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[J311yfish]

J311yfish, on 08 March 2018 - 10:18 AM, said:

 

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[J311yfish]

J311yfish, on 22 May 2019 - 06:48 PM, said:

 

The adversary of the F6F is not the A6M, even though A6M was produced in great quantity.  Here is an approximation of sequential aircraft that are so far not in game:

 

Tier	U.S.A.	Japan
VI	Grumman F6F-3 Hellcat (10/1942)	Mitsubishi J2M Raiden ("Jack") (05/1942)
VII	Grumman F6F-5 Hellcat (04/1944)	Kawanishi N1K1-J Shiden ("George") (12/1942+)
VIII	Grumman F8F Bearcat (08/1944)	Kawanishi N1K2-J Shiden Kai ("George") (12/1943+)
IX	Grumman F9F Panther (11/1947)	Nakajima Kikka (08/1945+)
X	Grumman F9F-6 Cougar (09/1951)	Kugisho R2Y2 Keiun (1945+)

 

The A6M1 on the other hand was first flown 04/1939, just over 3 years prior to XF6F-1 (06/1942).

 

Also by the way -- the popular (wrong) historical account is that an A6M was recovered intact 07/1942 (the "Akutan Zero") and restored for flight testing, and from this the 'secrets of the Zero' were discovered, and the F6F was therefore designed accordingly.  That was propaganda meant to bolster the morale of American pilots.  The F6F coincidentally made its first flight the previous month 06/1942.

 

The less known (secret for many years) historical account is that an A6M was recovered 6 months before Pearl Harbor, restored to flight status by a German mechanic working with the Flying Tigers (Gerhard Neumann, who would later go on to be head of General Electric).  The 'secrets of the Zero' were known by Chennault and his men before America officially entered the war, and even then the knowledge was a closely guarded secret.  The F6F prototype was ordered around the same time 06/1941, but to what degree it benefited from the knowledge, if at all, is debatable.

 

Also, American involvement in China against Japan did not begin after Pearl Harbor, but can actually be traced all the way back to 1932 with American pilot Robert Short in a Boeing P-12, and further over the years with CAMCO.  Further reading.

 

Related:

http://forum.worldofwarplanes.com/index.php?/topic/49715-why-isnt-the-grumman-f6f-hellcat-avalible/page__pid__691126#entry691126

http://forum.worldofwarplanes.com/index.php?/topic/54528-j2m-raiden/page__pid__759067#entry759067

http://forum.worldofwarplanes.com/index.php?/topic/49229-news-ru-wowp-developers-qa-20170523/page__pid__684614#entry684614

 

 

^ from (another) thread on Grumman F6F Hellcat.

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[vcharng]

A few suggestions on what we have now on the first page:

1. Ki-109 "could" fill the gap between Ki-93 and Ki-201. It's a 75mm heavy fighter... However, I'm not sure how it'll fare in the game's meta... perhaps we should reverse what we did to the Ki-93 and make the Ki-109 an GAA.

2. Kikka is considered an attacker in IJN. R2Y2 is further NOT planned to be armed with any guns at all (bombs only). Putting them behind the "B-type fighter" (Navy designation for land-based defensive fighters) would be weird.

3. There's such a thing as A8M after A7M, known as 次期甲戰鬪機 (next generation A-type fighter, i.e. "next generation carrier-based fighter"), it is featured in WOWS, so maybe we can try having that after A7M.

4. A6M4 is essentially an A6M2 with belt-fed (instead of drum-fed) 20mm guns. It'll be hard to make it worthwhile to go one tier higher. I'd suggest using "Zero fighter Model 33" (No A6MX designation available) to replace it. Model 33 is a Model 32 with turbocharged engine.

[J311yfish]

vcharng, on 14 February 2020 - 08:45 PM, said:

A few suggestions on what we have now on the first page:

1. Ki-109 "could" fill the gap between Ki-93 and Ki-201. It's a 75mm heavy fighter... However, I'm not sure how it'll fare in the game's meta... perhaps we should reverse what we did to the Ki-93 and make the Ki-109 an GAA.

2. Kikka is considered an attacker in IJN. R2Y2 is further NOT planned to be armed with any guns at all (bombs only). Putting them behind the "B-type fighter" (Navy designation for land-based defensive fighters) would be weird.

3. There's such a thing as A8M after A7M, known as 次期甲戰鬪機 (next generation A-type fighter, i.e. "next generation carrier-based fighter"), it is featured in WOWS, so maybe we can try having that after A7M.

4. A6M4 is essentially an A6M2 with belt-fed (instead of drum-fed) 20mm guns. It'll be hard to make it worthwhile to go one tier higher. I'd suggest using "Zero fighter Model 33" (No A6MX designation available) to replace it. Model 33 is a Model 32 with turbocharged engine.

 

You are welcome to substantiate any or all of the above claims with verifiable primary sources.  Without sources, you might as well be asking for a Flying Spaghetti Monster at each and every tier.  Japan was working on Flying Spaghetti Monsters at the end of the war to counter the B-29 threat, and had the pasta finished in time -- oh man, we'd all be speaking Japanese today.  Don't believe me?  It's on the internet somewhere, really, go find the source to verify my claims!