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Simon_Gunson #1 Posted 02 April 2013 - 01:45 AM

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I read in a thread on this forum since closed for discussion that the so called second Junkers Ju-390 RC+DA was infact a fallacy and the picture was allegedly a photo montage (produced it has been claimed elsewhere at a photo lab in Vienna)

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I can confirm that the Ju-390 aircraft marked RC+DA was in fact attached to LTS.290 and was involved in the ferrying of freight to Tunisia early 1943. The photo of RC+DA was in fact taken by a merchant Seaman Ron Whylie part of Operation TORCH convoy KMF-5 whilst under attack from German and Italian aircraft. Ron Whylie is retired to Mossman NSW Australia.

Confirmation of this is that RC+DA displays the white North Africa service fuselage band used up to May 1945 by LTS.290. LTS.290 used a number of early Ju.290 prototypes and Ju.90 aircraft to ferry supplies to Tunisia in the closing stages of of the North Africa campaign. No Ju-290 nor Ju-390 would have used this white band after May 1943.

It is not a photo montage at all. The reknown Ju-390 test pilot Hans Werner Lerche in his autobiography refers to RC+DA in his book and mentions it as the other Ju-390.

It's first test flight was well before 20 October 1943 which is asserted by authors Gunther & Ott. 20 October was in fact the date when the Allies intercepted a diplomatic signal to Tokyo giving a table of performance details for the Ju-390, which was so explicit that it was impossible for a program of test flights to have established all this in just the last ten days of october 1944. A USN Intelligence report in June 1945 asserts the Japanese already had full performance details for the Ju-390 by October 1943.

Simon_Gunson #2 Posted 03 April 2013 - 01:50 AM

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I would further add to the topic of RC+DA that my personal research suggests it was in fact the original V1 prototype and the "other" Ju-390 GH+UK is in fact the so called "V2" prototype.

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It is known that the V2 had a longer fuselage than the V1 and that the V1 was longitudinally unstable. Careful analysis of the pair side by side reveals that GH+UK has the longer fuselage. Also that the nose of RC+DA is longer and  also that the tail movement arm is shorter. RC+DA fits all the known descriptions of V1.



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Flug Haupt Pancherz advised British investigators after the war that only one Ju-390 prototype was flown, however archived correspondence uncovered by author Manfred Greihl reveals that Maj Hoffmann of RLM recommended to Erhard milch dispensing with further prototypes after V1 and moving to the production version ie A-series. Thus technically Pancherz may have been right whilst witholding that production aircraft also flew. On 28 June 1944 after the Emergency Fighter Programme halted Ju-390 production, Junkers was paid for completion of seven Ju-390 aircraft.

An exchange of posts on another website Twelve O'clock High some years ago refers to a six engined German aircraft 2.5 miles SW of Owl's Head Maine about 17/18 September 1944. Three drowned Luftwaffe airmen were recovered from Penobscot Estuary. Another member "Plouise" joined that discussion to reveal she had dived the aircraft wreck and had recovered a Junkers constructors plate. That would suggest that as of September 1944 there were three flying and possibly more.

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It is known that V1 was retired to dessau in November 1944 and stripped of propellers. It is known in February 1945 an Oblt Joachim Eisemann flew the "Ju-390 V-2" twice from Reichlin and transferred it to Laerz. The wreck off Owl's Head could not be either of these two making three.

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Simon_Gunson #3 Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:22 PM

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Another way to illustrate that there were more than one Ju-390 aircraft in existence (an issue often disputed) is to compare Ron Whylie's photo of RC+DA, with photos of GH+UK the demonstration flights to Hitler at Insterberg.

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Simon_Gunson #4 Posted 12 April 2013 - 11:39 PM

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I also referred to a Focke Wulf Fw200 Condor which made shuttle flights to Harbin Manchuria. These flights were from Petsamo, Finland to Harbin, a distance of about 3,400nm. The FW200K aircraft concerned was built in 1939 for a multi aircraft order from a Japanese airline firm Dai-Nippon KK, however the order was never delivered. At various times it wore the registration BS+AF and also NA+WM

The aircraft Werke.Nr.200 0001 was instead used by Kommando Rowehl, No.1 special squadron (staffel) Luftwaffe High Command on long rang reconnaissance flights. It was retrofitted with two extra large fuel tanks boosting range to 5000sm. It wore the civil registration D-ACWG and masqueraded as a Deutsch Lufthansa aircraft.

The Pilot for these missions to Manchuria was ObLt Wolfgang Nebel and the navigator was Flug Kapitan Vogel

stealth250 #5 Posted 13 April 2013 - 06:53 AM

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no four engined (in this case 6 engined) planes will ever be player controlled


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Heh #6 Posted 13 April 2013 - 02:01 PM

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View Poststealth250, on 13 April 2013 - 06:53 AM, said:

no four engined (in this case 6 engined) planes will ever be player controlled

And how is this relevant to the topic at hand? This section's only about posting plane info because it looks cool or is rather intriguing and unique or any other reason as long as the source and info is reliable, not implementing it in-game.
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OMG Heh you have had so many posts O_O

stealth250 #7 Posted 14 April 2013 - 01:11 AM

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View PostHeh, on 13 April 2013 - 02:01 PM, said:

And how is this relevant to the topic at hand? This section's only about posting plane info because it looks cool or is rather intriguing and unique or any other reason as long as the source and info is reliable, not implementing it in-game.
sorry., didn't read it lol


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Heh #8 Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:19 AM

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View Poststealth250, on 14 April 2013 - 01:11 AM, said:

sorry., didn't read it lol

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stealth250 #9 Posted 14 April 2013 - 10:20 AM

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View PostHeh, on 14 April 2013 - 10:19 AM, said:

Lots to learn, you have.
meh, it's too long and it is not about US planes


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DonDeibler #10 Posted 03 July 2013 - 02:51 PM

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I know this may be off topic.....but fascinating!   Is it possible that there were more than two prototypes?  Why would there be a coverup on the actual number built.  I remember reading that the number of He 219's is in considerable question....many being assembled from spares.




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