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Xx_Lurid_xX #1 Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:28 PM

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Ive had my eye on the Japanese tree, tier X, when I asked what tier x aircraft do I want to fly with. It was about tier 3 I felt I needed to make a decision what my ace would be. My impression of the game at that time was ,get to tier x that's where the fun is and the game opens up. I knew going in by studying the tree it was going to be what I think is the hardest grind in the game. Paper airplanes with motors and guns. The aa damage boost has affected this tree a lot, also I am not whining don't mistake what im saying. I understand the reason why the tree is as it is. The Japanese were fierce and they believed in their pilots to be fierce therefore you just needed a gun on top of a motor wrapped in a shell and a pilot willing to die.
Also Japan had limited resources as a island nation. Its own people were its resource.
I hope that tier x is what im hoping it is because this tree has me very tired.Im doing it now so after the wipe I can avoid the hardship or go for the hidden diamond

PanzerXO #2 Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:36 PM

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Ask Shwedor; IIRC he had some pithy comments about the Japanese tree at Tier X...

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THX1138 #3 Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:55 PM

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I didn't care for any of the Japanese fighters after the A6M5. A7M was ok but they just lacked what I would have expected performance wise. I feel the same only that tier V seems to be were the real fun is at.

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From competing with a J7W3 in Closed Beta, any time It ever got behind me, all you could hope was someone would get behind him or ram him, other than that, I was always screwed. I consider it OP, but I still have to try it for myself.

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floydsox #5 Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:03 AM

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Ok.  J7W1 is a little sluggish but the guns tear up anyone.  The glory comes in when you get the J7W2.  Fast, turns great, guns overheat fast but its worth it when you actually hit the enemy.  J7W3 is more or less just like the W2, just faster.  I actually do better with the J7W2.  The biggest weakness of these planes are they are paper.  You have to be a good pilot and a good shot to stay alive.  Good Luck!


Xx_Lurid_xX #6 Posted 06 August 2013 - 12:06 AM

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That's what  I wanted to hear

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View Postfloydsox, on 06 August 2013 - 12:03 AM, said:

Ok.  J7W1 is a little sluggish but the guns tear up anyone.  The glory comes in when you get the J7W2.  Fast, turns great, guns overheat fast but its worth it when you actually hit the enemy.  J7W3 is more or less just like the W2, just faster.  I actually do better with the J7W2.  The biggest weakness of these planes are they are paper.  You have to be a good pilot and a good shot to stay alive.  Good Luck!

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Lenzabi #8 Posted 07 August 2013 - 06:22 AM

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I am sad that the Japanese tree is so limited compared to the others. Right now it feels like the Chinese tree in WoT

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View PostLenzabi, on 07 August 2013 - 06:22 AM, said:

I am sad that the Japanese tree is so limited compared to the others. Right now it feels like the Chinese tree in WoT

It's the most recent tree, what do you expect?
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Lenzabi #10 Posted 07 August 2013 - 12:46 PM

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View PostHeh, on 07 August 2013 - 11:01 AM, said:

It's the most recent tree, what do you expect?

Japanese GA and heavies? they did have them. I hope the part of the tree will be added when they get us the brits, seems that they considered the british heavy lines already.

shwedor #11 Posted 07 August 2013 - 09:38 PM

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The Japanese tree is garbage past tier 5, and even in tier 5 it is rather mediocre at best. Tier 4 is the only place the Japanese are competitive.
At high tiers, it is all about how your aircraft perform in the vertical game (with a few exceptions). A number of factors come into play which make the Japanese tree inferior to the competition.
1. They have a VERY short boost duration.
2. They bleed speed too quickly in any sort of turn which makes them essentially a floating target all of the time.
3. Their climb speed is mediocre and speed bleed in also high in climbs, which again makes them a floating target. The inability to follow planes in a climb gives the enemy planes the advantage of being able to choose when to engage.
4. Their guns typically overheat quickly and lack the rate of fire that the smaller 20mm's and MG-213/30mm's have while also lacking the hitting power of  the MK-103. The velocity of the Japanese 30mm's is higher than the Mk-108 and MG-213/30mm, but not as high as the 20mm guns and the MK-103 30mm.
5. They have far less hit points and less armor than the opposition.
The Japanese tree must be flown very defensively to be successful and high situational awareness is needed. Even the best pilots suffer in these planes though, they are just too bad.
My ratings for best planes by tier:
Tier 7:  1. ME609 --- 2. La-7 --- 3. F2G --- 4. P-51D --- 5. J4M1 --- 6. BF109G
Tier 8:  1. ME262 --- 2. F5U --- 3. ME209 --- 4. La-9 --- 5. J7W1 --- 6. P-51H
Tier 9:  1. F6U --- 2. ME109TL --- 3. FJ-1 --- 4. La-160 --- 5. ME1092 --- 6. J7W2
Tier 10: 1. La-15 --- 2. F-86 --- 3. J7W3 --- 4. ME1101 --- 5. F7U --- 6. ME262HG3

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Sarcoo #12 Posted 07 August 2013 - 11:59 PM

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Been grinding and super happy with the Zero line thus far. The A6M5 is a monster in the right hands. That being said the only plane i have a issue with is the F4F, somehow that plane is consistently out turning me. Not really sure how or why but it is.. Other then that most planes it can handle its own with as long as you know when to engage and when to gtfo.
Need to say a little bit sad about all the negative rep on the A7. I was looking really forward to it.. To each his own i guess. Still gonna have to try it out.

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JDMFreakz #13 Posted 08 August 2013 - 02:35 PM

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im only happy with A6M series on this tree, the rest is MEH.

 


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Why are they using the A6M1  and not the A6M2.
The A6M1 was a prototype that never saw combat.
It was the A6M2-11 with it's license built Hamilton Standard 3 bladed prop that saw action first in China when 15 of the pre production aircraft were sent to China.
This was followed by the A6M2-21 with it's folding wingtips, that was assigned to the IJN's carriers and saw action through out the Pacific from the beginning of WW2 till war's end in 1945.
Over 1,500 A6M2's were built.
The A6M line should have the A6M2, followed by the A6M3 and A6M5.
The last A6M variant was the M7 of which only 2 were built.

Edited by Pogo68, 04 September 2013 - 08:48 PM.

DICTA BOELCKE for WoWP
    1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking.
    2. Always continue with an attack you have begun
    3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights
    4. You should always try to keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses
    5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind
    6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try run away from his attack, but fly to meet it
    7. When over the enemy's lines, always remember your own line of retreat
    8. It is better to attack in groups of four or six. Avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent

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View PostPogo68, on 18 August 2013 - 07:15 PM, said:

Why are they using the A6M1  and not the A6M2.
The A6M1 was a prototype that never saw combat.
It was the A6M2-21 with it's license built Hamilton Standard 3 bladed prop that saw action first in China when 15 of the pre production aircraft were sent to China.
This was followed by the A6M2 that was assigned to the IJN's carriers and saw action through out the Pacific from the beginning of WW2 till war's end in 1945.
Over 1,500 A6M2's were built.

The A6M line should have the A6M2, followed by the A6M3 and A6M5.
The last A6M variant was the M7 of which only 2 were built.

The A6M2 is the elited version of the A6M1. The A6M3 is the stock version of the A6M5
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Pogo68 #16 Posted 19 August 2013 - 04:47 AM

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View PostHeh, on 18 August 2013 - 07:30 PM, said:

The A6M2 is the elited version of the A6M1. The A6M3 is the stock version of the A6M5
I've upgraded the A6M1 that I have.
Still reading as the A6M1, and the only engine upgrade seems to be the Mitsubishi built, Zuisei 14, an 850hp engine that was used by the M1 prototypes, not the 950hp Sakea of the A6M2

Edited by Pogo68, 19 August 2013 - 10:32 PM.

DICTA BOELCKE for WoWP
    1. Try to secure the upper hand before attacking.
    2. Always continue with an attack you have begun
    3. Open fire only at close range, and then only when the opponent is squarely in your sights
    4. You should always try to keep your eye on your opponent, and never let yourself be deceived by ruses
    5. In any type of attack, it is essential to assail your opponent from behind
    6. If your opponent dives on you, do not try run away from his attack, but fly to meet it
    7. When over the enemy's lines, always remember your own line of retreat
    8. It is better to attack in groups of four or six. Avoid two aircraft attacking the same opponent

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View PostPogo68, on 19 August 2013 - 04:47 AM, said:

I've upgraded the A6M1 that I have.
Still reading as the A6M1, and the only engine upgrade seems to be the Mitsubishi built, Zuisei 14, an 850hp engine that was used by the M1 prototypes, not the 950hp Sakea of the A6M2

Yeah, just wasted a bunch of XP -- still the same 'ol A6M1...

dhread #18 Posted 06 September 2013 - 11:50 PM

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I thought it *was* an A6M2 in closed beta?
Seems like I remember that.

Perhaps a game balance issue or it will come out in 1.0 release?

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I'm curious as to how the t7 plane fits in...it does not fit the pattern at all.

I concentrated on German planes in Alpha and CB, so this line is new to me.   Only up to tier 5 so far,  but I love the manueverability...but just looking at the stats that t7 is going to be a long tedious grind...makes me want to bail for something else.

Dreaming of better days.  When this game had full matches, fiery dogfights, and hope for the future.

 

 


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View PostHZero, on 11 September 2013 - 02:03 AM, said:

I'm curious as to how the t7 plane fits in...it does not fit the pattern at all.

I concentrated on German planes in Alpha and CB, so this line is new to me.   Only up to tier 5 so far,  but I love the manueverability...but just looking at the stats that t7 is going to be a long tedious grind...makes me want to bail for something else.

The J4M is NOT a turnfighter. Play it like a skorca.
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