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Demon93IT #1 Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:05 PM

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As some of you may have noticed there are some new premium planes in the test server for the 1.3 build. An EU player, Zee7, was able to get the stats of these planes(link to his topic here)

 

In case you have problems with the link here are the planes

 

German attack aircraft Blohm und Voss Ha 137:

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German fighter Supermarine Spitfire V DB 605:

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Soviet fighter Bell P-39Q-15 Airacobra:

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American fighter Curtiss XP-31:

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American heavy fighter Grumman XP-50:

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Japanese fighter Kawasaki Ki-88:

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British fighter Fairey Fantome:

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British fighter North American Mustang Mk.I:

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Chinese fighter Curtiss Hawk II:

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Chinese fighter Breda Ba.27 Metallico:

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Chinese fighter Nakajima Ki-43-Ic:

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Chinese fighter Tomahawk IIb:

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Wolcott #2 Posted 13 April 2014 - 12:58 PM

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Anyone have high res screenshots of these planes? Particularly the Tomahawk and DB Spitfire? Guess my suggestion came true. =)

 

But the Soviet and Chinese tree get a premium P-40 and the Brits don't? And dear lord, not more Chinese copypaste planes. The Japanese should be getting the Ki-43 first. Though on the bright side, at least there'll be an Italian aircraft in WoWP soon.

 

If the Mustang Mk I is going to be a British premium, I suppose there won't be a lend lease line after all. Wonder what does that mean for the so-called British lend lease line in WoT? Sherman Firefly and 17pdr Achilles will be premiums after all?


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Demon93IT #3 Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:02 PM

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View PostWolcott, on 13 April 2014 - 01:58 PM, said:

Anyone have high res screenshots of these planes? Particularly the Tomahawk and DB Spitfire? Guess my suggestion came true. =)

 

But the Soviet and Chinese tree get a premium P-40 and the Brits don't? And dear lord, not more Chinese copypaste planes. The Japanese should be getting the Ki-43 first. Though on the bright side, at least there'll be an Italian aircraft in WoWP soon.

 

If the Mustang Mk I is going to be a British premium, I suppose there won't be a lend lease line after all. Wonder what does that mean for the so-called British lend lease line in WoT? Sherman Firefly and 17pdr Achilles will be premiums after all?


In the EU topic there are some screenshots, i can try to bring them over here.

 

As the Chinese well i would prefer to see them where they belong, also the Italian one. I'm still working on the Italian tech tree and it would be a shame to see one under different markings(sure the Ba.27 wasn't a success in Italy but still it helped).

 

For the land leased line well i don't know but i don't think it will happen

 

EDIT: i can't find a way to bring over the images from the topic i linked. In any case you should be able to see them from there :).

 

Ah by the way the Tomahawk IIb could cause some shock since it has the Flying Tigers emblem and PLAAF markings


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Saw some of them and only found these two. The rest are thumbnails. =( 

 

Spitfire V DB605

 

Grumman XP-50

 

We can always rant over the PLAAF markings like the Hawk III last Christmas. The devs listened back then.


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View PostWolcott, on 13 April 2014 - 02:16 PM, said:

We can always rant over the PLAAF markings like the Hawk III last Christmas. The devs listened back then.

I'm sure that they will change it, or at least i hope so. In any case when i find new pics i'll post them here ^^



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Ki-88 indicates a desire to leave the main IJA line intact, a good sign for Japan.

 

Ki-43-Ic in Chinese hands might at first appear to be a bad sign for Japan, but if you look closer at the Ki-43's progression (go here and scroll down a short way), it is clear that the version in Chinese hands is an early model, meaning a fully upgraded Japanese version should eclipse it later.

 

 

It is still difficult to derive meaningful information from the Chinese premiums (all aircraft in China).

 


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View PostJ311yfish, on 13 April 2014 - 03:11 PM, said:

Ki-88 indicates a desire to leave the main IJA line intact, a good sign for Japan.

 

Ki-43-Ic in Chinese hands might at first appear to be a bad sign for Japan, but if you look closer at the Ki-43's progression (go here and scroll down a short way), it is clear that the version in Chinese hands is an early model, meaning a fully upgraded Japanese version should eclipse it later.

 

 

It is still difficult to derive meaningful information from the Chinese premiums (all aircraft in China).

 


Sure the Ki-43 is one of the early variants but still i would have liked it with the other Nakajimas on the Japanese tech tree. Moreover since the current trees aren't exactly full of planes i wonder why on earth they have to add another nation now



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It may be a compromise to generate revenue in order to bolster further expansion.  If that is true, then it is smart, because they know that anyone anticipating the arrival of the IJA line would probably be willing to pay gold to sample them (via China) before they actually arrive.  I'm already sold on the Ki-43 because it is "more Zero than Zero."

 

Also... if the Chinese line is all premiums, then that means leveling a Chinese pilot should be super fast (without skill penalty), and that is kind of compelling.


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View PostJ311yfish, on 13 April 2014 - 04:04 PM, said:

It may be a compromise to generate revenue in order to bolster further expansion.  If that is true, then it is smart, because they know that anyone anticipating the arrival of the IJA line would probably be willing to pay gold to sample them (via China) before they actually arrive.  I'm already sold on the Ki-43 because it is "more Zero than Zero."

 

Also... if the Chinese line is all premiums, then that means leveling a Chinese pilot should be super fast (without skill penalty), and that is kind of compelling.


That's true but still there are plenty of possible branches for the already present nations which need to be implemented. In any case we'll see, i guess it's early for that.



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I want all of them (even the bad ones).

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Thanks a lot for the information and the link. I want them all but the HA-137 and the Grumman XP-50 are first in my whish list :) 

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View Posttheponja, on 13 April 2014 - 06:13 PM, said:

Thanks a lot for the information and the link. I want them all but the HA-137 and the Grumman XP-50 are first in my whish list :) 


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View PostJ311yfish, on 13 April 2014 - 11:04 PM, said:

It may be a compromise to generate revenue in order to bolster further expansion.  If that is true, then it is smart, because they know that anyone anticipating the arrival of the IJA line would probably be willing to pay gold to sample them (via China) before they actually arrive.  I'm already sold on the Ki-43 because it is "more Zero than Zero."

 

Also... if the Chinese line is all premiums, then that means leveling a Chinese pilot should be super fast (without skill penalty), and that is kind of compelling.

 

I suppose there should be no qualms over seeing possible premium aircraft like an Italian Bf 109, or a USAAF Spitfire perhaps. Premium aircraft like the Tomahawk and Airacobra offer nothing different other than nationality (their modules are essentially standard American equipment), so I can't see why not.


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I'm happy to see a German GA plane, even if it's one I'm not really familiar with.  I'll be getting that when it comes out, for sure!  I hope it comes in the configuration with the 20mm cannon, but I doubt it, at least at tier III.  Still, four 7.92mm MG's and 4 SC50 bombs isn't too bad, but taking out two of the MG's for two 20 mm cannon would be a better option for killing GT's.

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Hot off the presses from Quesnel's "Out of the Blue" thread in the General Gameplay forum.

 

We had a sighting of the Ha.137 on 1.3 CT.

 

 

And the version we appear to be getting does mount dual 7.92s synchronized and mounted above the engine in the nose and two 20mm MG-FF in the landing gear fairings.

It has only been seen once and that RU cluster tester did not mount any bombs, so no word on what that payload could be if there is one.

 

The example here outmanuevered the Polikarpov I-17 seen here on his six o'clock; I think the Ha.137 will be something totally new and unexpected for a GA in this game.

 

Shamelessly stolen from Demon93IT's original post, there is no mention of bombs equippable, so we might be looking at the first GA in the game that has no option to mount bombs, in which case I think its primary role will be to strafe soft targets like AA and Radar sites before/while countering enemy GA with their heavy armament and superior handling.

 

Tier: 3

Health: 220

Weight: 2518,8

Firepower: 89,2

2x 7,92 mm MG-17 (S) overheat time: 16 sec

2x 20 mm MG/FF (W) overheat time: 10 sec

Airspeed: 292,4

Top speed at sea level: 324,7

Top speed at best altitude: 328

Dive speed: 400

Stall speed: 450

Climb rate: 9,1

Optimum speed: 188,5

Boost time: 15 sec

Maneuverability: 274,6

Time to turn 360 deg: 17,2

Roll rate: 75

Controlability: 90

Optimum altidute: 400

 

Price: 800 gold


 

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Saw the post and those are really nice images. But a dive bomber with only 400m of optimum altitude?

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View PostWolcott, on 20 April 2014 - 10:04 AM, said:

Saw the post and those are really nice images. But a dive bomber with only 400m of optimum altitude?

 

Agreed.  But, if it isn't given the option to mount bombs here I guess that would be a lot of wasted altitude.


 

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These numbers could easily change since, i guess, they were on preliminary testing. Personally i hope that changes are still possible but we'll see.

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Some of the P-40C numbers are questionable too.  As Demon93 has pointed out, the Firepower value compare to armament, but also the weight with respect to everything else -- see here for side-by-side comparison.

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View PostJ311yfish, on 20 April 2014 - 10:32 PM, said:

Some of the P-40C numbers are questionable too.  As Demon93 has pointed out, the Firepower value compare to armament, but also the weight with respect to everything else -- see here for side-by-side comparison.


That's just one weird thing. Another is, as i pointed out in the EU topic, the fact that the Ba.27 is misplaced. This is the comparison with the F2F fully upgraded

 

Ba.27

Health: 100

Weight: 1848

Firepower: 43,1

2x 12,7 mm Breda-SAFAT (S) overheat time: 12 sec, RoF: 700, velocity: 765, damage: 70

Airspeed: 328,2

Top speed at sea level: 361

Top speed at best altitude: 380

Dive speed: 450

Stall speed: 85

Climb rate: 12

Optimum speed: 192,5

Boost time: 10 sec

Maneuverability: 356,8

Time to turn 360 deg: 11,2

Roll rate: 90

Controlability: 94,4

Optimum altitude: 900

 

F2F

Health: 90

Weight: 1716

Firepower: 24

1x7.62 mm M1919-A4 (S) and 1x12.7 mm BMG1921 (S)

Airspeed: 322

Top speed at sea level: 364

Top speed at best altitude: 383

Dive speed: 450

Stall speed: 70

Climb rate: 10.50

Optimum speed: 225

Boost time: ?(i don't recall the boost time of the F2F at the moment, i guess 10 seconds)

Maneuverability: 402

Time to turn 360 deg: 8.70

Roll rate: 77

Controlability: 94

Optimum altitude: 750

 

As you can see the Ba.27 could win against the F2F only if it's able to kill the US biplane with the first attack. When the dogfight starts there's no way that the Ba.27 would win due to the fact that it isn't faster and it isn't maneuverable. For this very reason the Regia Aeronautica(the Italian Air Force) chose the CR.32 instead of it. Sadly there isn't the CR.32 around, it would have been clearer a comparison with it(since it could easily become the most powerful tier II ingame).






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