

 

Hawker Demon (07/1932) -- Specification 15/30​ -- Sydney Camm

 

 

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Tier III

 

Bristol 133 (07/1934) -- private venture to Specification F.7/30 -- Frank Barnwell

 

Hawker High-Speed Fury (05/1933) -- experimental -- Sydney Camm

 

Gloster Gladiator (09/1934) -- Specification F.7/30 -- Henry P. Folland

 

Blackburn Skua (02/1937) -- Specification O.27/34 -- G.E. Petty

 

 

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J311yfish #5 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

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Tier IV

 

Bristol 146 (02/1938) -- Specification F.5/34 -- unknown

 

Hawker Hurricane I (10/1937) -- Sydney Camm

 

Westland P.9 Whirlwind (10/1938, 03/1939) -- Specification F.37/35​ -- Arthur Davenport and Edward Petter

 

Bristol Blenheim F (1935, 1936)

 

 

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J311yfish #6 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:07 PM

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Tier V

 

Supermarine Spitfire I (03/1936)

 

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Gloster F.9/37 (04/1939)

 

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Bristol Beaufighter (1938+)

 

 

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Tier VI

 

Supermarine Spitfire V (05/1941+)

 

Hawker Typhoon (10/1939)

 

Gloster F.18/40 Reaper (1940+)

 

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J311yfish #8 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:08 PM

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Tier VII

 

Supermarine Spitfire IX  (late 1942)

 

Hawker Tempest (09/1942)

 

Westland P.14 Welkin (11/1942)

 

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De Havilland 103 Hornet (07/1944)

 

 

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Tier VIII

 

Supermarine Spitfire XIV  (04/1944)

 

Hawker Sea Fury (09/1944+)

 

Gloster Meteor (03/1943)

 

De Havilland DH.100 Vampire (09/1943)

 

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J311yfish #10 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:09 PM

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Tier IX

 

Supermarine Attacker (07/1946)

 

Hawker Sea Hawk (09/1947)

 

Gloster Meteor

 

De Havilland DH.112 Venom / Sea Venom (09/1949, 04/1951)

 

Gloster P.228 (1946)

 

 

Tier X

 

Supermarine Swift (12/1948)

 

Hawker Hunter (07/1951)

 

Gloster Meteor

 

De Havilland DH.110 Sea Vixen (09/1951)

 

Gloster Javelin (12/1951, 12/1956)

 

 

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So did HAL make some Korean War era jets? Because the earliest I found was the HAL HF-24 Marut, a 1961 fighter and the first fighter ever built in India, designed by Kurt Tank. Pakistan only had licensed Spitfires, Sea Furies, Tempests and F-86F Sabres in their ranks.

 

Overall, I don't think it's even doable. It would just be a juxtaposition of random Russian and American aircraft and nothing else.


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I don't know yet if it is possible but I hope to find out.  I was surprised to discover the abundance of Hawker aircraft used by both.


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So, basically a British tech tree with a handful of French and American aircraft?

 

....Nah.



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View PostJ311yfish, on 09 July 2014 - 07:56 PM, said:

I don't know yet if it is possible but I hope to find out.  I was surprised to discover the abundance of Hawker aircraft used by both.

 

In order for it to actually be an Indo-Pakistani tree, there should be a good enough majority of either Indian or Pakistani planes. India is the one closest to getting their own aircraft due to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, but their first fighter was built in 1961, and it surpasses the tier 10 bracket and especially the timeline. Until you find a large enough amount of actual Indian or Pakistani aircraft that fit within our timeline, don't expect to find such a tree anytime soon. It's too bad though, as HAL is a rather solid company and I liked the Tejas despite the disappointing speed.


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J311yfish #16 Posted 09 July 2014 - 09:34 PM

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I am still very early into this, but it seems to me that there are 3 political entities that fall under the category of "India" for the timeline of the game, those are:

 

  1. British-ruled India until 1947

  2. Republic of India 1947+

  3. Islamic Republic of Pakistan 1947+

 

The Indian Air Force began as a component of the Royal Air Force in 1932.  I am not a historian, this is all just unverified information from Wikipedia.

 

So, until 1947 anyway, this is absolutely British development flown under a different flag, which happens to be composed primarily of Hawker ... which so far happens to be absent from the game.

 

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I didn't set out to make an Indian tech tree.  I actually came across it by chance while looking at the Folland Gnat for Finland.  

 

It may be that nothing comes of this exploration, other than a detailed examination of the Hawker line.  If that is the case, I don't consider it to be a lost effort.


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First flight dates of aircraft used in India (unverified):

 

British India continued until August 15 1947, at which time it was split into India and Pakistan.

 

This just means that most of the aircraft used in India were developed while it was still ruled by Britain.

 

That may not be the best metric, or even the most valid, but at this stage it is the easiest to come by.

 

Anyway, with all of this in mind I think that the best way to proceed is to change this thread to a detailed examination of the Hawker line, and then to account for an "Indian tree" at the end which should have a very strong resemblance.


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View PostHeh, on 09 July 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

So did HAL make some Korean War era jets? Because the earliest I found was the HAL HF-24 Marut, a 1961 fighter and the first fighter ever built in India, designed by Kurt Tank. Pakistan only had licensed Spitfires, Sea Furies, Tempests and F-86F Sabres in their ranks.

 

Overall, I don't think it's even doable. It would just be a juxtaposition of random Russian and American aircraft and nothing else.

 

So, kind of like WoTs Chinese tank tree?  It's doable, lol


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View PostMercsn, on 09 July 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

 

So, kind of like WoTs Chinese tank tree?  It's doable, lol

 

Except that HAL didn't start producing their own planes until past our cutoff date. At least the Chinese had a few designs of their own that were simply Soviet tanks upgraded with Chinese tech. HAL didn't create warplanes early enough, and they're the first aeronautical/aerospace company in India to make a warplane of their own. They didn't even modify foreign tech either.


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J311yfish #20 Posted 10 July 2014 - 05:15 AM

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Here is a collection of every Hawker line proposal ever made on this forum (as far as I know):

 

Hawker line proposals

 

Using these as a starting point, I intend to research the Hawker line in detail and will post findings here.

 

I don't know what that means yet for British India (or Australia, Canada, etc.) so figuring that out will instead be a sideline project.


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