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PanzerXO #1 Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:33 PM

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Going into a battle in a Tier V plane, and you get a Tier VII match.  Over the chat window, someone starts whining about MM being 'unfair'.  You know instantly that that guy has lost.  In his mind, he cannot win; so he won't.  A self-fulfilling prophesy.
Two questions arise:  
  • Is it you doing the whining?
  • If not, is the loser on your team?
If the answer to both is "no" you're in pretty good straits.  If yes to the second; you and the team have to pick up his slack, and whomever else he has demoralized.  If yes to the first: this post is for you.

Strategery.  Tacticalness.  Planz.

All have to change based on the situation.  Your plan should never be: fly the way the game points me until I see a plane then try to shoot it down.  If that's your current plan, reassess.

Being top tiered is not a key for success; it simply means you can survive more mistakes.  Your equipment can make up for you pulling a stupid.

Being bottom tiered is not a recipe for disaster; you simply must avoid or minimize mistakes, because your equipment cannot pick up the slack for poor decision making.

So, first off, what do you need to know?  Here's how I do it:
Situation

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Mission
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  • Going to climb to get altitude and linger over our base.  During this time I watch the minimap for where the enemy has most of its planes - I'm going the other way.  Need to stay near our blob and avoid theirs.  Priority targets include base sneaking mid-low tier bombers, and their escorts if any.  After that, I will go where we have a numeric advantage and assist in the swarm.
Execution
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  • When high tiered, I don't mind fighting the enemy up front, but this time I'm staying back, watching the map and flying high.

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Administration and Logistics


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Command and Control


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And what do you know... It worked.
TL;DR - change your tactics to be much more conservative and maximize your advantages (AA, Turning Ability, Situational Awareness) when low tiered.  Minimize mistakes; your equipment cannot cover for you making stoopid decisions.
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Edited by PanzerXO, 18 August 2013 - 09:59 PM.

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...By flying into the middle you are boldly stating that you are a noob and haven’t learned your lesson yet.
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Captain_F22ACE #2 Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:42 PM

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Very well thought out. I find myself doing these tactics a lot, esp. base defense. But what's really sad is I was the only guy left in a match against 2 HF and 3 LF. I was over my untouched base, and they had the points advantage. Well, I'm in a La-5 out flying these guys letting them get chewed up by the AA, and I managed to pull a win. So sad when guys just have to hunt down that last plane to win. :facepalm:

The_Dutch_Oven #3 Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:53 PM

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Sandman1969 #4 Posted 05 August 2013 - 08:14 PM

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I don't know if I'd call tier 5 "low tier".

When these threads come up, ppl talk about tier 5 as being the low tier.
How about one regarding the actual low tiers such as 1 through 4?

PanzerXO #5 Posted 05 August 2013 - 08:26 PM

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View PostSandman1969, on 05 August 2013 - 08:14 PM, said:

I don't know if I'd call tier 5 "low tier".

When these threads come up, ppl talk about tier 5 as being the low tier.
How about one regarding the actual low tiers such as 1 through 4?

This is about being "Low Tiered" in a match - Tier 2 in a Tier 4 match should follow the same guidelines.  Same as a Tier VIII in a Tier X match.

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...By flying into the middle you are boldly stating that you are a noob and haven’t learned your lesson yet.
ROSEBUD

venser #6 Posted 05 August 2013 - 10:41 PM

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When I am way on the bottom to the point where my guns have little to no effect on the higher tiered planes, I fly in a straight line to get planes to follow me. If they are at a distance, it will be harder for them to hit you and they will land less hits. Then your planes will get on their tails and get good hits on them. That is the method I use. Not good for xp, but helps get a win.
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MongGrel #7 Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:34 PM

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Yeah way too many just give up in those situations.
I've in many fights in two levels below and had more kills than the guys top of the tier.
Frig that little aniversarry plane I flew a couple nites ago and had two kills in two tier 5s we won, even had two kills in one we lost.
Annoying little gnats.
Yeah having half the team fly straight across their map right out of the box into the enemies AA is usually a recipe for a bad start.

Edited by MongGrel, 11 August 2013 - 06:16 PM.


MongGrel #8 Posted 05 August 2013 - 11:39 PM

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Good post BTW.

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iron_horse_thunderbolt #9 Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:15 AM

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I basically look at where my plane has advantages, and then exploit them to their fullest extent to the best of my ability. If I have better maneuverability, I use that. If I have heavier guns, I use them. Same with speed. I took down a Me 609 with an F4F Wildcat by cutting inside it's turn, and downed a P-51A with a P-39Q using the planes VERY heavy 37mm cannon by standing the Airacobra on it's nose, allowing the torque of the prop to twist me and used small taps of the rudder and elevators to adjust my pepper. I also took the fight into the vertical with my F2A Buffalo when fighting a A6M5 Zero. I forced him out in front of me by pulling into a climb, cut my speed, forced him in front of me, and BLASTED him with my twin .50s and twin 20mm cannons. I had my best day EVER by using my F4F's maneuverability and speed to keep my enemies at bay. I remember fighting an Me 110, a FW 57, an I-16 and one other fighter. Also fought an A7M with my Airacobra and blasted it with my cannon. The point here in saying all of this is basically to say THIS is what can happen when you use your advantages to your best ability, not to show off. When that fails, just refer to my signature, and remember, just fall back on the experience you picked up if needed. When you panic, you are vulnerable.
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PanzerXO #10 Posted 06 August 2013 - 01:59 AM

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View PostMongGrel, on 05 August 2013 - 11:39 PM, said:

Good post BTW.
Someone a Former Marine?
I remember learning SMEAC in boot camp in 1980  :izmena:
Yep.  Pounded into me as I lugged my 'Knowledge' around in an overly stuffed cargo pocket, boots unbloused and top-button buttoned with a freshly shaven head reflecting the sun into space...
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Edited by PanzerXO, 06 August 2013 - 02:34 AM.

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...By flying into the middle you are boldly stating that you are a noob and haven’t learned your lesson yet.
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DGShannon #11 Posted 07 August 2013 - 01:16 PM

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View Postiron_horse_thunderbolt, on 06 August 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

allowing the torque of the prop to twist me
Really? Never experienced this dynamic modeled in any of the planes.

_Lindy_ #12 Posted 07 August 2013 - 11:39 PM

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Me either I don't think

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iron_horse_thunderbolt #13 Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:13 AM

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Well, in real life it would be the torque twisting the plane, but it was on it's nose, it was twisted, and I was in a good position to fire. Could probably have been just how I had the mouse positioned in relation to the plane.
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rev01ution #14 Posted 08 August 2013 - 01:27 AM

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One of the best posts I've read in a while, gj

Traurig_Yoda #15 Posted 11 August 2013 - 06:23 PM

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View PostMongGrel, on 05 August 2013 - 11:34 PM, said:

Yeah way too many just give up in those situations.

More $$ more xp if you are killing higher levels, people should consider the gain and earn it instead of giving up in those situations. :)

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View Postiron_horse_thunderbolt, on 06 August 2013 - 01:15 AM, said:

I basically look at where my plane has advantages, and then exploit them to their fullest extent to the best of my ability. If I have better maneuverability, I use that. If I have heavier guns, I use them. Same with speed. I took down a Me 609 with an F4F Wildcat by cutting inside it's turn, and downed a P-51A with a P-39Q using the planes VERY heavy 37mm cannon by standing the Airacobra on it's nose, allowing the torque of the prop to twist me and used small taps of the rudder and elevators to adjust my pepper. I also took the fight into the vertical with my F2A Buffalo when fighting a A6M5 Zero. I forced him out in front of me by pulling into a climb, cut my speed, forced him in front of me, and BLASTED him with my twin .50s and twin 20mm cannons. I had my best day EVER by using my F4F's maneuverability and speed to keep my enemies at bay. I remember fighting an Me 110, a FW 57, an I-16 and one other fighter. Also fought an A7M with my Airacobra and blasted it with my cannon. The point here in saying all of this is basically to say THIS is what can happen when you use your advantages to your best ability, not to show off. When that fails, just refer to my signature, and remember, just fall back on the experience you picked up if needed. When you panic, you are vulnerable.

Exactly.  I'm more or less a complete noob, I sucked wind pretty hard for my first 20-25 matches, but now that I'm getting the hang of things I'm realizing a lot of that was just beginner's learning curve.  I'm just coming out of a match where I shot down a Me-410 and an Me-609 almost completely on my own in my I-16 (late), it was a bit of luck to be honest, but the point is that it's completely doable.  (Though the I-16 does hit pretty hard for it's tier which definitely made things easier than it might have been in another plane.)

That said, in general I find compared to WoT being lower tiered is much more forgiving... if you are prepared.  You really want to scan the enemy planes before the match and decide how you match up with the specific enemy configurations and whether or not there's anybody you want to avoid at all costs.

Other than this, you can almost always contribute to the team, even if most of the time you're just keeping faster planes in a turning dogfight that they can't safely break out of, this can set them up for a boom and zoom attack from a teammate's heavy.  Also, you can pick off the lower tiered planes while the higher tiers deal with the really dangerous enemies.

Like others have said, you just need to avoid pulling a Leroy Jenkins!  It can be a pretty fun role in the right plane.  It's a lot of fun to dance around in a biplane while the big "heavy" fighters blow right past you because they've hit their stall speed.
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View PostThe_Dutch_Oven, on 05 August 2013 - 07:53 PM, said:

This needs a pinning

agreed

JarethG #18 Posted 17 August 2013 - 02:34 PM

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Too much truth here.

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My  5 step to  Victory at lower tier
Buy I-16(e)
Surive the merge
Control the furball
Kill
Profit
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ALL new players (and a lot of older players) should read this.  Great post.




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