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Raindrops #101 Posted 07 April 2015 - 03:41 PM

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Hah, yeah... I get about heated about French tech these days. Fell in love with their tanks at first sight, and have fought prejudice ever since. Heh has it right though - their organization was often at fault. They went down in WWII due to investing in a static defensive line that the Germans simply went around, pushing them to the coast in as little as a month. Their tech was arguably the best at the start of the war, and they never did simply give up, but they tried to fight WWI again, which didn't work during the blitz.

Same kind of thing ended Napoleon's plans in Russia - he went in planning on grand combat on the lines, but the Russians simply pulled out and let him starve. It's not that his army was bad, but his decisions to press into the winter were.


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View PostRaindrops, on 07 April 2015 - 03:41 PM, said:

Hah, yeah... I get about heated about French tech these days. Fell in love with their tanks at first sight, and have fought prejudice ever since. Heh has it right though - their organization was often at fault. They went down in WWII due to investing in a static defensive line that the Germans simply went around, pushing them to the coast in as little as a month. Their tech was arguably the best at the start of the war, and they never did simply give up, but they tried to fight WWI again, which didn't work during the blitz.

 

That and I will never forgive their one man turret layout. Since the commander is also the loader on top of being the gunner, he would have to rotate his head, NOT LOOKING AROUND HIM, then load the gun, then look down the sights, then fire. It is disgusting. The idea was that "but tanks don't do mobile warfare", while this was exactly what Germany does with theirs.

 

Pulling back on planes, I'm not so sure. Energy tactics weren't new to the French. The SPAD series of biplanes, one of their most prized planes of WWI, was famous for BnZ rather than agility. So it's not by getting slapped through BnZ. Looking at the Dewoitine D.520, it seems to be the stability of the aircraft that let it down against the Bf 109s. The latter weren't exactly the best at low speed either, but they were stable enough. From what I've heard, the D.520 was a somewhat unstable design for some reason, which led it to being mediocre in low energy states, and it was in very low numbers. The MS.406 was of course flat out inferior to Emils, though it's more comparable to the Bf 109B, which isn't really common. Emils were a large portion of the fighters deployed last time I checked.


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First Public Test of Update 1.8

 Premium and Gift Aircraft Available for Developers and Supertesters for Testing Purposes Only:

  • Lockheed XP-58 Chain Lightning — U.S. Tier VIII Heavy Fighter;
  • Supermarine Seafang F.32 — British Tier VIII Multirole Fighter;
  • SNCAC NC 1070 — French Tier VIII Attack Aircraft;
  • Ilyushin IL-10M — Chinese Tier VIII Attack Aircraft.

 


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Japanese aircraft used by the French in southeast Asia (French Indochina)

 


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Could a Polish tech tree be considered a subsidiary of France (as Australia to United Kingdom)?

 

Compelling evidence:

-- began with French aircraft (SPAD, Wibault, more)

-- organized around French air power theory (Douhet)

-- relied on French engines (Gnome-Rhone, Hispano-Suiza)

-- Polish pilots in exile flew the Caudron C.714 light fighter

-- major designer educated in France (Jakimiuk) returns to France to design the SNCASE SE.5000 Baroudeur light fighter (1953).

-- major designers also participated in Vampire/Venom/Vixen development in Canada and U.K, which were adapted by France as Mistral/Aquilon.


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Minor update based on information in the developer blog (Supertest Digest #3):

 

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SNCAC NC 1070 — France, Tier VIII attack aircraft

“An attack aircraft that’s unusually easy to fly and capable to deal a lot of damage both to ground targets and aircraft. Its main feature is its great turret. Sometimes when the NC 1070 cannot turn and attack with its main armament it is easier to leave an enemy at your six and let the turret deal with him”.

“An attack aircraft that relies primarily on bombs. It is absolutely unique for its tier”.

“I like attack aircraft, and this one is very interesting to me. NC 1070 might be a bit hard to master, but it has a lot of strong suits”.

 

 ...

 

All these premium and gift machines will become available very soon. In the meantime the Supertest is starting work on new premiums and gift warplanes. This time we get to try out the French CR 714 Tier IV fighter and SPAD 510 Tier II biplane, as well as the Soviet Tier V I-180 fighter. We’ll have some news on them next time.

That’s all for today. Hope you like these sneak peeks of future warbirds. See you soon!

 

 

If these aircraft are to be premium gift planes, what are the implications for the overall tree?  Time will tell.

 

 

 

 

 


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A note on aircraft armament in France:

 

"Like the British, the French had little time for HMGs, jumping straight from RCMGs to cannon.  Hotchkiss did produce a belt-fed aircraft version of their 13.2mm HMG which was capable of 600 rpm, but its use is uncertain.  Like the Germans, the French first experimented with large and powerful cannon, among them the 25mm Hotchkiss, a gas-operated gun weighing 70kg but initially firing at only 180 rpm from a ten-round clip.  By the late 1930s the performance had improved to 300 rpm from a thirty-five-round magazine and a visiting US delegation showed some interest, but the French claimed that it was secret and refused to sell.  The first French cannon to see service, however, were versions of the Oerlikon FFS already described, adapted for engine mountain and made by Hispano-Suiza as the Types 7 and 9.  Early inline-engined aircraft such as the Dewoitine D.501/510 and Morane-Saulnier MS405 carried one of these together with a pair of RCMGs."  (Williams, 178)

 

"The low rate of fire of the Oerlikon guns (around 400 rpm) was considered unsatisfactory, and as a result a much better weapon emerged (designed by a Swiss, Marc Birkigt), the famous 20mm Hispano-Suiza HS 404.  This was used in the Dewoitine D.520 and MS.406, but again only one engine-mounted cannon was fitted, supplemented by four or two RCMGs respectively.  It appeared that Birkigt initially tried mounting the gun rigidly as had been achieved with the low-recoiling HS 7 and 9.  However, the HS 404's action resulted in a much sharper recoil blow so a recoiling mounting had to be devised, complicating the ammunition feed from the drum, which needed to remain stationary as its size and weight precluded its being rattled to and fro ten times per second." (Williams, 178)

 

"The French were rightly proud of the HS 404 and were intending to rely increasingly on it had they remained in the war.  Some versions of the radial-engined Bloch MB-152 and the MB-155 carried two wing-mounted cannon.  It was even fitted as a defensive weapon in bombers such as the Farman (Centre) NC 223 and Liore-et-Oliver LeO 451.  While initial French interest was focused on a version firing a powerful 23x122 round (the HS 406), only the 20mm saw service.  The gun even saw German service.  Some versions of the Do 24, built on captured Dutch production lines, were equipped with the HS 404 in the dorsal cupola, and the gun was also used as an AA weapon."  (Williams, 178)

 

"Oerlikon were not the only Swiss company producing aircraft cannon.  The Swiss adopted a version of the French MS406 fighter as the D-3800 series but fitted their own engine-mounted cannon, the recoil-operated FMK38, designed around a high-velocity 20x139 cartridge which was the precursor of the current Oerlikon KAD round.  Rather bizarrely, the gun was also fitted to the C-35 biplane, thus combining an ancient aircraft concept with one of the most powerful 20mm aircraft guns ever to see service."  (Williams, 178-179)

 

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Rapid Fire - The Development of Automatic Cannon, Heavy Machine Guns and their Ammunition for Armies, Navies and Air Forces, by Anthony G. Williams (2000 Airlife):


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There is a new 'secret projects' book of post-WWII French fighters -- to be released 09/15/2016.  It is labeled as the first in a series.

 


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SPAD S.510 premium reward for anniversary event

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I thought it would be interesting to look at the paint shop emblems available for the SPAD S.510 in order to see what it might reveal about the forthcoming French aircraft.  Here is the result of that --

 

Disclaimer

Emblems do not always correspond to aircraft implemented in game (example: current IJN line has had IJA emblems for at least 2 years), but it could be interesting to look at the implications anyway, because the release of artwork and models for the purpose of progression could be a coordinated effort, right?

 

20 French emblems:

-- 3 pertain to regions of France -- Auxey-Duresses and Chablis, which are regions of Burgundy, and Bourgognes (Burgundy) itself.

-- 7 are easily identifiable -- they were used on the Curtiss Hawk 75A2, Curtiss P-40F-5, Breguet 693, Bloch MB.152, Potez 631, Dassault Ouragan, Blériot-SPAD S.510

-- 10 are not easily identifiable -- work in progress

 

11 -- "Madkot" -- Curtiss P-40F-5 Warhawk -- Tier V/VI

19 -- may be related to heraldry of Burgundy region (Blanche of Burgundy)

 

Implications

 

Given that the leaked IJA line of aircraft is more "operational" than "developmental", it might be time to fresh look at the French tree with that in mind.


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View PostJ311yfish, on 26 August 2016 - 07:17 PM, said:

I thought it would be interesting to look at the paint shop emblems available for the SPAD S.510 in order to see what it might reveal about the forthcoming French aircraft.  Here is the result of that --

 

Disclaimer

Emblems do not always correspond to aircraft implemented in game (example: current IJN line has had IJA emblems for at least 2 years), but it could be interesting to look at the implications anyway, because the release of artwork and models for the purpose of progression could be a coordinated effort, right?

 

20 French emblems:

-- 3 pertain to regions of France -- Auxey-Duresses and Chablis, which are regions of Burgundy, and Bourgognes (Burgundy) itself.

-- 7 are easily identifiable -- they were used on the Curtiss Hawk 75A2, Curtiss P-40F-5, Breguet 693, Bloch MB.152, Potez 631, Dassault Ouragan, Blériot-SPAD S.510

-- 10 are not easily identifiable -- work in progress

 

11 -- "Madkot" -- Curtiss P-40F-5 Warhawk -- Tier V/VI

19 -- may be related to heraldry of Burgundy region (Blanche of Burgundy)

 

Implications

 

Given that the leaked IJA line of aircraft is more "operational" than "developmental", it might be time to fresh look at the French tree with that in mind.

 

 

I googled some of the French planes. That Grognard is one strange looking plane. Thanks for the interesting post. 



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Production values in yellow.

 

This just provides a quick illustration of French production for comparison to Italy.


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Nationalized Industry

 


 

Independent Industry

AIR -- Societe Cooperative d'Etudes et Productions Aeronautiques

AMIOT (S.E.C.M.) -- Societe d'Emboutissage et de Constructions Mecaniques

Bleriot -- Bleriot-Aeronautique -- "[Nationalized 1937, but] the Bleriot Company has ... retained its technical organization, which continues to operate as a private establishement." (Jane's 1938, 121c)

Breguet -- Societe Anonym des Aterliers d'Aviation Louis Breguet -- "...certain of the Breguet factories have been nationalized, but the Breguet Company is maintaining its independence and will, in future, concentrate on the design and construction of prototypes." (Jane's 1938, 121c)

Caudron -- Societe Anonyme des Avions Caudron

[more minor companies]

Morane-Saulnier -- [presumably remained as a private company until acquired by a resurgent Potez in 1962, S.O.C.A.T.A. in 1966, and ultimately Aerospatiale.] 

Mureaux -- "The Government took over the works at Les Mureaux in [03/1937] ... but allowed the company to retain its Boulogne works and the various Mureaux prototypes.  The company did not see fit to processed with the development of these prototypes without the possibility of obtaining production orders and it thereupon closed down all its technical establishments." (Jane's 1938, 130c)

 

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Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1938, compiled and edited by C.G. Grey and Leonard Bridgman (12/1938)

Wikipedia (everything after 1938)


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Update 1.9.7

 

Update 1.9.7

 Please note: In order to deploy Update1.9.7, the servers will undergo maintenance on November 10 from 00:00 PT (03:00 ET) - 04:00 PT (07:00 ET)

It's time for another update! We're adding two new French Premium warbirds, a special event, and new gift aircraft!  Check out the overview or jump ahead to the full update notes for details on all the new content!

Highlights

New Premium Aircraft

The French nation adds a couple birds to their collection:

  • Delanne 10C2 - Tier V Fighter
  • SNCASE SE 100 - Tier V Heavy Fighter

New Special Event!

November marks the third anniversary of World of Warplanes hitting the heights, and we've got a great set of missions just for you! Keep your eyes peeled for more information about "Three Years Airborne" we can tell you now that the rewards include:

  • A Grand Prize
  • Special Emblems
  • Consumables
  • Equipment
  • Credits
  • And more...

New Gift Planes

A selection of new gift planes are being added:

  • Kocherigin Yatsenko CI-6i - Tier III Soviet Fighter
  • Arsenal VB 10 - Tier VII French Heavy Fighter
  • Bell P-39N-1 Airacobra - Tier VI US Fighter

 

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Carbonel has an extensive bibliography in Book 1 that includes the Docavia series (written in French).  When I started working on this project it became clear that not having the Docavia series as a reference would prove to be a major obstacle.  Now that Carbonel has brought the information to English, and in a more compact form, it might be possible to make progress towards an accurate and seamless tech tree for France (or recreate it, assuming it already exists, as choice of premiums might indicate).  A great challenge that still remains, however, is the notion of an alternate timeline, as if aircraft development were allowed to flourish without or despite occupation.
 
What follows will be some quick notes from the book that might help to make inroads obvious.
 
The first jet engines
 
The last propeller fighters
--> several heavy fighter projects identified
--> Arsenal VG 60 verified
 
The first jet fighters
--> many jet projects not previously identified
 
Rocket Fighters
--> many rocket projects not previously identified
 
The Ramjet Fighters
--> Leduc 011, 020, 021 ramjet fighters previously not identified
--> Arsenal VG 93 fighter with wingtip ramjets verified
 
Carrier-Borne Fighters

 

Light Strike Fighters for NATO -- 1953 call for proposals

 


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Dewoitine D.551

-- developed from D.520

-- a French group is reconstructing a D.551 and plans to fly it in 2018!

 

 

Dewoitine D.600
-- developed from D.551
-- the book above details the Hispano-Suiza HS-50 (also known as D.600) developed by Dewoitine in Spain as a continuation from the D.551​
-- various websites (1, 2), presumably using the book as a source, claim the engine for the HS-50 (D.600) was to be Hispano-Suiza 12Z; the same engine is in-game for the Arsenal VB 10 (though coupled), and has been designated a Tier VII engine; the D.600 is therefore a previously unidentified Tier VII candidate to carry the D.520 line further
-- the SNCASE SE.520Z was also derived from  the D.520, and meant to use the same engine; however, whether Dewoitine was involved with that, or both projects, is another point of inquiry.
 
 
Context

If even just a single fighter line is to be composed for France, perhaps it could look like this:

Tier Aircraft Engine Speed Armament
I

Nieuport-Delage 62

[ref: Type 91]

Hispano-Suiza 12Md 500hp

+ Szydlowski-Planiol supercharger (12Mdsh)

279 km/h @ 4000m 2x7.7mm Vickers (F)​
II

Dewoitine D.500

Hispano-Suiza 12Xcrs (HS 76) 610hp

[ref: Bleriot-SPAD S.510]

315 km/h @ SL

334 km/h @ 2000m

367 km/h @ 5000m

2x7.5mm (W)

1x20mm H-S S7 (E)

III

Dewoitine D.510

Hispano-Suiza 12Ycrs (HS 77) 775hp; 860hp @ 4000m

[ref: Fairey Fantome]

402 km/h @ 5000m

2x7.5mm (W)

1x20mm (E)

[ref: Fairey Fantome]

IV

Morane-Saulnier MS.406

Hispano-Suiza 12Y31 860hp

[ref: Arsenal-Delanne AD 10C2]

486 km/h @ 5000m

2x7.5mm MAC 1934 (W)

1x20mm H-S S9 (E)

[ref: Fairey Fantome]

V

Dewoitine D.520

Hispano-Suiza 12Y45

+ Szydlowski supercharger 935hp

[ref: Yak-1, LaGG-3]

425 km/h @SL

534 km/h @ 5500m

4x7.5mm MAC 34 M39 (W)

1x20mm HS 404 (E)

[ref: Beaufighter, Mosquito]

VI

Dewoitine D.551

Hispano-Suiza 12Y-51 1300hp

[ref: Yak-1M]

661 km/h @ 6000m

702 km/h @ ____m

4x7.5mm (W)

1x7.5mm (N)

VII

Dewoitine D.600 (Hispano-Suiza HS-50) 

 

  or SNCASE SE.520Z

Hispano-Suiza 12Z

[ref: Arsenal VB 10]

 

 

4x7.5mm (W)

1x20mm (E)

[ref: Meteor F.1]

VIII

SNCASE SE.580

 

 

  or Bugatti 110P

Hispano-Suiza 24Z 2500hp w/ 2 contra-rotating props

 

 

2xBugatti Type 50B 450hp

600 km/h @ SL est.

750 km/h @ 9400m est

 

 

 
IX

Dassault MD.450 Ouragan

Rolls-Royce Nene 104B 2300kgp      5070 lb st

[ref: Supermarine Attacker]

~930 km/h @ SL
~810 km/h @ 12000m

4x20mm HS 404

16 Matra T-10 rockets

[ref: Supermarine Attacker]

X

Dassault MD.452 Mystere (30-degree swept wing)

Hispano-Suiza Tay 250

[ref: Supermarine Attacker, Supermarine Swift]

   

 


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