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J311yfish #1 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:03 PM

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J311yfish #2 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:04 PM

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Tier I

 

Gloster Goldfinch​ (12/1927) -- Specification F.9/26 -- Henry P. Folland

 

 

 

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J311yfish #3 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:05 PM

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Tier II

 

Bristol Bulldog (05/1927, 01/1928+) -- Specification F.9/26, F.17/28 and 11.31 -- Frank Barnwell and L.G. Frise -- introduced 05/1929+

 

Gloster Gauntlet ( __/1933) -- Specification F.9/26, 24/33 -- Henry P. Folland -- (protracted) introduced ~05/1935+

 

Fairey Gordon (03/1931, 05/1934) -- Specification 18/30 and 14/33 -- ~160 built -- introduced ~1931  //

Fairey Seal (11/1931) -- Specification 12/29 and 24/32 -- 91 built -- introduced 12/1932+

 

Hawker Fury (03/1929) -- Specification 13/30 and 16/30 ​-- Sydney Camm -- introduced 1931+ // (see Tier II Alternates)

Hawker Nimrod​ (__/1930) -- Specification N.21/26, 16/30, 11/33 -- Sydney Camm -- introduced 1932+ // (see Tier II Alternates)

Hawker Demon (07/1932) -- Specification 15/30​ and 6/32 -- introduced 04/1933 -- Sydney Camm // Hawker Hart // Hawker Osprey

 

 

Handley Page Heyford (06/1930) -- Specification B.19/27, B.23/32 -- George Rudolph Volkert​ -- last heavy bomber biplane -- introduction 11/1933+

Boulton & Paul Overstrand (08/1933) -- Specification 29/33 and 23/34 -- John North -- 3 adapted + 24 built -- medium bomber biplane -- introduced 02/1934+

Vickers Type 207 (01/1933) -- Specification M.1/30 -- Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson -- biplane precursor of Wellesley

Vickers Type 253 (08/1934) -- Specification G.4/31 -- Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson -- biplane precursor of Wellesley

 

 

 


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Tier III

 

Bristol 133 (07/1934) -- private venture to Specification F.7/30 -- Frank Barnwell -- 1 built

 

Gloster Gladiator (09/1934) -- Specification F.7/30 -- Henry P. Folland​​ -- introduced 1937 //

Gloster Sea Gladiator -- introduced 12/1938+

 

Fairey Swordfish (04/1934) -- Specification S.15/33 and 38/34 -- Marcel Lobelle -- 2391 built (1699 by Blackburn) -- introduced 07/1936+

 

Blackburn Skua (02/1937) -- Specification O.27/34 and 25/36 -- G.E. Petty -- 2+190 built -- introduced 11/1938+

 

Fairey Hendon (11/1930) -- Specification B.19/27, B.20/24 -- D.L. Hollis Williams and P.A. Ralli -- 1+14 built -- 1st heavy bomber monoplane -- introduced 1936+

Vickers Wellesley (06/1935) -- Specification G.4/31, B.22/35 -- Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson -- 1+176 built -- long-range medium bomber -- introduced 03/1937+

 

 

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J311yfish #5 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:06 PM

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Tier IV

 

Bristol 146 (02/1938) -- Specification F.5/34 -- unknown​ -- 1 built

 

Hawker Hurricane Mk I (11/1935) -- Specification F.7/30, F.5/34, F.36/34 -- Sydney Camm​ -- introduced ~12/1937+

 

Fairey Albacore (12/1938) -- Specification M.7/36, O.8/36, 41/37 -- 800 built -- introduced 03/1940+

 

Blackburn Roc (12/1938) -- Specification O.30/35, O.15/37 -- G. E. Petty -- 136 built -- introduced 04/1939+

 

Bristol Blenheim F (09/1937) -- Specification 11/36 -- unknown -- (operational: Mk.IF 09/1938, Mk.IVF 04/1940, Mk.V 06/1942) -- introduced 09/1938+

 

Fairey Battle (03/1936) -- Specification P.27/32, P.25/35, P.32/36 -- Marcel Lobelle​ -- ~2185 built -- introduced 05/1937+

Armstrong Whitworth Whitley (03/1936) -- Specification B.3/34 -- John Lloyd​ -- medium night bomber 1939 -- priority production 05/1940 -- 1,814 built -- introduced 1937+

Vickers Wellington (06/1936) -- Specification B.9/32, 29/36 -- Barnes Wallis and Rex Pierson​ -- medium day bomber 1939 -- priority production 05/1940  -- 11,461 built​ -- introduced 10/1938+

Handley Page Hampden (06/1936) -- Specification B.9/32 -- G.R. Volkert -- medium day bomber -- 1,430 built​ -- introduced 09/1938+

 

 

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J311yfish #6 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:07 PM

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Tier V

 

Supermarine Spitfire I (03/1936) -- Specification F.7/34 -- Reginald J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith​ -- introduced 08/1938

 

Hawker Hurricane Mk II (06/1940) -- Specification F.7/30, F.5/34, F.36/34 -- Sydney Camm-- introduced 09/1940+ //

Hawker Sea Hurricane -- introduced 01/1941+

 

Fairey Barracuda I (12/1940) -- Specification S.24/37 -- Marcel Lobelle​ -- 2+2,600 built -- (delayed) Mk.I introduced 05/1942+

 

Boulton-Paul P.82 Defiant (08/1937) -- Specification F.9/35 -- John Dudley North​ -- 1,064 built​ -- introduced 12/1939+

 

Bristol Beaufighter (07/1939) -- Leslie Frise and Roy Fedden​ -- 5,564 built (UK) -- introduced 07/1940+

 

 

Short Stirling (05/1939) -- Specification B.12/36 -- four-engine heavy bomber -- 1,759 built -- introduced 08/1940+

Vickers Warwick (08/1939) -- Specification B.1/35 -- twin-engine heavy bomber -- 846 built​ -- (protracted) introduced 1942+

 

 

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Tier VI

 

Supermarine Spitfire V (02/20/1941) -- R.J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith​ -- introduced 02/1941 //

Supermarine Seafire -- introduced 01/1942+

 

Hawker Tornado (10/1939) -- Specification F.18/37 -- Sydney Camm

 

Hawker Typhoon (02/1940) -- Specification F.18/37 -- Sydney Camm​ -- 3,317 built​ -- introduced 09/1941+

 

Fairey Barracuda (12/1940) -- Specification S.24/37 -- Marcel Lobelle​ -- 2+2,600 built -- (delayed) Mk.II introduced 01/1943+

 

Fairey Fulmar (01/1940) -- Specification P.4/34, O.8/38 -- Marcel Lobelle​ -- 600 built​ -- introduced 06/1940+

 

De Havilland DH.98 Mosquito (11/1940) -- R.E. Bishop​ -- 7,781 built  -- introduced by 05/1942 //

De Havilland Sea Mosquito (tested 03/1944) -- introduced 11/1945+

 

Avro Manchester (07/1939) -- Specification P.13/36 -- twin-engine medium day/night bomber -- 202 built -- introduced 11/1940+

Avro Lancaster (01/1941) -- Roy Chadwick -- 7,373 built -- introduced 12/1941+

Handley Page Halifax (10/1939) -- Specification P.13/36 -- four-engine heavy bomber -- 6,176 built -- introduced 11/1940+

 

 

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J311yfish #8 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:08 PM

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Tier VII

 

Supermarine Spitfire IX  (~04/1942) -- R.J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith -- introduced 06/1942

 

Hawker Tempest (09/1942) -- Specification F.10/41 -- Sydney Camm​ -- 1,702 built -- introduced 04/1944+

 

Blackburn Firebrand (02/1942) -- Specification N.8/39, N.11/40 -- G.E. Petty​ -- 3+220 built​ -- introduced 09/1945+

 

Fairey Firefly (12/1941) -- Specification N.5/40 -- H.E. Chaplin​ -- 1,702 built​ -- introduced 10/1943+

 

De Havilland 103 Hornet (07/1944) -- Specification F.12/43 -- R.E. Bishop​ -- 383 built  //

De Havilland Sea Hornet (04/1945) -- Specification N.5/44 -- introduced 06/01/1947+

 

 

Avro Lincoln (06/1944) -- Specification B.14/43 -- Roy Chadwick​ -- 604 built​ -- heavy bomber -- to be introduced 05/1945+

 

 

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Tier VIII

 

Supermarine Spitfire XIV  (04/1944) -- R.J. Mitchell, continued by Joseph Smith

 

Hawker Sea Fury (09/1944+) -- Specification F.2/43 and N.22/43 -- Sydney Camm​ -- 864 built​ -- introduced 1947

 

Westland Wyvern (12/1946)-- Specification N.11/44 -- Edward Petter and John Digby​ -- 127 built​ -- (protracted) introduced 05/1953+

 

De Havilland DH.100 Vampire (09/1943) -- Specification E.6/41, N.40/46, F.3/47 -- R.E. Bishop-- 3,268 built  //

De Havilland Sea Vampire-- introduced 10/1948+

 

Gloster Meteor (03/1943) -- extensive development -- 3,947 built

 

Westland P.1056 (03/1944 design) -- W.E.W. Petter​ -- 0 built

 

 

Vickers Windsor (02/1944) -- Specification B.5/41, B.3/42 -- Barnes Wallis-- 3 prototypes built, production cancelled -- heavy bomber

 

 

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J311yfish #10 Posted 09 July 2014 - 06:09 PM

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Tier IX

 

Supermarine Attacker (07/1946) -- Specification E.10/44 and E.1/45 -- Joe Smith​ -- 3+182 built​ -- introduced 08/1951+

 

Hawker Sea Hawk (09/1947) -- Specification N.7/46 -- Sydney Camm​ -- 542 built​ -- introduced 03/1953+

 

De Havilland DH.112 Venom / Sea Venom (09/1949, 04/1951) -- R.E. Bishop​ -- 1,431 built

 

Gloster P.228 (1946) -- Specification F.44/46 -- Richard Walker​ -- 0 built

 

 

English Electric Canberra (05/1949) -- Specification B.3/45, B.5/47, B.22/48 -- W.E.W. Petter​ -- 900 built (UK) -- twin-engine medium bomber -- introduced 06/1954

Short Sperrin (08/1951) -- Specification B.14/46 -- C.P.T. Lipscomb -- 3 prototypes

 

 

Tier X

 

Supermarine Swift (12/1948) -- Specification E.1/46 -- Joe Smith​ -- 197 built -- introduced 02/1954+

 

Hawker Hunter (07/1951) -- Specification F.3/48 -- Sydney Camm​ -- 1,972 built​ -- introduced 1954+

 

De Havilland DH.110 Sea Vixen (09/1951) -- from Specification F.44/46 and N.40/46, F.4/48 and N.14/49 -- R.E. Bishop​ -- 145 built

 

Gloster Javelin (11/1951, 09/1955) -- Specification F.4/48 -- Richard Walker​ -- 435 built -- introduced 12/1955+

 

 

English Electric Canberra (05/1949) -- Specification B.3/45, B.5/47, B.22/48 -- W.E.W. Petter​ -- 900 built (UK) -- twin-engine medium bomber -- introduced 06/1954

Vickers Valiant (05/1951) -- Specification B.35/46 -- 107 built -- heavy bomber -- introduced 01/1955+

Avro Vulcan (08/1952)-- Specification B.35/46 -- 136 built -- heavy bomber -- introduced 05/1956+

Handley Page Victor (12/1952)-- Specification B.35/46 -- 86 built -- heavy bomber -- introduced 04/1958+

 

 

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So did HAL make some Korean War era jets? Because the earliest I found was the HAL HF-24 Marut, a 1961 fighter and the first fighter ever built in India, designed by Kurt Tank. Pakistan only had licensed Spitfires, Sea Furies, Tempests and F-86F Sabres in their ranks.

 

Overall, I don't think it's even doable. It would just be a juxtaposition of random Russian and American aircraft and nothing else.


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I don't know yet if it is possible but I hope to find out.  I was surprised to discover the abundance of Hawker aircraft used by both.


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So, basically a British tech tree with a handful of French and American aircraft?

 

....Nah.



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Very impressive. LOL. I don't know how involved they were in the war though.


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I don't know yet if it is possible but I hope to find out.  I was surprised to discover the abundance of Hawker aircraft used by both.

 

In order for it to actually be an Indo-Pakistani tree, there should be a good enough majority of either Indian or Pakistani planes. India is the one closest to getting their own aircraft due to Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, but their first fighter was built in 1961, and it surpasses the tier 10 bracket and especially the timeline. Until you find a large enough amount of actual Indian or Pakistani aircraft that fit within our timeline, don't expect to find such a tree anytime soon. It's too bad though, as HAL is a rather solid company and I liked the Tejas despite the disappointing speed.


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I am still very early into this, but it seems to me that there are 3 political entities that fall under the category of "India" for the timeline of the game, those are:

 

  1. British-ruled India until 1947

  2. Republic of India 1947+

  3. Islamic Republic of Pakistan 1947+

 

The Indian Air Force began as a component of the Royal Air Force in 1932.  I am not a historian, this is all just unverified information from Wikipedia.

 

So, until 1947 anyway, this is absolutely British development flown under a different flag, which happens to be composed primarily of Hawker ... which so far happens to be absent from the game.

 

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I didn't set out to make an Indian tech tree.  I actually came across it by chance while looking at the Folland Gnat for Finland.  

 

It may be that nothing comes of this exploration, other than a detailed examination of the Hawker line.  If that is the case, I don't consider it to be a lost effort.


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First flight dates of aircraft used in India (unverified):

 

British India continued until August 15 1947, at which time it was split into India and Pakistan.

 

This just means that most of the aircraft used in India were developed while it was still ruled by Britain.

 

That may not be the best metric, or even the most valid, but at this stage it is the easiest to come by.

 

Anyway, with all of this in mind I think that the best way to proceed is to change this thread to a detailed examination of the Hawker line, and then to account for an "Indian tree" at the end which should have a very strong resemblance.


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View PostHeh, on 09 July 2014 - 01:45 PM, said:

So did HAL make some Korean War era jets? Because the earliest I found was the HAL HF-24 Marut, a 1961 fighter and the first fighter ever built in India, designed by Kurt Tank. Pakistan only had licensed Spitfires, Sea Furies, Tempests and F-86F Sabres in their ranks.

 

Overall, I don't think it's even doable. It would just be a juxtaposition of random Russian and American aircraft and nothing else.

 

So, kind of like WoTs Chinese tank tree?  It's doable, lol


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View PostMercsn, on 09 July 2014 - 11:58 PM, said:

 

So, kind of like WoTs Chinese tank tree?  It's doable, lol

 

Except that HAL didn't start producing their own planes until past our cutoff date. At least the Chinese had a few designs of their own that were simply Soviet tanks upgraded with Chinese tech. HAL didn't create warplanes early enough, and they're the first aeronautical/aerospace company in India to make a warplane of their own. They didn't even modify foreign tech either.


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Here is a collection of every Hawker line proposal ever made on this forum (as far as I know):

 

Hawker line proposals

 

Using these as a starting point, I intend to research the Hawker line in detail and will post findings here.

 

I don't know what that means yet for British India (or Australia, Canada, etc.) so figuring that out will instead be a sideline project.


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