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J311yfish #1 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:03 PM

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J311yfish #2 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:03 PM

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Tier I

 

Nieuport-Delage 62 (01/1928) -- Fighter (sesquiplane) -- Gustave Delage and Robert Duhamel -- 730+ built -- [1,880 kg] -- [ref: Type-91 / details]

 

Morane-Saulnier MS.225 (__/1932) -- interim Fighter (parasol) -- ~93 built -- 1x20mm [1933] -- [1,590 kg] -- entered service 1933-1934 // phased out 1938

 

 

Tier I alternates - prototypes and projects


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J311yfish #3 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:04 PM

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Tier II

 

Blériot-SPAD S.510 (01/1933) -- [Premium] -- Fighter (biplane) -- Andre Herbemont -- 61 built -- [1,650 kg] -- entered service early 1936

 

 

Dewoitine D.500/501 (06/1932, 11/1934) -- Fighter (low-wing) -- Émile Dewoitine -- 259 built​ -- [ref: XP-31 (07/1932), Ar 80 (1935) // P-26 (03/1932),  Ba.27M (1933)] -- 1x20mm [1934] -- [1,787 kg] -- entered service 05/1935

 

Dewoitine D.370/371 (10/1931, 02/1934) -- Fighter (parasol) -- Émile Dewoitine -- 87 total built -- 2x20mm [1934] --- [1,884 kg] -- D.371 all delivered by 12/1935 -- D.373/376 entered service 1938

 

Nieuport-Delage 125 (11/1932, 06/1934) --- Fighter (parasol) -- Albert Mary -- 1 built -- 1x20mm [1934] -- [1,866 kg] -- eclipsed by D.510

 

Loire 46 C1 (10/1932, 02/1933, 09/1934, 02/1936) -- Fighter (gull-wing) -- 63 built -- 2x20mm [1934] -- [2,100 kg max] -- entered service 08/1936; all delivered by 07/1937

 

 

Tier II alternates -- prototypes and projects


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J311yfish #4 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:05 PM

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Tier III

 

Dewoitine D.510 (08/1934) -- Fighter -- Émile Dewoitine -- 381 built (88 for France) -- 1x20mm [1934] -- [1,929 kg] -- entered service 1937 -- [ref: Ar 80 (spring 1935), Fw 159 (1935)]

 

Dewoitine D.513 (01/1936) -- fighter -- Émile Dewoitine -- 2 built -- [2,446 kg] -- lost to MS.405

 

Morane-Saulnier MS.405​ (08/1935) -- Fighter -- Rene Gauthier​ -- 16 built -- [2,440 kg] -- operational testing 05/1938

 

Nieuport 160 (10/1935) -- further developed as LN 161; favored but lost to MS.405 due to delay; continued as CAO.200

 

 

Tier III Alternates -- prototypes, projects, imports


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J311yfish #5 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:05 PM

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Tier IV

 

Fairey Fantôme (06/1935) -- [Premium (U.K.)] -- Fighter (biplane) -- Marcel Lobelle -- 4 built -- [2,060 kg]

 

Caudron C.714 (07/1936, 07/1938) -- [Premium] -- Fighter -- Marcel Riffard -- 98 built -- [1,880 kg] --  entered service early 1940; all delivered by 02/1940

 

 

 

Morane-Saulnier MS.406 (05/1938+, 01/1939) -- Fighter -- Rene Gauthier -- 1079 built -- [2,426 kg] -- [ref: Mörkö-Moraani] -- entered service 12/1938+

 

Bloch MB.150/151 (07/1936, 09/1937, 08/1938) -- Fighter -- Maurice Roussel​ -- 140 built -- lost to MS.405; continued as MB.151 -- only 1 in service by 04/1939 

 

Loire-Nieuport LN 161 (10/1935, 03/1936, 03/1938) -- fighter -- Mary and Dieudonné -- 2 built -- [2,278 kg] -- lost to MS.405; continued as CAO.200

 

Loire 250 (09/1935) -- fighter -- ~1 built -- [2,200 kg] -- lost to MS.405

 

Mureaux 190 (07/1936) -- lightweight interceptor -- Brunet, Lemaitre, Hubert -- [1,290 kg] -- lost to MS.405; continued as Potez 230

 

Blériot-SPAD S.710 (04/1937) -- Fighter (biplane) -- Andre Herbemont​ -- 1 built -- lost to MS.405; abandoned; butterfly tail appears again in Bugatti 100

 

 

Tier IV alternates -- prototypes, projects, imports


Edited by J311yfish, 27 May 2018 - 06:48 PM.

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J311yfish #6 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:06 PM

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Tier V

 

Arsenal-Delanne AD 10C2 (10/1941) -- [Premium] -- Fighter -- [2,880 kg]

 

SNCASE SE.100 (03/1939) -- [Premium] -- Heavy Fighter -- P.E. Mercier and Jacques Lecarme -- ~2 built -- [7,500 kg]

 

 

 

Dewoitine D.520 (10/1938, 11/1939) -- Fighter -- Emile Dewoitine, Robert Castello, Jacques Henrat -- 910 built -- [2,780 kg] -- entered service ~11/1939; only 36 delivered by 05/1940

 

Arsenal VG-33 (10/1938, 05/1939) -- lightweight interceptor-fighter -- Vernisse & Jean Galtier -- 49 built -- [2,656 kg] -- 19 delivered by 06/1940

 

Bloch MB.152 (12/1938) -- fighter -- ~482 built -- [2,800 kg max] -- entered service 04/1939+; ~100 operational by 01/1940

 

Bloch MB.155 (12/1939) -- fighter -- M. Fandeux​ -- 29 built -- [2,900 kg max] -- intended to enter service 06/1940

 

 

Tier V alternates -- prototypes, projects, imports


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J311yfish #7 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:06 PM

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Tier VI

 

Dewoitine D.551 (spring 1940) -- Fighter -- 3+ built

 

Arsenal VG-39bis (05/1940) -- interceptor-fighter -- ~1 built; production planned

 

 

Tier VI alternates -- prototypes, projects, imports


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J311yfish #8 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:07 PM

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Tier VII

 

Arsenal VB-10 (07/1945) -- [Premium] -- Heavy Fighter​ -- Michael Vernisse and M. Badie -- ~4 built -- [8,860 kg]

 

 

 

Dewoitine D.520Z / SNCASE SE.520Z (spring 1940, 02/1943) -- fighter -- 1/1 built

 

Midi M.520T (__/19__) -- fighter -- development of D.520 continued in secret

 

Dewoitine D.600 ​​(__/19__) -- fighter -- Emile Dewoitine​ -- development of D.551 continued abroad

 

Bloch MB.157 (03/1942) -- Fighter -- Lucien Servanty​ -- 1 built -- [3,250 kg]

 


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J311yfish #9 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:08 PM

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Tier VIII

 

SNCAC NC.1070 (05/1947) -- [Premium] -- Attack -- 1 built -- [10,700kg]

 

 

Bugatti 110P (design began ~1939) -- light fighter -- Louis de Monge -- development continued in secret during German occupation of France

 

SNCASE SE.580/582 (10/1943++) -- Robert Castello and Jacques Henrat -- 2 prototypes ordered 1944; planned production as of 1945

 

 

 

SNCASO SO.6000 Triton (11/1946) -- Lucien Servanty -- first French jet to fly

 

Arsenal VG-70 (06/1947) -- Jean Galtier -- high-speed research aircraft

 

Pulquí I (Arrow) (08/1947) -- Emile Dewoitine in Argentina -- [5,550 kg]

 

SNCASO SO.8000 Narval (04/1949) -- carrier-borne strike -- Dupuy​ -- 2 built -- [6,606 kg]

 

SNCASE SE.532/535 Mistral (04/1951, 12/1951) -- French development of De Havilland Vampire -- ~428 built -- [6,100 kg] -- delivered 12/1951-03/1954

 

SNCASE SE.201 Aquilon (10/1952) -- development of de Havilland Sea Venom Mk. 20 -- 40 built -- [5,500 kg] -- adopted 1951; entered service 1952+

 

 

Tier VIII engines -- see here

Tier VIII alternates -- prototypes, projects, imports


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J311yfish #10 Posted 14 May 2014 - 11:08 PM

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Tier IX:

 

SNCASO SO.6020 Espadon (Swordfish) (11/1948) -- interceptor-fighter -- Lucien Servanty -- ~4 built -- [7,454 kg]

 

Dassault MD.450 Ouragan (Hurricane) (02/1949+) -- fighter -- [6,950 kg] -- entered service 1952

 

Dassault Mystere (02/1949+) -- fighter -- Deplant, Cabriere, Rouault -- 367+ built

 

SNCASE SE.2410 Grognard I (Grumbler) (04/1950) -- attack -- Pierre Sartre -- 2 built

 

Breguet Br.961 Vultur (08/1951) -- carrier-borne strike -- 2 built

 

SNCAC NC.1080 (07/1949) -- Pillon -- ~1 built -- [7,700 kg]

 

Arsenal VG-90 (09/1949) -- carrier-borne fighter -- Vernisse and Galtier -- 3 built -- [8,090 kg]

 

Nord 2200 (12/1949) -- Louis Coroller, _____ Dupin and Alain Buret -- ~1 built -- [7,890 kg]

 

Tier X:

 

SNCASO SO.6021 Espadon (Swordfish)​ -- interceptor-fighter -- Lucien Servanty -- [6,870 kg]

 

Dassault Mystere IVA  (09/1952, 05/1954) -- 101 built -- [8,210 kg] -- entered service 1955

 

SNCASE SE.2418 Grognard III (Grumbler)​ -- attack

 

 

Omitted

 

 

 

 


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This feels somewhat anticlimactic.  Particularly because I wasn't even expecting something interesting, realistic or accurate, just some fan-fic.

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J311yfish #15 Posted 15 May 2014 - 12:48 AM

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In the absence of a roadmap, the only way to make reasonable predictions about what is likely to make it into the game is to do extensive research yourself.  I am willing to do that.  I expect it will take 2-3 weeks to get the appropriate sources, and another 4 weeks or more to process and formulate a tree based on engine developments.  If you have a source (English or French) that you want me to check out I would be glad to do it.  If there is a particular aircraft that you want me to investigate, I would be glad to do that too.  I enjoy the research and I intend to do a thorough job.  Thank you for your interest.

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View PostTraurig_Yoda, on 15 May 2014 - 02:02 AM, said:

things to consider where the french are concerned and their war history:

 

1940 - France plants trees on both sides of the Champs-Élysées as Germans prefer marching in the shade.



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I'd have the Dewoitine D.520 at tier 5.

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View PostJ311yfish, on 15 May 2014 - 01:48 AM, said:

In the absence of a roadmap, the only way to make reasonable predictions about what is likely to make it into the game is to do extensive research yourself.  I am willing to do that.  I expect it will take 2-3 weeks to get the appropriate sources, and another 4 weeks or more to process and formulate a tree based on engine developments.  If you have a source (English or French) that you want me to check out I would be glad to do it.  If there is a particular aircraft that you want me to investigate, I would be glad to do that too.  I enjoy the research and I intend to do a thorough job.  Thank you for your interest.


Back in EU one WG employee(French) did something in the past, here's the link.

 

I hope you can do something better :)



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Thank you Demon93 for the link.  I will start from there and reverse-engineer.  Here is a rough version of that information in tree form:

 


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