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Eleven_Hotel #1 Posted 04 August 2013 - 02:11 PM

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I know there were Japanese Army planes including some German copies by the end of the war. Is this being worked on?

icoleman #2 Posted 04 August 2013 - 05:20 PM

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You mean Imperial Japanese Navy, IJN.


And if you mean Germany copies by the Nakajima Kikka, that wasn't a German copied jet. The Japanese used a similar design, but in no ways did they copy the aircraft aircraft itself. Pretty sure it will be added into the game in the future, though.
 

1lt_wert #3 Posted 04 August 2013 - 06:55 PM

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The Japanese army had its own set of aircraft. They tended to be inferior to the Japanese carrier based aircraft. One reason for the Flying Tigers (AVG) success was because they faced the cruddy army planes instead of the superior navy planes.

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Eleven_Hotel #4 Posted 04 August 2013 - 08:18 PM

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If I remember correctly was a light fighter in the beginning (forgot the name), a copy of the Me-109 E7 was tested, The "George" N1K, the Me-110 was tested and they had diagrams of the Me-262.

OnboardG1 #5 Posted 04 August 2013 - 08:23 PM

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The Ki-61 was pretty well regarded as I recall. The IJAAS relied a on the Ki-43 for a lot of the war IIRC which somewhat handicapped their effectiveness (given that it was obsolete by 1943). There were some good planes in that series.

JDMFreakz #6 Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:16 AM

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you mean like the kikka, ki 200, ki 61, etc?

 


Triggerhappypilot #7 Posted 05 August 2013 - 01:47 PM

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There were quite a few Japanese Army planes. In general they got the short end of the (already short) stick in terms of plane developments. They did have the Ki-43 "Oscar", which could out-turn even the Zero (as well as outrun it), but were perhaps even more fragile and shittily armed. This concept was developed into the Ki-84 "Frank", which was a powerful and fast turn-fighter.
You're probably looking at a mid-tier progression something like this:
Tier 4: Ki-43
Tier 5: Ki-44 (or Ki-43 late models)
Tier 6: Ki-61 (or Ki-44, or N1K depending on Wargaming's thoughts on buffing)
Tier 7: Ki-84 (or N1K)
Tier 8: Ki-94-II (or an improved version of the Ki-84)
Beyond that, you'd have to look into the archives for protoypes and jets.

Edited by Triggerhappypilot, 05 August 2013 - 02:15 PM.


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Here's a book containing lots of possible additions to WoT. I honestly would love to see a Japanese heavy fighter/ground attack line in the future!

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KI-84 was IMNHO, a beast in the right hands..
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View PostSkyWolf__WM, on 06 August 2013 - 08:59 AM, said:

KI-84 was IMNHO, a beast in the right hands..

Indeed it was: http://www.wwiiaircr.../Ki-84-156A.pdf

Plus its hp/ton is beyond high, so it can outaccelerate anything in a straight line.
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A single IJA tree would be nice,

T2 Kawasaki Ki-10 Perry
T3 Nakajima Ki-27 Nate
T4 Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar
T5 Nakajima Ki-44 Tojo
T6 Kawasaki Ki-61 Tony (not a german design as so often stated, only the engine was of german design)
T7 split --------Kawasaki Ki-100 Tony (radial engine Tony)   and  Nakajima Ki-84 Frank  (these 2 are arguably the best Japanese Army fighters of WWII)
T8-10 ???? a lot of vapor planes to choose from.


I saw someone list the N1K George, it would be great to see that one but it was a Navy plane not an Army type.


 

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View Posthawkeyededic, on 08 August 2013 - 02:53 AM, said:

A single IJA tree would be nice,

T2 Kawasaki Ki-10 Perry
T3 Nakajima Ki-27 Nate
T4 Nakajima Ki-43 Oscar
T5 Nakajima Ki-44 Tojo
T6 Kawasaki Ki-61 Tony (not a german design as so often stated, only the engine was of german design)
T7 split --------Kawasaki Ki-100 Tony (radial engine Tony)   and  Nakajima Ki-84 Frank  (these 2 are arguably the best Japanese Army fighters of WWII)
T8-10 ???? a lot of vapor planes to choose from.


I saw someone list the N1K George, it would be great to see that one but it was a Navy plane not an Army type.

Don't forget, the IJA also used a lot of heavy fighters- the Ki-45 and the Ki-102 come to mind immediately, but there were more and certainly no shortage of prototypes.

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I know all trees currently start with a Tier 1 fighter, then split into their respective branches, but I always thought it would be interesting to have the IJN and IJA lines have a separate Tier 1 to show the inter-service rivalry when it came to procuring equipment...

eg: The current Type 91 would be the Tier 1 for the IJA line, while the A2N (Performance equivalent of the Boeing P-12, used design concepts from both it and the Bristol Bulldog) could be added to start the IJN line.

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but as stated the big five ( the main five allied nations will have 100 AC each)

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View PostJinxed_Katajainen, on 08 August 2013 - 03:46 PM, said:

I know all trees currently start with a Tier 1 fighter, then split into their respective branches, but I always thought it would be interesting to have the IJN and IJA lines have a separate Tier 1 to show the inter-service rivalry when it came to procuring equipment...

eg: The current Type 91 would be the Tier 1 for the IJA line, while the A2N (Performance equivalent of the Boeing P-12, used design concepts from both it and the Bristol Bulldog) could be added to start the IJN line.

We'd also have to switch the J7W1 and J7W2 to the IJA tree.
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View PostHeh, on 08 August 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

We'd also have to switch the J7W1 and J7W2 to the IJA tree.

Weren't they land based fighters of the Naval Air Service? The distinctions kind of get blurry, but I thought they were developed for the navy.

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View PostTriggerhappypilot, on 08 August 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Weren't they land based fighters of the Naval Air Service? The distinctions kind of get blurry, but I thought they were developed for the navy.

Ah, forgot that part. Still, what would we have as tier 9 and tier 10 IJN planes? The Kikka is considered a heavy fighter by WG standards.
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View PostHeh, on 08 August 2013 - 07:10 PM, said:

We'd also have to switch the J7W1 and J7W2 to the IJA tree.

View PostTriggerhappypilot, on 08 August 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Weren't they land based fighters of the Naval Air Service? The distinctions kind of get blurry, but I thought they were developed for the navy.

Yes, they're land based navy interceptors operated by navy pilots, the J7W1/2/3 would stay in the Naval fighters tree.
The distinction between the 'A' and 'J' planes is the former are carrier fighters and the latter are ground based fighters.

View PostHeh, on 08 August 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Ah, forgot that part. Still, what would we have as tier 9 and tier 10 IJN planes? The Kikka is considered a heavy fighter by WG standards.

The Kikka was originally developed as a kamikaze suicide plane... I can't imagine wasting the jet engines on a mission like that.
Thankfully some wiser minds decided to come up with a conversion to a fighter, although its performance is a bit lacking.. it'll be around Tier 6/7 levels.

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The Kikka was never designed as a kamikaze weapon, it was originally built as a light bomber. It was also IJN as I recall and I guess it would go in the heavy tree.

There are a few Japanese props that could go up to T8 in the IJA tree but I'm not sure about the top two tiers. Ki-201 maybe? I guess that would be a heavy fighter though.

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View PostTriggerhappypilot, on 08 August 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

Weren't they land based fighters of the Naval Air Service? The distinctions kind of get blurry, but I thought they were developed for the navy.

the ingame tree is "carrier based fighter" not "naval fighter"..

 





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