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SqU4D3Nn #1 Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:02 AM

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Okay,i'm new to this type of game, but from the start i can say that i love German bombers, but really didn't had much success with it. So I would like to ask some more experienced players than I am, how should I play GERMAN heavy bombers, what modules should I research first?

 

Thanks for help in advance.



Chuck_norris10 #2 Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:05 AM

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Go for the nuclear bombs!

Those things rock!

 

 

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1st off there is no actual bombers in the game, but rather Heavy Fighters which are dual-role being anti-plane and ground attack. There's several guides on HF here: All The Important Threads - Release Version!

 

 



Kermut #4 Posted 04 June 2014 - 02:44 AM

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Pro tip- if you are in a heavy fighter, don't attack ground targets unless you absolutely have to. Use your guns to kill enemy aircraft- you are much better designed to do that.

 

Not that I'm a pro, more a pet peeve/



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View PostKermut, on 03 June 2014 - 10:44 PM, said:

Pro tip- if you are in a heavy fighter, don't attack ground targets unless you absolutely have to. Use your guns to kill enemy aircraft- you are much better designed to do that.

 

Not that I'm a pro, more a pet peeve/

 Yes this seems to be a growing trend people using heavy FIGHTERS for killing ground targets. It is especially fun when they are killing all of the ones in front of your il-2 while the rest of the FIGHTERS are getting massacred without the bnz FIGHTERS. Its ok to bomb a target or to on you way to the fight but you are doing your team a great injustice by concentrating all of your firepower on ground targets. I also feel like this new mission that involves 500 ground targets is playing a role in these recent developments since you can get to the targets to kill them alot quicker in a heavy fighter. Perhaps people will again use them for their intended purpose after this mission passes. IMO  the USSR line all the way for ground attack. It can also be dual purpose taking out a few planes on your way to the ground targets. I have killed 6 planes in an il-2 be4 and 4 ground targets..XD gl with you decision.



Mercsn #6 Posted 04 June 2014 - 04:39 AM

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To be honest, the first German "heavy fighters" are REALLY bad at encouraging new players to play them as "bombers" instead of as "heavy fighters".

 

Squ4dn, basically, as mentioned this game doesn't really have bombers.  The closest thing would be the Russian (Ground) Attack aircraft which are primarily designed to attack ground targets.  They have more hitpoints, more armor (a stat not listed on the hangar page) and generally more ability to attack and kill ground targets than other craft, including heavy fighters.

 

If you primarily want to attack ground targets, try out the Tsh-1 and Tsh-2, they're a lot slower than the Ao192 or Fw57, but they're amazing at killing ground targets (and other planes if an enemy flies in front of you -ie, head-on).  Zen_Reaper is a specialist in the Tsh-2.  Send him a PM or add him to your contacts in game and ask him how to use these low tier GA.

 

If you want to keep playing the German heavies, this guide is a great starter on "how to":  Guide to Successful Heavy Fighter Operation


Edited by Mercsn, 04 June 2014 - 04:41 AM.

All the Important Thread Links (go here for answers!) Might be outdated!

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The below was said to me (Mercsn), from a concerned player:

Edited, on 12 March - 2:01PM , said:

and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

Mercsn #7 Posted 04 June 2014 - 04:46 AM

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View Postobamaphone, on 03 June 2014 - 10:14 PM, said:

 Yes this seems to be a growing trend people using heavy FIGHTERS for killing ground targets. It is especially fun when they are killing all of the ones in front of your il-2 while the rest of the FIGHTERS are getting massacred without the bnz FIGHTERS. Its ok to bomb a target or to on you way to the fight but you are doing your team a great injustice by concentrating all of your firepower on ground targets. I also feel like this new mission that involves 500 ground targets is playing a role in these recent developments since you can get to the targets to kill them alot quicker in a heavy fighter. Perhaps people will again use them for their intended purpose after this mission passes. IMO  the USSR line all the way for ground attack. It can also be dual purpose taking out a few planes on your way to the ground targets. I have killed 6 planes in an il-2 be4 and 4 ground targets..XD gl with you decision.

 

In war thunder, the "other game", the Me110, is a super duper low tier ground attack aircraft.  Further, "the other" game, does a better job of allowing players to choose how to use their aircraft based on its flight characteristics instead of WoWP's draconian role/ altitude role setup.  So, a player new to WoWP, but who's played virtually any other WWII flight game, might not realize how they have to use a given aircraft in THIS game.

 

But, as gameplay in WoWP goes, I entirely agree that anything other than GA attacking GT (ground targets) unless absolutely needed to stop the clock is bad for the team.  Further, most maps don't really offer any "targets on the way to the fight" simply because by the time a player is over enemy GTs, they have run into enemy fighters.  Lining up for a bomb run or a strafe run is just flying straight and making an easy target for an enemy.

 

Attacking ground targets will get most players killed very quickly unless they are in a GA....then it will take slightly longer and the GA are slower so the fighters are busy by the time the GA show up.


All the Important Thread Links (go here for answers!) Might be outdated!

All-in-one thread with 2.0 related guide links.

 

The below was said to me (Mercsn), from a concerned player:

Edited, on 12 March - 2:01PM , said:

and PS...play more, forum less.  Your opinion might be more credible.

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Other than the Fw-57 no bombers and definitely no heavy bombers.  I saw a previous poster mention Russian Ground Attack so I wont bother talking about that.  If you want to hunt ground targets, that would be your best bet.  On the other hand if you truly like the heavy fighter line, get "bomber" out of your head and instead think Boom and Zoom.  There are some very good education threads dedicated to heavy fighter tactics and energy fighting.  It is a great line to work.  Knowing the BnZ tactics will come in handy for you both how to attack and how to defend.  Good luck to you, Squad and welcome to Warplanes.

Zen_Reaper #9 Posted 04 June 2014 - 09:04 AM

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Welcome to Warplanes!

 

If you really, really, really, insist...

...on playing a German line Bomber...

Work your way up to Tier 3 and get the FW 57.

 

That's the closest thing we have to a "Bomber".

And it works quite well as a Bomber.

AND... AND... AND... I say... it's pretty darn fun to Fight with too.

 

You need to learn how to Fight with it though... or you'll totally suck.

Any idiot can fly to the stratosphere, dive down on the Enemy HQ and dump a load of bombs.

Not much skill involved there.

It is after you dump your payload that the plane becomes fun.

 

After you shed the weight and maneuverability penalties... by dropping all of your bombs...

...you become a Heavy Fighter.

 

Good times.

 

Now... that's your Bomber Option... with the caveat that you must also learn and use it as a Fighter too.

Else... you'll be shunned and the Easter Bunny shall not bring you chocolate.

 

Now... if you are not married to the idea of a "German" plane...

...and your real interest is simply blowing up a lot of stuff...

 

Get into the Russian Line.

Get the TSH-2... and practice with that for a few hundred battles.

 

Keep progressing up that line... TSh-2... TSh-3... BSh-2... IL-2... etc, etc, etc.

 

And join the Brotherhood of Ground Pounders!

 

There are no "bombers" in this game.

The Tier 3 - FW 57 is as close as you're going to get.

It's a fun plane. I like it. It's neat, and unique.

 

BUT... ...it is only a Bomber for the first 200 seconds of the Battle.

After that, you need to know how to Fight with it.

 

As for advice on how to begin... how to operate the TSh-2 successfully...

KILL EVERYTHING

KILL Ground Targets

KILL Aircrafts

KILL it ALL

 

...kill...Kill...KILL KILL KILL.

 

That's how the TSh-2 works.

 

 - Zen

 

 


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losttwo #10 Posted 04 June 2014 - 10:14 AM

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As most have already stated there are no bombers in this game so please get that word out of your head and keep it out of the chat...yeah ok a little bossier there.

The FW - 57 is the closest thing to a "  bomber " you will find in this game other than the GA's.

The best way I found to play the FW- 57 is to upgrade engines and body first then the guns. Use The High Explosive ammo.

At the beginning of the match make a turn to go along the backside of the friendlies to gain altitude.

Point your plane in about a 20 degree nose up, don't use your boost you will need it later. although you can tap your boost to help maintain speed.

Fly the left or right flank of your team. Don't worry there will be plenty of enemy along the way.

This will also enable you to take out any high altitude fighters as you fly to the nearest and closest ground target.

Plan your bombing run to take out the first 6 targets you see FORGET ABOUT ENEMY HQ. Or just save 2 bombs for an opportunity to take it out.

The goal of the FW-57 is to kill 4 fighters and 3 ground targets to get a Destroyer Medal, so plan accordingly.

Believe me there is plenty of fighters along the way as well as after you drop your bombs.

good luck and good hunting



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Note: The actual FW 57 never saw service. Nevertheless, I love it. Flying one is like comfort food, after being stomped on at Tier 5 and above.

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View PostRalph_Vargr, on 05 June 2014 - 02:48 AM, said:

Note: The actual FW 57 never saw service. Nevertheless, I love it. Flying one is like comfort food, after being stomped on at Tier 5 and above.


It sounds like you've found your calling. 



vamrat #13 Posted 12 June 2014 - 08:18 PM

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I have had a hard time trying to make the BF110 work as well.  I played the earlier ones as bombers until halfway through the T4 BF110 I read the heavy fighter guides and started BnZ Heavy Fighter work.  I love these planes but am thinking I might be doomed to life as a turn fighter - I tend to do much better in the Zeroes and Yaks. 

 

I know in theory how to play the 110 - fly high(ish), keep high speed, pick your targets from a distance, and get the duck out of fodge afterwards.  But I have a nasty tendency to get someone unshakable on my tail and that's all she wrote.  If I hold down the throttle they still catch me, and if I climb I've had them follow me.  Sometimes I just want to land my 110 in Scotland and sue for peace...

 

Not a gripe, just a matter of I really want to masochistically play these but haven't figured it out, so no strategy guides from me!



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View PostMercsn, on 04 June 2014 - 12:39 PM, said:

To be honest, the first German "heavy fighters" are REALLY bad at encouraging new players to play them as "bombers" instead of as "heavy fighters".

 

Squ4dn, basically, as mentioned this game doesn't really have bombers.  The closest thing would be the Russian (Ground) Attack aircraft which are primarily designed to attack ground targets.  They have more hitpoints, more armor (a stat not listed on the hangar page) and generally more ability to attack and kill ground targets than other craft, including heavy fighters.

 

If you primarily want to attack ground targets, try out the Tsh-1 and Tsh-2, they're a lot slower than the Ao192 or Fw57, but they're amazing at killing ground targets (and other planes if an enemy flies in front of you -ie, head-on).  Zen_Reaper is a specialist in the Tsh-2.  Send him a PM or add him to your contacts in game and ask him how to use these low tier GA.

 

If you want to keep playing the German heavies, this guide is a great starter on "how to":  Guide to Successful Heavy Fighter Operation


I'm very competent with a Tsh-2


 

If you see me flying at you in a Tsh-2, make sure your my ally, or prepare for a face-full of incendiary bullets.


Ralph_Vargr #15 Posted 14 June 2014 - 06:08 PM

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View PostChuck_norris10, on 03 June 2014 - 09:05 PM, said:

Go for the nuclear bombs!

Those things rock!

 

 

JK,Russians my line,the il series is awesome.

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View PostToggle, on 04 June 2014 - 11:02 PM, said:


It sounds like you've found your calling. 

Indeed, and I am the happier for it. No sarcasm.






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