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pyantoryng #1 Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:33 PM

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I've just got the 30mm Type 2 for the Shinden...the number says 400 RPM for RoF...but in practice it feels almost as fast as NS-23 (600 RPM) or the stock Type 99-2 shoots...

...on the flip side, the MK 103 cannon (both the outboard on the 609 and the hub mounted one of the 209) says that it fires at 400 RPM, but in fact it fires like a derp gun of the heavy Yaks...or to relate better to the Germans, the MK 101 cannon the Bf 110C-6 uses.

What gives? I know better than not to trust the number, but this is just perplexing.

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JDMFreakz #2 Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:47 PM

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sound doesnt matters.. look at the bullets coming out

 


pyantoryng #3 Posted 26 October 2013 - 03:56 PM

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Well, it doesn't matter...because MK 103 fires in the manner of derp gun making it quite hard to aim in like 400 ping.

...and Shinden's 3cm Type 2 heats even faster than MK 108 of the 262...

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DeltaEon #4 Posted 26 October 2013 - 04:07 PM

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I'll have to hop on and play with the various guns on the shinden in a training/team room and see what I get of them. I do remember questioning in my mind about the RoF on those 30mm myself.

I'll be back in about 10-15 mins.

Edit: Alright, yeah.. they're around 400 RPM for the Type 2. it's easy to tell they're roughly around that mark with how much of a 'pause' there is between shells striking aircraft.. and as expected, the type 5s do fire considerably faster. I also noted the type 2 30mms have quite a bit of stutter in their fire, especially if you use free cam and look at the fire coming out of the barrels.. type 5s stutter a little less, but it's still visibly stopping every half second or so.

They fire fast, but they stutter and lose precious firing moments.. thus less RPM.

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View Postpyantoryng, on 26 October 2013 - 03:56 PM, said:

Well, it doesn't matter...because MK 103 fires in the manner of derp gun making it quite hard to aim in like 400 ping.

...and Shinden's 3cm Type 2 heats even faster than MK 108 of the 262...

still, cant beat the overheat of american 37mm T9 cannon.

 


pyantoryng #6 Posted 03 November 2013 - 01:02 PM

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Ok...I've been using the Type 2 gun for a while, and it works rather well because of the 700 m/s muzzle velocity.

...the 400 RPM make it fires in bursts like most tier 1 machine guns...but the very powerful damage more than make up for it, and it doesn't fire derp-style, so it's plenty good.

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View Postpyantoryng, on 03 November 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Ok...I've been using the Type 2 gun for a while, and it works rather well because of the 700 m/s muzzle velocity.

...the 400 RPM make it fires in bursts like most tier 1 machine guns...but the very powerful damage more than make up for it, and it doesn't fire derp-style, so it's plenty good.

man, im really searching for a derpjet.. any suggestion?

 


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View PostJDMFreakz, on 03 November 2013 - 03:17 PM, said:

man, im really searching for a derpjet.. any suggestion?

The J7W3. OBVIOUSLY.

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View PostPanzer_Leader_3, on 03 November 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

The J7W3. OBVIOUSLY.

Pretty much. You'll hit for nearly 100 per burst.
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pyantoryng #10 Posted 04 November 2013 - 07:30 AM

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View PostHeh, on 03 November 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

Pretty much. You'll hit for nearly 100 per burst.

Can the J7W2 do the same thing (it has the same gun as the J7W3, and that gun is the prerequisite for the J7W3 anyway).

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View Postpyantoryng, on 04 November 2013 - 07:30 AM, said:

Can the J7W2 do the same thing (it has the same gun as the J7W3, and that gun is the prerequisite for the J7W3 anyway).

Yes, the J7W2 can do the same thing.
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Panzer_Leader_3 #12 Posted 04 November 2013 - 12:59 PM

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But the J7W3 has a better engine

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View PostPanzer_Leader_3, on 03 November 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

The J7W3. OBVIOUSLY.

View PostHeh, on 03 November 2013 - 08:48 PM, said:

Pretty much. You'll hit for nearly 100 per burst.

heck, i seems i'll grind the IJN line first at release..

 


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View PostJDMFreakz, on 04 November 2013 - 12:59 PM, said:

heck, i seems i'll grind the IJN line first at release..

Good luck trying to survive as a TnB paper mache aircraft in a BnZ world.
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pyantoryng #15 Posted 04 November 2013 - 01:28 PM

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Getting to J7W1 is a tough venture in itself...getting the basic 30mm with just the Type 99-2 is an even tougher venture.

But J7W series's derptastic damage and ease of use compared to MK 108 while not actually being a derp gun is more than fair enough a venture to undertake once you have a good footing...and for some reason the J7W can be rather profitable because of that derptastic damage. BTW, the J7W2 is even worse than a stock Yak-15 when it comes to speed - a reminder that a jet engine isn't the solution to all your problems.

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but that paper armor and horrible flight ceiling makes it a dream GA hunter that cant because of the aforementioned rice-paper armor.

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View PostHeh, on 04 November 2013 - 01:02 PM, said:

Good luck trying to survive as a TnB paper mache aircraft in a BnZ world.

no problemo, has been dealing with BnZ since 1st nov last year.

 


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View PostJDMFreakz, on 04 November 2013 - 06:10 PM, said:

no problemo, has been dealing with BnZ since 1st nov last year.

Maneuverobility+DerpGunz= BnZ AutoFail.

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pyantoryng #19 Posted 04 November 2013 - 08:47 PM

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I love it when BnZ swoop down to Boom but Zooms straight into terrain  :trollface:

...I get headache playing the 51H and Fury...seriously, I do.

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View Postpyantoryng, on 04 November 2013 - 08:47 PM, said:

I love it when BnZ swoop down to Boom but Zooms straight into terrain  :trollface:


especially when i managed to land a hit to them :trollface:

View PostPanzer_Leader_3, on 04 November 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

Maneuverobility+DerpGunz= BnZ AutoFail.

thats why i loved TnB with derpguns, Yak-9U + NS-45M is my ultimate tool :trollface:

 






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