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pyantoryng #281 Posted 27 November 2017 - 07:19 PM

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460 airspeed

11x7.7mm for 102 firepower

Approx. 361 maneuverability

Optimal Altitude 1050 meters, Climb rate 26.4 m/s

860 HP

 

How does it look?



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J311yfish #282 Posted 28 November 2017 - 12:00 AM

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View Postpyantoryng, on 27 November 2017 - 02:19 PM, said:

460 airspeed

11x7.7mm for 102 firepower

Approx. 361 maneuverability

Optimal Altitude 1050 meters, Climb rate 26.4 m/s

860 HP

 

How does it look?

 

​-- "460 airspeed" -- could make sense for Tier V, approximating A6M2

-- "11x7.7mm for 102 firepower" -- does not make sense; and bombs not specifically mentioned

-- "361 maneuverability" + "26.5 m/s climb rate" + "Optimum Altitude 1050m" + "860hp" -- suggest low-mid-altitude bomber

-- the image itself shows the aircraft at low altitude close to the water, viewed from above

-- the image size 1049x675 is unusual, suggesting that it was cropped

-- usually https://gamemodels3d.com/​ has an indication of new aircraft; so far Ki-57 does not show up

-- There is no mention by Francillon of a Ki-57 configured in this way

-- There is no mention by Dyer of a Ki-57 configured this way

-- If everything is true and historical in nature, then possible sources are 'Meatballs and Dead Birds' by Gallagher (pictures of aircraft found at the end of the war), or 'Japanese Experimental Transport Aircraft of the Pacific War' by Picarella, or a perhaps source in Japanese indicating a one-off or late-war conversion for a specific mission or purpose (there are many instances of this).

 

Anyway, curious indeed!


Edited by J311yfish, 28 November 2017 - 01:37 AM.

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J311yfish #283 Posted 02 December 2017 - 07:54 AM

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Mitsubishi Ki-57 -- "Topsy" -- Paratroop and Special Forces Operations

-- "With the establishment of the 1st Raiding Regiment and the imminent establishment of the 2nd Raiding Regiment at the end of 1941, the compliment of aircraft to carry them into battle rose to over 50 transports.  The [IJA] arranged these planes into the 1st and 2nd Chutais and placed them under a Hikotai​ headquarters, with the 3rd and 4th Chutais​ coming along in early 1942.  Due to the limited number of aircraft available for dedicated operations it was decided that the 1st and 2nd Chutais​ would operate the Type Lo and Ki-56, while the 3rd and 4th Chutais​ would field the newer and larger Mitsubishi Ki-57 'Topsy'." (Picarella, 40)

-- "... from 1943 onwards the IJA executed all remaining paratroop operations and airborne special attack missions." (Picarella, 40)

-- "The second and possibly most notable paratroop operation of the war occurred at Palembang, Sumatra, on [02/14/1942] --- The first group consisted of 24 transport aircraft and 19 bombers, escorted by Ki-43-I 'Oscars' of the 64th Sentai​.  In place of the standard 3-aircraft formations typically used by the transports, this attacking force of transports and bombers was specially grouped into [groups of 9], a tactic that had been rehearsed during the planning stage of the operation.  This arrangement was designed to provide better fighter cover for the formations.  The second group consisted of 9 transports and 9 bombers covered by Ki-43-Is of the 59th Sentai​. // The drops were satisfactory.  The attacking force succeeded.  Within 72 hours the Japanese had control of Palembang, and air losses during the operation amounted to 3 transports and 1 bomber." (Picarella, 40)

-- "Following the success of Palembang, the IJA paratroop operations were planned against such targets as Tjilatap in Java, Pangkalanberandan and Sabang in Sumatra, and Andaman in the Indian Ocean ..." (Picarella, 40)

-- "Surprisingly, some aircraft of the 1st Paratroop Sentai​ carried out maritime patrol duties around Andaman and the Nicobar area in Bengal Bay.  To be suitable to operate in this capacity, maintenance personnel modified the Ki-57s in the field by installing bomb shackles so that the planes could carry bombs and depth charges." (Picarella, 42)

 

Sources:

Japanese Experimental Transport Aircraft of the Pacific War, by Giuseppe Picarella (2011 Stratus)

 

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Based on the above, it would seem that the Ki-57, if truly to be in game, could be part of a new game mode -- such as: 1) capture of enemy territory via paratroopers instead of outright destruction; 2) escort of the Ki-57 so that it can reach its destination.  There is also the possibility that the Ki-57 could be used as a low-altitude bomber or as coastal defense.


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pyantoryng #284 Posted 02 December 2017 - 11:59 AM

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Within the current framework I'd say that it would appear as a bomber...

 

...the 11x7.7mm is still a mystery though...



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