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Raindrops #41 Posted 20 April 2014 - 07:03 PM

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You know sometimes it feels like I'm talking to myself... Probably because I am! *pauses for laughter*

 

But yes, work continues in this thread. After the next update goes live, I'll be replacing the Banshees with a whole new line from Bell - the Airacobra, King Cobra, Airacomet, and XP-83. There will be a couple more from other companies to round it out, but it should be a LF line capable of striking ground targets. More on that when it arrives.

 

Added XSB2D-1 and SBD-1 Destroyer to the second post. Rather disappointed,actually. Finally taking a good look at them, the modules are identical - engine, bombs, armament - with the performance increase I had hoped for pretty much vanishing upon the realization that they weighed almost the same despite the loss of the rear gunner. I do still have the option of adding the turbojet to the latter, but I don't have any info whatsoever on the XBTD-2's performance. (04962, stricken to salvage. 04963, never flown. That's the extent of my knowledge.)

I may have to drop one and steal the Helldiver from the Grumman line to make up for the gap. It fits the bill for my tier five with a gunner, 2x20s, and 2000lbs bombs, letting be shift the XSB2D-1 to VI over the SBD-1. (I give it preference due to the rear gunner.)

 

Skypirate added. .50s are going to be rough on a tier eight GA.

 

Skyshark added - interesting story from testing:

Part of the test involved a dive followed by a modest turnout and a roll. As this maneuver was being accomplished, there were loud noises from the front end of the aircraft and the windscreen became covered with oil. Livingston's chase pilot noted with some astonishment that the entire propeller and nose section of the gear box had parted company with the aircraft. The engines continued to run at approximately 1/3 power with the throttles locked, and, as the canopy refused to open, Livingston was unable to bail out. Fortunately, Livingston found that the aircraft was controllable, though vision was restricted by the oil on the windshield. Aided by directions from his chase pilot, Livingston was able to bring the aircraft to a safe landing on the lakebed, squeeze through the small canopy opening and jump off the wing as the aircraft trundled on across the lakebed propelled by the residual thrust of the still-running engines.

And for some reason, Livingston got back into the repair plane and flew it again - with the final flight resulting in a destroyed gearbox, unreliable ejection system, a back injury, and the final cancellation of the project.

 

A-4 added as well. Only the AD Skyraider to go.

 

I should probably do a listing of potential premiums as well, considering I've got quite a few by this point.


Edited by Raindrops, 20 April 2014 - 07:09 PM.

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View PostRaindrops, on 12 April 2014 - 12:39 AM, said:

Well, it's official this time - F2H is the new tier nine HF.  This pretty much takes an axe to the Model 40 proposals and the FH Phantom. (Especially since the latter would be too good for a premium.)

 

But how does it stack up against what I posted last time? Let's take a look, shall we...

As you can see, it starts with the Westinghouse J34-GE-22 and ends with the -34, covering the entire engine lineage of the F2H. The upgraded guns as well (Mk.12 Hispanos) mark the elite version to be the F2H-4 I had placed at the top of the line. I am surprised there is no airframe upgrade however, as a lot of little changes were applied throughout the F2H's lineage.

In addition, we do see the Banshee carrying 4x250lb bombs or 5" HVARs. As such, the Banshee should still maintain the multi-funtionality I declared it would have - we'll see how well it plays out though.

 

Also: New updates to the lines. Leaving the Banshee line up for the moment, but it's due to come down/be replaced in time. F3D now put in place of the Jetmaster, due to module availability, hopefully I'll have the module listings for those to switched out tonight. Swapped out. Here's the Jetmaster's module block:

 

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While the F3D does have additional modules in the form of three engines and a pair of airframes before it became missile-armed, the fact it only had two external hard points does make it an odd bird in a line practically made of carpet bombers.  It will at least hold the line until I find a better replacement, however.

 

Also made a quick fix to the Mixmaster's ordinance modules - it could carry 4x2000lb bombs, rather than just the 2x2000 I had listed.  It also apparently could carry a 8000lb bomb with the bay doors slightly opened. (5")


8000 lbs bomb? That's a nuke considering that the largest bomb ever existed ingame(the 1000 kg bomb) was removed, probably because it was too much. In any case if WG keeps it i'll be a happy dude :teethhappy:(who will chase me not so much :trollface:)



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Well, considering the Corsair's 1600lb bomb is considered "excessive," a 8000lb bomb is insanity incarnate. But still, imagine the blast radius you may be able to get... Just get the enemy team on your tail and it's game-over.

 

ANYWAYS, long time, no update. I was in the process of updating this thread actually when about three weeks ago my computer crashed and required a refresh - ditching not just the posts, but all my bookmarks and other info as well. However, I'm back, and some big changes are on the way - firstly, I'm taking the Banshee 'line' out entirely. I'll leave the info I had in this post, however. I will be adding in a line to replace them however - but I'll do a new post when that edit is done. I'll also be finishing the current lines with the AD Skyraider stat block updating very soon.

 

Anyways, rather than doing all at once, like I tried last time, I'm doing these one at a time, just for safety's sake.

 

Editing unused planes out of the OP listings:

 

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Old Banshee Line Modules:

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Know what? I was going to edit the changes I made today into this, but it gets to be a really long post. I'll just put it in a new one.

My thread, I can double-post if I want to.


Edited by Raindrops, 29 June 2014 - 03:18 AM.

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Raindrops #44 Posted 29 June 2014 - 03:18 AM

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Done for today - here's what's new:

 

Skyraider done - finally. I don't have all possible loadouts, but to simplify things... Go 3x2000 and 8x500 for max bombs, or 24 FFARS and a set of Tiny Tims for Zvonarev medals all over the place.

Destroyer smashed head-on into its two-seat prototype. The two-seater survives, because it's good to keep the rear gunner for another tier.

Tier four hole caused by this is filled by the Grumman TBF Avenger - most Grumman planes would be pulled for the Hellcat line, so the Avenger is more or less orphaned - and free to join the Douglases. It's in both posts now.

The "tiering proposal" updated as well.

The current tree is mixed in as well for a bit of perspective - and to look at where connections would be. DBs come off of the Corsairs for Carrier superiority, Bell is what I'm working on now, coming off of the North American/Army Air Force line.

 

Bell gives us the P-39 - which I split due to a fair amount of modules - and which we can guess at in-game performance based on the P-39Q-15, now that it's back in the game. Still hope to find something to place lower, but haven't had too much time to work on that yet.

The King Cobra is a faster, heavier Cobra, and I'm putting the P-59 off to the side as an IL-10-esque split. The P-59 was historically significant, being America's first jet, but it's slower than the King Cobra, which was also far more numerous. Both planes are really necessary, but neither is suited for any other tier.

The XP-83 is the next stage of the P-59, with a good choice of guns between .50s, .60s, 20s, and 37mm cannon. It can lead from the P-59 with the engines, and the King with the cannon.

The P-80 is a Lockheed, but there's a reason I left it here. Bell had considered a modification of the P-59 with a single engine at the base of the tail, rather than the twin engines - Lockheed snagged this idea and made the P-80, which then proceeded to beat out the XP-83 for a contract. The spiritual successor which defeated the true son, if you will.

The F-80 Shooting Star was then developed into the T-33 that became the F-94 Starfire - though known for its all-rocket loadout, it kept a set of 12.7s in the A and B models.

 

And coming off of the far end of Douglas, I have a little spur of 75mm-armed planes. They drop the ordinance for the power of the 75mm for the most part - starting with the B-25G/H that I've mentioned here and throughout the forums.

The NA-98X was an improved version with better engines and a redesigned airframe, the Grizzly was Beechcraft's bid - unfortunately cut down when its components were needed for other planes already in production.

The XP-71 was a Curtiss proposal for a heavy escort fighter - basically, larger than the B-25, fast as the F2G, and carrying a 75mm and two 37mm cannons. Never made it to prototype, but an impressive bird none the less. In all honesty though, the XP-71 could probably work better as a HF, with the demi-line folding back in at VII with the A-26, which also carried a 75mm.

 

Also of note on the 75mm, there's a few scattered reports on the XA-42 being proposed with a 2x12.7 1x75mm nose - but it's not mentioned in any of the published sources I've found so far. I can find this and this, but no sources are cited. Not sure if it's just a rumor (after all, the 75mm was being thrown around at the same time) but I'm leaving it out until I actually find something more.

 

Also, found this picture of the XB-43:

Note the different sized exhausts - after testing as a bomber, it became a testbed for developing the J47 engine. Maybe the J47 could become a module... Or even the lopsided configuration. I really do want to put the B-43 bak in - the Skynight really doesn't fit in the line the best - but I need to find some more info first. Information's not easy to come by on this project, unfortunately.

 

That should do it for now, so hopefully the next update I'll have one of the new demi-lines out. Besides the XB-43/F3D, I'm also hoping to look a bit more into the Skypirate as well - its machinegun armament makes it a bit odd, when there's cannons in the two tiers before and after it, but it may just have to stay for now.


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Demon93IT #45 Posted 29 June 2014 - 09:32 AM

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Nice work! If you continue like that you risk to make a whole US tree out of it :teethhappy:

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Heheh... I've got a ways to go. Heck, I don't even have all of SurfinByrd's experimentals and patents, and I've got about 126 planes across 25 companies that could possibly be of worth in WoWP. (10 tier X, 10-IX, 9-VIII, 13-VII, 14-VI, 21-V, 17-IV, 16-III, 16-II)  Finding planes is easy, finding a place for them and modules is the fun part.

 

No, seriously - I love this stuff. Wish I had more time for it. I'd like to do a whole tree, but so far I'm sticking with companies that don't seem to have been covered before, because it's all I have time for.


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View PostRaindrops, on 29 June 2014 - 06:31 PM, said:

Heheh... I've got a ways to go. Heck, I don't even have all of SurfinByrd's experimentals and patents, and I've got about 126 planes across 25 companies that could possibly be of worth in WoWP. (10 tier X, 10-IX, 9-VIII, 13-VII, 14-VI, 21-V, 17-IV, 16-III, 16-II)  Finding planes is easy, finding a place for them and modules is the fun part.

 

No, seriously - I love this stuff. Wish I had more time for it. I'd like to do a whole tree, but so far I'm sticking with companies that don't seem to have been covered before, because it's all I have time for.


That's a huge tree D:

 

Still you're doing a pretty nice job. I know it's hard finding the modules, i have that same problem with the italian planes :teethhappy:



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Bit more on the XP-71 - there actually was work done on a mock-up of the plane before it was abandoned. However, only the forward fuselage and the port engine were finished. Here's a pic with pilot and 75mm armament.

And if you couldn't tell be this, this plane is big. Really big. Have some numbers:

        Wingspan   Length   Height   Weight(maximum)

IL-2         47'11"      38'1"     13'9"     14065lbs

B-25G      67'7"          51'     15'9"     35000lbs

FW-57         82'     53'10"    13'5"      18298lbs

XP-71      82'3"      61'10"       19'      39578lbs

B-17G  103'10"       74'4"    19'1"      55000lbs

 

That's nearly twice as broad as the IL-2, more than double the weight of a FatWulf, and as tall as a Flying Fortress. A6M it is not. Is it worth the price to get a 37mm75mm instakill combo platter? You tell me.


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Starting work in on the 75mms - should be done in short order. The XP-71 will be sidelined for now - while impressive, its speed would be unsurprising at its tier, and the others can't be dropped down any. (Sorry, no tier IV 75mms.) The lack of modules is also a problem. (I am working on a premium list as well, to collect all the spin-offs and oddities that have come up so far in making these lines.)

Regardless, I've chosen to up-tier after the deletion of the XP-71, making the B-25 the heavier companion to the A-20 in tier V, the NA-98X to the A-26, and the A-38 actually squares off against the later A-26 as the lightweight. The demi-line would be researched from the Model 7B - which beat out the NA-40 that became the B-25 - and wrap back in with the "late" A-26, also mounting the 75mm. The B-25s act as bigger, slower compatriots to the Douglas planes with early access to the 75mm, while the Grizzly actually outpaces the A-26 in the end, being to most likely plane in the batch to work as a 75mm HF.

 

Even with the XP-71 snipped, The B-25H, NA-98X, XA-38, and A-26 should be more than enough to satisfy the need for ridiculous airborne cannons - at least, in the American line for now. Only a matter of time before the Germans and Japanese get theirs.

 

Also, the A-26is being properly split into two separate planes to reflect its split tiering. Original combined module set:

Spoiler

 

Also, just in case anyone still thought the B-25G had an automatic 75mm:

Turns out the length of the gun was actually advantageous, as it allowed the loader to be placed behind the pilot with the muzzle still extending all the way to the nose.

 

 

*Edit: All done. 75mms, new tiering image, A-26 split, and a lot of little edits to clean up. I'll have to start in on showing modules for the premiums eventually, but I hope to get to Bell before that.


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Can we add this as a Tier II Premium GA: http://en.wikipedia....h_American_A-27

 

It's a T-6 Texan with 2x 30 cals in the nose, 1 30 cal in the rear and 4x 100 pound bombs. Compared to the Tier II Tsh-2 that's a lot more bombs (4 vs 0), but pretty poor gun firepower comapred to the Ago 192 (Which can mount the same bombload and go faster to boot) and comapred to the Tsh 2 itself, while lacking the Agos speed and the Tsh 2s loitering ability, but with a much smaller wingspan than either of them, it would be a bit more agile.

 

Yay or nay?



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The A-27 would actually place somewhere between the Dauntless and Devastator - while its bombload is light, it is fairly fast for a GA at 400kmh - bringing it alongside the A5M and LBSh/IL-2. It may work as a II due to light armament, (even compared to the Devastator carries three times the bombs,) but I'll have to look into it later.

While there are no other North American planes to make a proper line with it, it may end up fitting in a hole later on with one of the other twenty companies I have yet to get to. Because of that, I'm going to hold off on making it a premium for now.


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Small update - added back in the Jetmaster. While I still can't get full armament details due to it never mounting any, I have made guesses based on diagrams that the XB-43 could - theoretically - maintain its bombload and the gun nose. This, combined with the J47 engine, gives it a few more modules to play with, (although I nixed the "cosmetic" airframe difference,) and I have deemed it acceptable to re-replace the F3D.

In addition: More guns for the XB-42! Found a page - in Russian of all things - with this helpful little graphic. The site is an "alternate history" one, but they have a good selection of actual diagrams and concept sketches. So yes, 75mm Mixmaster is a go. The 37mms also provide it with yet another viable option - it is also possible that 75/37mms could fit the XB-43 as well, what with them bearing roughly the same fuselage and removable noses, but without evidence towards that, I'll leave it alone for the moment.

 

Despite the return of the Jetmaster, the Skynight is not completely going away! It will be used in the future to foot the F3H Demon, which mounted similar armament and could carry a very limited bomb load. Pics. Small bomblets on the six wing hardpoints - 250-pounders? Note that there are two on the interior hardpoints as well in the upper pic. While the F3H could hold up to 6000lbs ordinance, it appears only the interior hardpoints could bear substantial weight -which have been shown carrying a 3000lb bomb.

 

Here is the F3D and F3H:

 

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They will sit here for now, as tier IX-X doesn't even qualify for a demi-line - they are likely to top off something further down the road, however.

 

In addition to that switch, I also flipped the Skyraider and Skypirate. Reasons being, the .50s will be more comfortable a tier below the AD-1's 20mms, and the Skypirate also suffers from a lesser bombload than the Skyraider and Skyshark. Speed does decrease when going from the Skypirate to the Skyraider, but we do have precedent for that in the ILs already, making it of lesser concern. (The Skyraider does roughly match the IL-20 it will be tiered against in that regard.)


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This is really cool! The only question I have is besides the Douglas A line and the 75mm line, what other GA lines are there for WOWP?

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View PostS01836775, on 04 September 2014 - 03:15 AM, said:

This is really cool! The only question I have is besides the Douglas A line and the 75mm line, what other GA lines are there for WOWP?

Well, "a lot" is the answer. I have only looked into what you see here, but the Stuka line is greatly anticipated as the first German GA line, and J3llyfish has threads regarding various nations, and what planes they could have - I'd suggest starting with their Japanese thread,which once again suggests dive-bombers as GA planes.

If you want the absolute max on the American side though, well, there is SgtSurfinByrd's archived thread...

 

Regardless, I haven't had the time yet to get on to the Bell planes. In fact, the site I'd been taking a lot of my info from - Scribd - took down a lot of the books it had on various aircraft. I managed to download copies of quite a few naval projects and Douglas aircraft, but unfortunately Bell was already gone, so I'm back to scrounging random sites of dubious quality for all my module lists. Still, I did come across something interesting tonight - a small archive of patent illustrations.A few I recognize, af few I don't, and a few... Well, I doubt the basic viability of quite a few of these.

 

Still, pertaining to the planes discussed in this thread:

McDonnell Model 1! Sadly lacking any hint of armament suggestion in this one.

Mixmaster! Complete with triclopic canopies with split crew and bombadier nose.

 

That's all for now - partly bumping because I don't know how far this is from the archive zone - hopefully next update will get us started proper on the Bell planes.


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Oh my god those are sexy planes!!! Thanks for sharing. I just looked at J3llyfishes. His (or someones) French line had some super quacky lookin GA's. Those looked like they would be cool to have.

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The Grognard? Yes, it looks funky - but those Macross rockets... Delicious.

 

Back to Bell, I decided to start a bit with finding something to foot. Bell took over the Consolidated plant Buffalo, but Consolidated has little left to offer, having merged with Vultee later on. The planes still available would be the XB2Y - and early dive bomber - P-30/A-11 - a GA monoplane - and the TBY Sea Wolf - a torpedo bomber - none of which would be fitting for the Bell line of fighters, focused on the Airacobra. Founder Larry Bell had worked for Martin prior to Consolidated, but Martin offers nothing to offer shy of tier five either. Something could be cobbled out of spare pieces, but the hub-cannon trend did not exist before that, and there are no company ties left to exploit to make it feel logical. With the new HF line as a precedent, a tier five start is not unreasonable, however.

Bell also drops off after the war, focusing instead on the high-speed research craft, but I've already put down what I think could work above. The F-94B will be upgraded to the F-94D however, which doubles the plane's gun armament.

 

Still, thanks to J3lly having a link to a PDF of Putnam's history of Bell aircraft, I have started on Bell at long last. They should be finished by the end of the month, if all goes well. This weekend should see all the placeholders up, but for now, a teaser:

 

P-59

 

Maximum Speed: 658kmh

Armament: 3x12.7 and 1x37mm, 2x37mm

Engines: General Electric J31-GE-3, J31-GE-5

Airframes: P-59A

 

XP-83

 

Maximum Speed: 840kmh

Armament: 6x12.7mm, 20x12.7mm, 6x15.2mm, 4x20mm, 4x37mm

Ordinance: 2x1000lb bombs

Engines: General Electric J33-GE-5

Airframes: XP-83

 

XP-83... For when absolutely everything has to be dead. No, I have no idea how they planned to fit twenty .50s in there. But they did. And for those not in the know, the 15.2mm is the experimental .60 T17E3 machine gun - I converted to metric, as all in-game guns are represented as such.


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Lol, 20 .50's. That really would be like a flamethrower :). I suspect at the end of tech tree production (2018?) The US will have the most lines. Republic, Lockheed, Bell, Grumman, Vought, Douglas I and II, North american, B-25's...

 

RU and German lines actually don't have that many left.


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I wou;dn't bet against Russia - they had a fairly good aviation school, and post-war production. The fact that WG is in that area also means better sources than we have in English for all those prototypes and rare planes to fill out with. Germany will also have a good number of planes - a lot of very zany proposals that never left the drawing board could be pulled for tons of weird planes.

However, US does have an advantage due to post-war production and an incredible gamut of manufacturers. From what I've dentified so far, there's a chance at a good... 11~13 mixed lines, (including those already implemented.) not counting on unseen patents and sketches. Major players: Lockheed, North American, and Vought, (The current lines) Douglas, Bell, Republic, Grumman, Martin, Northop, Curtiss, and Convair.


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So the news: Place holders aren't up. Reason: I went ahead and delved right into modules, so I'll be putting the planes up wholesale when done. The bad news: The P-39 couldn't be a tier V in any incarnation - just too fast, and with too much gun. As such, I've got to compact the entire series into the VI slot I have marked for the Q right now.

This means two things: The P-39 will have a ton of modules, since I already pack in as many are viable, and I also need desperately to find something to foot it. A branch starting at tier V was alright, but I think VI is less acceptable - so it's back to the drawingboard as soon as I finish doing modules for these.

 

I already know that there's nothing much to match the P-39 mid-engine or cannon-armed ideals, but hedging on the "multi-role" designation now floating around, I'll be hunting for planes mounting bombs to solidify the Bell line as such - though if I pursue it as such, I may have to reconsider the line toppers as well - while developmentally related, they are fighters first and foremost.


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Raindrops #60 Posted 19 October 2014 - 12:48 AM

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Not finished yet - I keep finding new paths to tread down - but I figured I could spare an update with some points of interest I came up with this weekend.

 

First up: A notification - I just said above that there was a possibility that the Bell line could be converted to the incoming "multirole" designation - however, a glance at 1.6 test reveals the Russian P-39Q remains a LF, despite armament similar to the Yak-9U, which is a MR at the same tier. As such, I will continue producing the Bell line as LFs. There is still room for Douglas planes to make the MR designation however, namely the DB line, in hopes of pre-empting the potential inclusion of Japanese DBs and the Republic lines being added as MR planes.

 

Next, I may have found at least one Bell project to add below the P-39 - the Bell Model 3. Precursor to both the P-39 and the XP-77. (Which I wish was still available for inclusion.) Not much on modules, but it mounted the same V-1710 that was later used for the P-39, and can carry a hub-mounted 25mm to better tie it to the Airacobra. It may even be possible to mount the Model 4 (Which became the Airacobra) as a second airframe, as the 3 and 4 mainly differed in pilot/engine placement - with the 3 having the pilot behind the engine, and the 4 placing them between engine and cannon, resulting in a more concentrated center of gravity.

 

Remembered the XP-52/XP-59 (pusher) again, so I dug up this page again with the mockup photos - the final pic being of special note, as the comment reveals an armament of 8x20mm, depite most online descriptions being 2x20 and 6x12.7mm. Also found a proposed speed of 724kmh - putting it in VII range, though with a devastating punch. Still, I currently have no place for this plane in the current line as it overlaps with the King Cobra/Airacobra. Premium'd for the time being, may be paired u with the Swoose Goose sometime later.

 

Did you know: While Bell is famous for its X-planes and helicoptors, it combined the two fields with experimental VTOLS as soon as 1940? They started with patents in 1941, the first flights came around in 1954 with the Model 65 ATV, and continued on later with the X-14, which was tested by pilots from around the world, and used for lunar lander practice. In 1956 things came to a head with the X-109 mach-2 VTOL proposal, cancelled after $14mil and a full-scale mockup. The VTOL legacy finally bore fruit with the V-22 Osprey now in Marine service.

Nothing really useful for WoWP here, as the closest to an armed vehicle was the X-14C proposal, featuring two hardpoints that could carry gunpods, so it will still be awhile until we can enjoy a craft without a stall speed - or reverse capability.

 

Everyone knows the Bell X-planes. The famed X-1, the slightly less-famed X-2... And then there's the X-5. Considerably less famous, it wasn't a record-setter by any means... But has quite a colorful past.

Look familiar? Well, it should - after the war, a lot of German secret projects were uncovered, and one facility in Bavaria revealed an almost-complete fighter that was designated the p.1101. It was packed up, shipped to the US, and then completely ignored for the next three years. In 1948 it was put up as military surplus, and subsequently bought by Bell, who reassembled the plane to investigate its variable-geometry wings. (The P.1101 could have its wings placed at 35, 40, and 45 degrees of sweep wile grounded.) Due to damage sustained while in transit however, the plane was unusable - but Bell decided to make their own plane based off of the design, which became the X-5. Iproving upon the design, the X-5 could not only change the angle of the wings, but also shifted them up and down the length of the aircraft to improve stability.

The important note however is that the X-5 was actualy proposed to be developed into a fighter - something I had not known until now. There is no info on armament, though the fact it was considered a competitor to the F-86 is a clue... As well as the "simulated armament" that was painted on the assembled P.1101. This would make it a possible tier X, with greater speed and less maneuverability than the P.1101 - it was used with the much more powerful J35 engine, but weighed in another 270kg heavier.

This does one of two things: Nix the F-94, (likely completely,) or knock out the F-94 and P-80 both for use later, with something else taking up the IX slot.

 

Anyways, getting ever closer to release. Should drop the line in tomorrow, (with the P-80) but I'll keep looking for extra planes. (Switched what I'm looking at to foot the line again - moved from bombs to planes armed with the .50)

 

Oh, yes - and I also finally found out what ramjets were tested on the XP-83 before it crashed - same as those used on the P-51 - as well as a P-80 which was used to test later iterations of the Marquardt ramjets.

If anyone knows anything about the Marquardt engines, please let me know.


Edited by Raindrops, 19 October 2014 - 03:44 AM.

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